FORTIN's Evil Pumpkin – Made in China?

[Racerxrated]

Can not compute. Can not compute. .

Well at least you got that right.

Oh so clever. ?

Really this Larry amp fiasco is old as fuck news since 2009. He was also complaining about how is amp sounded like ? when they had that amp fest with Mike Fortin. But guess which amp sounded the best? It was the Natas. Like I said, can not compute.

https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=56786&hilit=Larry&start=150

Yet, Larry still has a 2 yr wait with no shortage of guys lining up for his work. You mention the ‘Fortin’ amp fest...hmmm...wonder why the Larry sounded bad?
Hmmmm...

As I’ve said before, I know 2 RTers who have first hand knowledge of the ‘blueprinting’ of Larry’s circuits.
Cool with you that he copied someone else’s work?
Cool.

But many here don’t think it’s very cool at all, since Fortin’s WHOLE BUSINESS was based on cloning others work.

 

[novosibir]

Really this Larry amp fiasco is old as fuck news since 2009. He was also complaining about how is amp sounded like ? when they had that amp fest with Mike Fortin. But guess which amp sounded the best? It was the Natas. Like I said, can not compute.

https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=56786&hilit=Larry&start=150

It has happened meanwhily way more than 10 times, that I could hear the real voice behind the mask of Krull.

Here again it's more than obvious, who's speaking through the string puppet Krull (Have you already been paid for this?)

And since now I know definitely, which coward is speaking through Krull's mask, finally I can say it now directly into your face:

When an alleged new star on amp builders heaven is going to introduce his 3 new amp models among a lot of people and also via YouTube through the web...
... and when he's bringing along also his Larry DINO to the mentioned amp fest for comparasion...

... then it would be extremely awkward and piteous for the 'new star', if the brought along DINO would surpass all his amps

So what to do, that this by any means never will happen?

And who knows better than an amp designer "how and what to do" in the circuit of the DINO before?

 

[novosibir]

https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=665962#p665962

That's something, what I absolutely can't imagine and I don't have any 'concrete' idea for a possible reason, because what I've heard yet from studio techs and the mixing console guys on several tours almost always has been quite the opposite. Either they said, that the DINO is the best, or is one of the best amps, they've ever had under the microphone. And I've spent myself altogether at least about 150-200 hours in several studios while the developing phase(s) of the DINO and during the recording of some bands, to not only get it sound right, but to get it also sound right under the microphone.

Unfortunately I wasn't around and couldn't hear it myself. But can you please ask Mike, whether he maybe has changed something in the amp's circuit after his liking or by experimenting with the amp - or/and whether he maybe has pulled the orig. NOS tubes and has swapped in something different - or/and maybe he even has removed the orig. OT, to have it re-engineered and has swapped in another one temporarily?

I don't have any other idea, why this has happened as you said, because I know, that the DINO at least is one of the best amps under the microphone. If it's different, then all the other studio techs before must have been fools

Larry

 

[novosibir]

https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=665995#p665995

Maybe Mike can chime in and express some clarifying words?
I've emailed him a few days ago, but he didn't reply yet. Maybe he's been too busy just before the Ampfest?

But I have to take some sleep now, already 8:00am here in Germany
See ya, hear ya tomorrow

Larry

 

[novosibir]

https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=666360#p666360

i think the dino and hulk dominated from the soundclips...

Yes, the Hulk discloses an interesting sound!
Is this the rebuilt JCM800 with the "Grind & Girth" controls?
What might be ~pretty similar~ to the "Bite & Punch" controls of a DINO?

Can we simplify this to: "Great minds think alike"? Or...
... just thinking a bit louder as usual

Larry

 

[novosibir]

https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=666704#p666704

Meanwhile I've listened to all the clips several times again & again.
And the funny thing is, if the clips wouldn't be titled, like a guesswork, then I'd choosen the Hulk Mod as for my DINO amp.
This clip at least is sounding closest to that, what's a DINO sounding like in reality - like one of the DINO's five voices.
Not spot-on, but damn close.

And I assume, that with the Hulk mod not the Mills cab was used, but a Marshall cab?
Moreover I'm sure, that it's 'not only' the Grind & Girth controls, what makes this amp sound like it sounds
Who can clarify? Mike! Can you give us some insight?

Larry

 

[novosibir]

https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=667358#p667358

i think the dino and hulk dominated from the soundclips...

Yes, the Hulk discloses an interesting sound!
Is this the rebuilt JCM800 with the "Grind & Girth" controls?
What might be ~pretty similar~ to the "Bite & Punch" controls of a DINO?

Can we simplify this to: "Great minds think alike"? Or...
... just thinking a bit louder as usual

Thanks for the kind words Larry
I have a lot of respect for you as a builder and I think you're one of the top amp manufacturers out there.

Just a simple application of technology and nothing for me to take credit for.
To be specific, the Hulk mod Girth and Grind are connect like Page 6 of the link below, Garnet Gnome G15T, but with different values. The controls located between V1 and V2.
http://www.el34world.com/charts/Schematics/Garnet.pdf

That's a simple T-type tone control with fixed mids, just drawn a bit different here than usual.
This circuit is way different to the Bite & Punch circuit in the DINO, what actually are two different filter types for British HotRod and Scream.

If you've really realized a dino-like grind and tightness in the Hulk mod's sound appearance with the Garnet type filter, then my respectful compliment!

But first raise up your right hand, put your left hand on top of the bible and...

Meanwhile I've listened to all the clips several times again & again.
And the funny thing is, if the clips wouldn't be titled, like a guesswork, then I'd choosen the Hulk Mod as for my DINO amp.
This clip at least is sounding closest to that, what's a DINO sounding like in reality - like one of the DINO's five voices.
Not spot-on, but damn close.

And I assume, that with the Hulk mod not the Mills cab was used, but a Marshall cab?
Moreover I'm sure, that it's 'not only' the Grind & Girth controls, what makes this amp sound like it sounds
Who can clarify? Mike! Can you give us some insight?

Thank you so much for the kind words Larry
To have you think that the Hulk mod sounds good enough to mistake it for one of your creations is just one of the highest compliments I've received in a long time. Like I've said before, I hold you as well as other builders like Fryette, Steavens, and Andy Marshall in such high regards that getting a positive feedback like this is greatly appreciated

As I've already said above, if you really got this result with the Garnet style pre-filter, then I give you my compliments with pleasure! But as I've also already said - first the bible - or shoot me a HiQ guts shot

But you've mentioned Andy Marshall, what gave me the catchword and reminded me to situations at Musikmesse Frankfurt in 1998, where I've been with my DINO. There a few times every day Andy Marshall came along with a guitar in his hand, settled down and played always for about 10-15 minutes through the DINO, he liked its sound very much and always said things like i.e.: "Unbelievable, that a razor blade looking amp has such a tone, such a warmth!" Though he almost always has used the California channel in SRV-Texas mode or the British channel in crunch mode. These were highest compliments for me at that time

In a previous post, I already went over the Girth and Grind controls. The preamp circuit is a 4 gain stage design based on a previous Meathead channel 5 and 6 circuit revision. It's an '83 JCM800 2203 that already sounded excellent before I touched it then add Dave's magic H30 loaded Marshall cabs, I think that is what gave it is tone on the recording. You could plug a Gorilla amp through Dave's speakers and it would sound good

The cab is adding its part to the overall sound of course, but the honor mostly belongs to the amp IMO

Larry

 

[novosibir]

Ok Mike, are there still some words of defence from your side?
If so, then put it in here through your string puppet - or still better do it by yourself!

 

[panhead]

The Hulk mod you say. Very interesting

 

[311splawndude]

Just when I thought we had all the information

 

[311splawndude]

15,000 views


She's only 17.....17.

 

[MrDowntown]

15,000 views


She's only 17.....17.

...i love that song. Reb was a BEAST.
at nearly 50 y.o....should i still be playing it. it gives me pause.

 

[novosibir]

15,000 views

Easy explained.

Type into google search: "Fortin Evil Pumpkin" then you'll see, that the link to this topic shows up on page #1

So many people interested in ordering an EP first will read this topic - and then maybe they decide once again?

Mike can send a truck loaded with thank you to engage, because if he would have been some more ~polite~ to others in the other topics, no battle would have occured, what finally has lead to that they've been locked - and what was the reason, why I've started this topic at all. Hmm... shit happens

 

[vultures]

15,000 views


She's only 17.....17.

...i love that song. Reb was a BEAST.
at nearly 50 y.o....should i still be playing it. it gives me pause.

The dude's still got it too. Wish I could play half as good as he can

 

[novosibir]

The dude's still got it too. Wish I could play half as good as he can

I second this

 

[crankyrayhanky]

lol nobody is hesitating to buy the Evil Pumpkin based on these threads
"I'm totally going for this Fortin amp...wait a minute- there's internet patent accusations based on not a patent but a violation of gentlemanly agreements of 50 pages of shared details of a life's work assuming that he wouldn't borrow any ideas?! Forget it, I'm going to shop around elsewhere, like a nice 5150/SLO Recto/Plexi/Bassman type that is unique unto itself"

 

[novosibir]

Forget it, I'm going to shop around elsewhere...

I'm not sure whether this is directed to me?

But if, then you even must shop elsewhere, since I do have order stop meanwhile at least until Sept this year.

 

[311splawndude]

Even my own cats are confused?

 

[novosibir]

Larry is so confused.

... will stay the unfilfilled dream of a pathetic brain

My brain however is more clear than ever, my plans more concrete than ever and nothing can stop anymore, what I've already started.

Somebody will need a warm jacket soon, even in summer

 

[novosibir]

Your head is more clear than ever? That explains why you think I am Mike Fortin or his lackey?

Nice try, string puppet

I've had altogether 360 emails with him back & forth, whereas about 2/3 of it were emails from him to me.

There's barely still another one who knows better, how he's writing