FORTIN's Evil Pumpkin – Made in China?

[guitarbilly74]

The one attorney from the US who handles IP/Copyright/Trademark issues already made me aware, that I'd have to consider to pay somewhat of 8,000 to 12,000 US$ up front altogether, to get the entire res through the court including his costs and the costs for the required expert's reports.

You're being conned out of 8-12k by this lawyer. Do yourself a favor and at the very least consult with a few other attorneys.

I don't have a dog in this fight but don't like to see people being taken by lawyers like this.

 

[crankyrayhanky]

The one attorney from the US who handles IP/Copyright/Trademark issues already made me aware, that I'd have to consider to pay somewhat of 8,000 to 12,000 US$ up front altogether, to get the entire res through the court including his costs and the costs for the required expert's reports.

You're being conned out of 8-12k by this lawyer. Do yourself a favor and at the very least consult with a few other attorneys.

I don't have a dog in this fight but don't like to see people being taken by lawyers like this.

seems like this^
No patents but this lawyer said not to worry, pay him 12k and we can win baby!
Sounds risky to me but my legal background/knowledge only includes 4 seasons of Better Call Saul.

On another note, why would Larry give 50 detailed pics of his special amp to anyone?

 

[Ry Manchu]

Larry would do best by having Uli Behringer of TC Electronics and Elan of Elan Amps file to be the primary plaintiffs. (Oh the irony of Uli Behringer suing someone for ripping off a design is hilarious) The courts are going to look at two things. First, why did it take Larry 12 years to file a claim against Mike Fortin. The second and most important, even if Larry had patented aspects of his circuit in 1992 when he first began production, that patent would have lapsed in 2007. Since Larry has never taken steps to patent his circuit or to enforce said patent, he doesn't have much of a lawsuit. But, at least Larry can spend $10,000 on legal motions to force Mike Fortin to spend $10,000 on legal replies.

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

With a commercial/business license and business ID, Intellectual property rights have to be followed. Joe Shmoe in his/her basement can’t claim it as it has to be for commercial basis only from what I understand. IP is something that as an engineer I have to protect within my employer and externally as well. Stolen IP is grounds for a lawsuit and punishment if you’re infringements warrant review by the IP owner.

Of corse I do have all you've mentioned. Business license, business ID, Custom's ID, tax number, permission of the government to hand or industrial build & sell electronic gear, since I don't have a high school degree as an EE - what else is required?

Sounds like Larry isn’t going to persue a lawsuit so why stir the pot? Put your money where your mouth is otherwise you too can be sued for defamation.

You're definitely mistaken

Go get em Larry

What I've definitely decided now.

Just got off the phone with that attorney and it looks very very successfully for me with sueing MF
He once again confirmed, that a patent or only a pending patent isn't required, since IP is protected by law.
We spoke about the proofs I already have and he confirmed, that the amps in real aren't required, if the photos are detailled enough - and they are
And...
... he still has had a terrific idea, or rather suggestion:

If there are some more amp or pedal builder around, who feel ripped of MF and who do have enough proof, then they can jump onto the same train against MF
If then we'd go side by side against MF, this would save some costs (if there's a risk at all) for each AND would increase the burdon of proof agains MF

Hello out there - is there someone, who also has been ripped of his IP and who has the balls, to step in for a collective lawsuit?

If so, then please email me.

From what I’ve heard..Mr Steavens (Poundcake) and Mr Elan (Metalhead) should consider participating.

Yup

 

[LP Freak]

Once you speak to an attorney isn’t the first thing they tell you is to not discuss this with anyone?

 

[novosibir]

Once you speak to an attorney isn’t the first thing they tell you is to not discuss this with anyone?

That's exactly what he told me and btw. the reason, why I don't post anymore in this concern

 

[maddnotez]

Once you speak to an attorney isn’t the first thing they tell you is to not discuss this with anyone?

That's exactly what he told me and btw. the reason, why I don't post anymore in this concern

But we need this to hit 10 pages.

 

[guitarbilly74]

Once you speak to an attorney isn’t the first thing they tell you is to not discuss this with anyone?

That's exactly what he told me and btw. the reason, why I don't post anymore in this concern

since this morning?

did your US lawyer did minimal research on the defendant to see that Fortin is based in Canada so he can't even file it on US court?


Again, this lawyer is BS'ing you. Just saying what you want to hear to take your money. You don't really have a case. But anyway, I am not going to argue you out of throwing your own money away. Just don't say you haven't been warned when you come back complaining you were ripped off by 2 people (Fortin and the lawyer).

 

[311splawndude]

This is what it boils down to. Patents are the mechanism...

(lots of good stuff in the middle)

... the vacuum created by not having a patent creates a lot of challenges for Larry. Even with a patent, years of neglect enforcing it can be enough to forfeit its protection. This seems like it was only ever about getting people riled up about Fortin. There’s no other play here.

/thread

Once you speak to an attorney isn’t the first thing they tell you is to not discuss this with anyone?

That's exactly what he told me and btw. the reason, why I don't post anymore in this concern

But we need this to hit 10 pages.

Wait no. Keep it going

 

[japetus]

Larry would do best by having Uli Behringer of TC Electronics and Elan of Elan Amps file to be the primary plaintiffs. (Oh the irony of Uli Behringer suing someone for ripping off a design is hilarious) The courts are going to look at two things. First, why did it take Larry 12 years to file a claim against Mike Fortin. The second and most important, even if Larry had patented aspects of his circuit in 1992 when he first began production, that patent would have lapsed in 2007. Since Larry has never taken steps to patent his circuit or to enforce said patent, he doesn't have much of a lawsuit. But, at least Larry can spend $10,000 on legal motions to force Mike Fortin to spend $10,000 on legal replies.

If I bought an amp that you designed and sold to me with your hand in 2007, then started an amp company a year later with an amp nearly identical to your design and sold those designs as my own even to other companies, would you be upset?

 

[ZEEGLER]

Larry would do best by having Uli Behringer of TC Electronics and Elan of Elan Amps file to be the primary plaintiffs. (Oh the irony of Uli Behringer suing someone for ripping off a design is hilarious) The courts are going to look at two things. First, why did it take Larry 12 years to file a claim against Mike Fortin. The second and most important, even if Larry had patented aspects of his circuit in 1992 when he first began production, that patent would have lapsed in 2007. Since Larry has never taken steps to patent his circuit or to enforce said patent, he doesn't have much of a lawsuit. But, at least Larry can spend $10,000 on legal motions to force Mike Fortin to spend $10,000 on legal replies.

If I bought an amp that you designed and sold to me with your hand in 2007, then started an amp company a year later with an amp nearly identical to your design and sold those designs as my own even to other companies, would you be upset?

Being upset doesn't win a court case or make any difference at all in the end. Real life sucks, and if you don't have the foresight to protect yourself, the world's not going to take pity on you. Better to move on and enjoy your life.

Or not.

 

[lester]

Fortin has found a niche in offering things that are more or less unavailable.

It's pretty simple again Larry...deliver some amps.
A year and a half to three years wait...gtfo.
Along with that 2 grand you stole from Stevek try cramming up your ass some of them NOS Tungsram's you're hoarding too.
Fucking two years wait while he's dickin around with cat mourning, sleeping in, forums, lawyers and who knows what else.
Billy, don't try to help him from blowing his cash on attorneys. It seems just about right.

 

[Mklane]

Surely the court of Rig-Talk will hold clout in a real courtroom right! I mean we have Ozz, Paulyc, jimmyrez and at least two others that were wronged by Fortins thin tone! Call all to the witness stand, we shall burn him at the stake! Seriously though good luck to Larry he's gonna need it. All this back and forth made me curious though and I grabbed a Satan120 for cheap this morning so maybe I'll be as pissed as these five dudes next week.

 

[errrrrl]

I had a Krull video game cartridge for my Atari 2600.

It sucked a big fat rod.

Hahaha... I remember the first time playing Combat on a 2600... man that was the shit For me though, hands down the best game to come from the Atari 2600 was Pitfall!

 

[Racerxrated]

Fortin has found a niche in offering things that are more or less unavailable.

It's pretty simple again Larry...deliver some amps.
A year and a half to three years wait...gtfo.
Along with that 2 grand you stole from Stevek try cramming up your ass some of them NOS Tungsram's you're hoarding too.
Fucking two years wait while he's dickin around with cat mourning, sleeping in, forums, lawyers and who knows what else.
Billy, don't try to help him from blowing his cash on attorneys. It seems just about right.

Oh look, a buddy of 'Krull'....from the OT. Figures. Nice classy move there, bringing up the Steve K thing which has NOTHING to do with Fortin stealing designs for his 'original' circuits. Nice distraction.

I'll go slow so you MAYBE understand..

It has nothing to do with a wait time. No Fortin Fanboi is waiting in line for a Larry amp. Larry has enough customers, hence the 2 yr wait. No one says, "hey, instead of waiting in line for 2 yrs for a Larry I'll just buy a Fortin!" Why? Because no one knew until now(most people at least) that Fortin stole not only Larry's circuits, but Steavens, Elan, and numerous pedals as has already been mentioned. Fortin buyers aren't buying a Larry, and Larry buyers aren't buying a Fortin. Larry has all the customers he needs.

Nothing to do with delivering amps. Nothing. Get it?

I'll say it again...Larry is pissed because his circuits were blatantly copied, and produced as Fortin' OWN ORIGINAL CIRCUITS which is an outright fucking lie.
If you're ok with that that's your prerogative. Many others are not ok with this. Fortin is nothing more than a paint by numbers guy...NOTHING he has produced is original, every damn thing he sells is someone else's stolen circuit. He's a thief plain and simple.

Fortin has found a niche all right..a niche of the most blatant circuit thievery in recent history. Claiming every one as his. Thief and a liar.

Interesting and fitting that certain peeps here are ok with this. Looking at some of your posts here and elsewhere, I'm not surprised.

 

[novosibir]

Patents are the mechanism by which you declare originality and exclusivity. It's the accepted way by which you establish that others can't reproduce your ideas.

Are you an attorney, who handles IP/Copyright/Trademark issues?
As you've describet might be the usual way, but obviously there's still another way, otherwise I wouldn't have heard different of someone with this particular specialty.

What portions of a given amp are “special”? The tone stack? The input buffer? The control layout? Filtering?

None of these and they anyway are state of the art. But these:
https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2286191#p2286191

If Larry has any aspirations to pursue this outside a message board, he wouldn’t be talking about it openly

What I don't do anymore like I've been told from another side, after he's read my posts in this topic this morning.
Except it isn't specific towards a successful lawsuit.

You're being conned out of 8-12k by this lawyer. Do yourself a favor and at the very least consult with a few other attorneys.

I haven't been shocked and to be honest, I've even expected more, since we've spoken about a situation, where the court enactes that at least a NATAS and a DINO in real have to be re-engineered, documented and compared to each other by of the court retained tech experts, what already causes huge costs.

did your US lawyer did minimal research on the defendant to see that Fortin is based in Canada so he can't even file it on US court?

And what if it's a large partnership with partner offices in Canada?

 

[311splawndude]

So Mike didn't exactly break the law. But he uses unethical marketing practices by claiming electrical designs as his own creative work?

Kind of like Billy Blades, except that Billy straight up told everyone he copied others and then bragged about it

 

[guitarbilly74]

I haven't been shocked and to be honest, I've even expected more, since we've spoken about a situation, where the court enactes that at least a NATAS and a DINO in real have to be re-engineered, documented and compared to each other by of the court retained tech experts, what already causes huge costs.

Yep. Exactly. A real IP case costs a lot more than $8k. Like 10x more at the very least. Is this not a red flag to you?

But ok man. I've tried. Good luck.

 

[novosibir]

So Mike didn't exactly break the law.

He did, definitely!

Kind of like Billy Blades, except that Billy straight up told everyone he copied others and then bragged about it

1st he seems to be an upright guy, since he doesn't hide, that he's copied his circuits elsewhere.
2nd it's not comparable, since he never has copied anything unique.

 

[novosibir]

ok man. I've tried. Good luck.

Thank you!

And also thank you for your effort you've had for your previous (big) post. This was very appreciated.
Nonetheless opinions are different, hence I've already decided, to go my way as I've already said.