Egnater news

[guitarslinger]

I'm sure the new Mod 50 and 100's will sound as good as the old ones....It's all in the design...

and parts, and quality control.

 

[Roddy]

I'm sure the new Mod 50 and 100's will sound as good as the old ones....It's all in the design...

and parts, and quality control.

From what I understand, the boards on both the Randall and Egnater modules are made in the same factory in China...

 

[guitarslinger]

I'm sure the new Mod 50 and 100's will sound as good as the old ones....It's all in the design...

and parts, and quality control.

From what I understand, the boards on both the Randall and Egnater modules are made in the same factory in China...

I'm not saying you're wrong, but the boards look completely different, and I think Bruce was getting the USA Modular boards locally.

 

[Roddy]

I'm sure the new Mod 50 and 100's will sound as good as the old ones....It's all in the design...

and parts, and quality control.

From what I understand, the boards on both the Randall and Egnater modules are made in the same factory in China...

I'm not saying you're wrong, but the boards look completely different, and I think Bruce was getting the USA Modular boards locally.

Hi Gene...Yea, maybe so.....That makes sense....Well, trying to be optomistic, I hope the new stuff is as good as the USA amps/modules...Let's hope so

 

[black_wizards]

It simply can't be. If it was possible, MOD 50 would have been made in China from the beginning... and any product made in China would sound as good as US stuff.

 

[Mailman1971]

I know when I was working on my RM100....
the main board said "EGNATER MOD 100" on it.....

 

[Roddy]

It simply can't be. If it was possible, MOD 50 would have been made in China from the beginning... and any product made in China would sound as good as US stuff.

I have both Randall and Egnater modules, and their quality of tone and build seems to be about the same...I'm talking just about the modules, not the heads...and Randall did say on the MTS forum, that the boards were made and stuffed in China.....Does it really matter???? This is kind of the like the early pregidous mindset when Japanese cars were not as good as American...We know that isn't true...

 

[guitarslinger]

FWIW, someone in the knowe told me the service/warranty returns decreased drastically after they moved Randall module production to China.

Sooooo, that's a good sign.

 

[Resonant Alien]

I wonder - would the negative comments still be there if the "offshoring" (assuming it actually is being offshored) was going to Germany or Italy or the UK? Do some people feel strongly negative about "Made in China" because it's not made it America or because it is made in China? If it was being offshored to Germany, would some people still have the same negative reaction?

 

[Tom-Andrew]

It simply can't be. If it was possible, MOD 50 would have been made in China from the beginning... and any product made in China would sound as good as US stuff.

It simply can be.

What makes you think that a product built using the same parts, using the same techniques (let's see... soldering iron, solder, cable cutters and a couple of screwdrivers...) should be any inferior because it was put together in China compared to if it was put together in the allmighty US?!

It's all about scale and labour cost. Parts availability may be a consideration, plus a bigger operation means more focus on QA.
The MOD50 and the modular line as we know it are boutique items, probably not meant to be produced in scale, hence no reason to build it in China or anywhere else than in-house.

If the production is moved offshore there have to be considerations made if American made parts (e.g. Heyboer transformers) are to be shipped abroad or if local alternatives that live up to standards can be found. That may be a concern. I'm however confident that Bruce knows his stuff!

 

[black_wizards]

What makes you think that a product built using the same parts, using the same techniques (let's see... soldering iron, solder, cable cutters and a couple of screwdrivers...) should be any inferior because it was put together in China compared to if it was put together in the allmighty US?!

Oh yeah, in this case, I agree with you.

If the production is moved offshore there have to be considerations made if American made parts (e.g. Heyboer transformers) are to be shipped abroad

China is not Mexico. It costs money to ship. Plus, you have to ship the head back in the US...

In fact I agree with you if the exact same material is used. and if the quality control is great. I am not "against" China. The Asia production can be great if the quality aimed is great. I remember in the 90s, Jackson has to lower the quality of the Pro serie because it was so great than it wes nearly as good as the US line. On the other hand, when I compare an old Rocktron Intellifex with what they make today... the nowadays production looks "cheap".
A compagny has to make choices and I know Bruce will make the best decision for his business and for us, the consumers and fans.

the allmighty US

I am not American but it's true that overall, US built stuff has better reputation than china one. But this doesn't mean that I don't buy China stuff. It's a question of priority. I prefer a chinese DVD player and an US amp, not the contrary

But as I said, Bruce will take the best decision. He is a great man who know what is a "great guitar sound" so I am confident.

 

[Tom-Andrew]

What makes you think that a product built using the same parts, using the same techniques (let's see... soldering iron, solder, cable cutters and a couple of screwdrivers...) should be any inferior because it was put together in China compared to if it was put together in the allmighty US?!

Oh yeah, in this case, I agree with you.

If the production is moved offshore there have to be considerations made if American made parts (e.g. Heyboer transformers) are to be shipped abroad

China is not Mexico. It costs money to ship. Plus, you have to ship the head back in the US...

In fact I agree with you if the exact same material is used. and if the quality control is great. I am not "against" China. The Asia production can be great if the quality aimed is great. I remember in the 90s, Jackson has to lower the quality of the Pro serie because it was so great than it wes nearly as good as the US line. On the other hand, when I compare an old Rocktron Intellifex with what they make today... the nowadays production looks "cheap".
A compagny has to make choices and I know Bruce will make the best decision for his business and for us, the consumers and fans.

the allmighty US

I am not American but it's true that overall, US built stuff has better reputation than china one. But this doesn't mean that I don't buy China stuff. It's a question of priority. I prefer a chinese DVD player and an US amp, not the contrary

But as I said, Bruce will take the best decision. He is a great man who know what is a "great guitar sound" so I am confident.

Hey man, I'm with you all the way! I misinterpreted your post to sound like that same old song "if it ain't built in the US it ain't worth crap..."

I'm really eager to see what the modular series will develop into! Hopefully this move will give Bruce some extra time for R&D.

 

[MrFlexx]

This scares me a bit. I don't own any Egnater amps right now but I'm planning to buy one. Been all over the net and listened to the MOD 50 and all the other amps Egnater's product line. I think the sound of the boutique MOD50 sounds great, but I don't like the sound of the Tourmaster, Rebel and the other one's from China. So me thought is...will the MOD50 sound like the china one's when the production is moving or will it sound as good as it do now?

 

[marvcus]

This scares me a bit. I don't own any Egnater amps right now but I'm planning to buy one. Been all over the net and listened to the MOD 50 and all the other amps Egnater's product line. I think the sound of the boutique MOD50 sounds great, but I don't like the sound of the Tourmaster, Rebel and the other one's from China. So me thought is...will the MOD50 sound like the china one's when the production is moving or will it sound as good as it do now?

Bruce has not said -- at least not publicly -- that the manufacturing of the modular amps will be moved to China. Right now, that's just assumed because that's where the Egnater Guitar Center line of amps is made. No matter how probable it may be, it might be prudent to wait until we hear from the horse's mouth on where production will be.

Now, if production is moved to China, do I have my reservations? Absolutely.

I will also be interested to see what happens to warranty service/repair/modification of the USA "hand-built" line after this change.

 

[guitarslinger]

I wonder - would the negative comments still be there if the "offshoring" (assuming it actually is being offshored) was going to Germany or Italy or the UK?

no, because going to western Europe isn't cutting costs.

Going to China IS about cutting costs, and cost-cutting is like opening Pandora's box.

whether I'm wrong or right, I'm finicky like any customer. Call me a whiny, little bitch. Tell me how great China is. Show me how great their quality is on Wal mart TV's. I don't care.

It won't be the same.


I just hope I'm totally wrong.

 

[MrFlexx]

I wonder - would the negative comments still be there if the "offshoring" (assuming it actually is being offshored) was going to Germany or Italy or the UK?

no, because going to western Europe isn't cutting costs.

Going to China IS about cutting costs, and cost-cutting is like opening Pandora's box.

That's exactly what I'm thinking too. That maybe they'll be using lower quality components Hope not

 

[mboogman]

This scares me a bit. I don't own any Egnater amps right now but I'm planning to buy one. Been all over the net and listened to the MOD 50 and all the other amps Egnater's product line. I think the sound of the boutique MOD50 sounds great, but I don't like the sound of the Tourmaster, Rebel and the other one's from China. So me thought is...will the MOD50 sound like the china one's when the production is moving or will it sound as good as it do now?

Bruce has not said -- at least not publicly -- that the manufacturing of the modular amps will be moved to China. Right now, that's just assumed because that's where the Egnater Guitar Center line of amps is made. No matter how probable it may be, it might be prudent to wait until we hear from the horse's mouth on where production will be.

Now, if production is moved to China, do I have my reservations? Absolutely.

I will also be interested to see what happens to warranty service/repair/modification of the USA "hand-built" line after this change.

+1

Bruce did not say China. Here's the reason why; posted at the MTS forum...

I did not say China because there are possible US manufacturers that I am talking to. How about Mexico? Fender uses them? Marshall is made in England and are still probably the largest selling amp in the US.
Deizel, ENGL are made in Germany? Would that be OK? Malaysia? Japan? Vietnam (Ampeg?). I can name a dozen very good brands of guitar amps that are not made in the US but we still love them and buy them. My original post was not intented to instantly become a political or China bashing discussion. What would happen if Randall were to be made ouside the US. Would we see the same reactions?

http://mtsforum.grailtone.com/viewtopic ... c&start=15

 

[MrFlexx]

ok...I see a point here...but then again I wouldn't buy a Mexico strat, I don't like either Ampeg nor Randall. England and Germany has prove that they can make great amps. So if the production moved to Germany or England I would feel safe

 

[Bucksears]

ok...I see a point here...but then again I wouldn't buy a Mexico strat, I don't like either Ampeg nor Randall. England and Germany has prove that they can make great amps. So if the production moved to Germany or England I would feel safe

Funny thing is, my MIM Tele from '93 (probably the first year in Mexico) has a beautiful flame on the back of the neck, and it was $309 when I bought it. MUCH nicer guitar than the MIM Fender stuff I've tried lately.

I'm just hoping for a PROJECTED ETA - if it's not going to be until next year, my GAS will subside a little for now.

 

[MrFlexx]

ok...I see a point here...but then again I wouldn't buy a Mexico strat, I don't like either Ampeg nor Randall. England and Germany has prove that they can make great amps. So if the production moved to Germany or England I would feel safe

Funny thing is, my MIM Tele from '93 (probably the first year in Mexico) has a beautiful flame on the back of the neck, and it was $309 when I bought it. MUCH nicer guitar than the MIM Fender stuff I've tried lately.

I'm just hoping for a PROJECTED ETA - if it's not going to be until next year, my GAS will subside a little for now.

Not saying all the Mexico Fender's bad. Fact is the best Fender I've ever tryed was a Mexico Strat in -93 But overall I'm not a fan of the Mexico one's