novosibir
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If your world territority is limited to the USA then you're right, although...311splawndude":3fk7jvav said:
... my world is slightly bigger
... my world is slightly bigger
psychodave
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Krull is not Mike Fortin.
MrDowntown
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...he's really BBlades...
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hstlaurent
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That’s a good one.MrDowntown":zn5yd1ui said:...he's really BBlades...
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Mklane
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Whoa! Now there's two Mike Fortins AND two Larrys, this shit is getting crazy!
311splawndude
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I know. Your world is slightly bigger and more important than mine.novosibir":602w4rp9 said:If your world territority is limited to the USA then you're right, although...311splawndude":602w4rp9 said:
... my world is slightly bigger
You are a better person too.
novosibir
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Bigger than just the USA by any means, since Russia/Siberia is my second homeland.311splawndude":4sv6r6rc said:I know. Your world is slightly bigger and more important than mine.
If you think so, thank you for your upright opinion.311splawndude":4sv6r6rc said:
JTyson
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Thunkful":2asarkly said:
Sorry, but the Larry sounds like shit in that clip... I would take that off the internet. Half of it is the guy playing, but the other half does not sound half as good as the pumpkin in a room full of noise no less. Maybe the guy does not know how to dial an amp in, I would be stunned if the Larry did not do any better than that after 23 pages of talk about them being better than anything else out there, is there a better clip anywhere to reverse the damage that clip has done? Maybe REZA will put up a proper clip, he can actually play, and he knows how to dial an amp
Carry on
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Racerxrated
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JTyson":3szc72lo said:Thunkful":3szc72lo said:
Sorry, but the Larry sounds like shit in that clip... I would take that off the internet. Half of it is the guy playing, but the other half does not sound half as good as the pumpkin in a room full of noise no less. Maybe the guy does not know how to dial an amp in, I would be stunned if the Larry did not do any better than that after 23 pages of talk about them being better than anything else out there, is there a better clip anywhere to reverse the damage that clip has done? Maybe REZA will put up a proper clip, he can actually play, and he knows how to dial an amp
Carry on
You really think that blumkin clip sounds better??? OMG. Now, that Larry clip sounds bad too but its clearly better that that horseshit NAMM thing. Good god that NAMM vid sounds like Charvel Dan at his best. And that's pretty bad. Clearly the common denominator is the player, he needs some work that's for sure.
Here's one thing I know...
Clips are shit. Period. A good player can make a 20 dollar Gorilla special sound like GOD. And a shit player makes the 3K flavor of the week sound like ASS.
Hey ever hear that great SLO clip? Crickets.
How about the amazing Wizard clip? More crickets.
Wait wait what about that 2C+ clip??? Yeah that sounds just like my Mark III. Haha sure man.
Point is, maybe those amps aren't for everybody BUT many feel they are amazing and are one of a kind, Iconic amps. Oh yeah, and they cost between 3-6K depending on the model, or if you order a new custom Wizard with KT88s that will cost nearly 6K with taxes customs etc.
Clips don't ever reflect or even come close to demonstrating what the power section does to the tone/push the amp has.
Like I said, clips are shit. None of the amps I mentioned has had any decent clips over the years, yet they are very desirable and well respected.
I mean, how ever did they sell these amps without clips??????
Mike Soldano, Rick St Pierre and Larry don't seem to have a problem selling amps, yet their amps don't have much out there for clips.
Like I said, who cares about clips. Clips are shit anyway.
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Racerxrated
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How about a 'good' clip of those amps? Sorry but those don't impress me, they just sound ok. Nothing in those clips reflect how those amps are in the room. They don't sound bad, they don't sound good. Just ok. Which is my point exactly.Krull":d6ivd7nq said:
When I decided to take the plunge on all 3, I did so based on what guys here on RT and other forums said about them. Those were the only things I went off of. I also knew if I didn't jive with them, I could move them fairly quick. Sure, I listened to clips of them but as I said, none of the clips did much for me. Really, the only amp that usually provides great clips is a good modded Marshall. Other amps seem to sound bland.
Reza did better clips of all of those but again, you don't get any hint of what the power section does to any amp, in a simple clip no matter how well its recorded. Like Psychodave said previously, power sections matter. No clip will ever reflect that.
Clips are pointless in most cases. Opinions from guys who have owned or currently own, matter most IMO.
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Racerxrated
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Krull":17lphmek said:
None. Ever. And that's the point, isn't it? Pretty obvious since I've already stated, clips are shit. Therefore relying on unreliable and bland clips of any amp, is a no win situation. I've heard clips of cheap amps that make them sound as good as clips of 3K Fortins. Are they as good? Of course not.
As far as Reza and his clips? Sure, they'll all sound the same because he dials his amps to sound like he wants them to sound, no? I dial all my amps in a similar way. Any 2 Marshalls I have will have a similar eq to them. Because that's how I dial them.
Clips are a shit way to judge any amp, period. I know that's all we have sometimes, but I always trust guys that have owned the amps over any youtube clip of anything. Hell, that garbage sounding evil orange might actually be an amazing amp. But off that clip? Any of the $150 Crate Stealths I've owned sound shit tons better.
panhead
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OK is the fortin made in china? LOL
Monkey Man
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Reference-quality mics employed in binaural setups or more-standard, carefully-positioned multi-mic configurations, perhaps? Can't think of any other way to accurately capture the amp-in-the-room experience well-enough, and even then, results would be dependent on mic-placement skills, amongst other things...
Gotta say this thread keeps on givin'. Love it. 
Gotta say this thread keeps on givin'. Love it.
JTyson
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Meh, Ive heard lots of clips by guys who could not play that demonstrated the tone of the amp reasonably well, Ive heard clips of guys who killed and they did not sound good at all. To say all clips are shit and we all have to take that as the end of the story is simply untrue. Yes, I agree the guy can't play which did not help at all, and I also agree that no clip will convey the feel of any amp or the exact sound in the room, most studio recordings dont do that either. I was simply pointing out that after 23 pages of fluff about Larrys amp the clip of it was a joke. For you to say all clips of all amps suck is simply untrue. I would prefer a clip that was simply done but done well to an album recording any day. Psychodaves clips are a prime example, he dosent go to a lot of trouble on them, but who has heard his Cameron Marshall clip recorded with his red Charvel that didn't think it sounded absolutely massive?Racerxrated":1e6w65mo said:JTyson":1e6w65mo said:Thunkful":1e6w65mo said:
Sorry, but the Larry sounds like shit in that clip... I would take that off the internet. Half of it is the guy playing, but the other half does not sound half as good as the pumpkin in a room full of noise no less. Maybe the guy does not know how to dial an amp in, I would be stunned if the Larry did not do any better than that after 23 pages of talk about them being better than anything else out there, is there a better clip anywhere to reverse the damage that clip has done? Maybe REZA will put up a proper clip, he can actually play, and he knows how to dial an amp
Carry on
You really think that blumkin clip sounds better??? OMG. Now, that Larry clip sounds bad too but its clearly better that that horseshit NAMM thing. Good god that NAMM vid sounds like Charvel Dan at his best. And that's pretty bad. Clearly the common denominator is the player, he needs some work that's for sure.
Here's one thing I know...
Clips are shit. Period. A good player can make a 20 dollar Gorilla special sound like GOD. And a shit player makes the 3K flavor of the week sound like ASS.
Hey ever hear that great SLO clip? Crickets.
How about the amazing Wizard clip? More crickets.
Wait wait what about that 2C+ clip??? Yeah that sounds just like my Mark III. Haha sure man.
Point is, maybe those amps aren't for everybody BUT many feel they are amazing and are one of a kind, Iconic amps. Oh yeah, and they cost between 3-6K depending on the model, or if you order a new custom Wizard with KT88s that will cost nearly 6K with taxes customs etc.
Clips don't ever reflect or even come close to demonstrating what the power section does to the tone/push the amp has.
Like I said, clips are shit. None of the amps I mentioned has had any decent clips over the years, yet they are very desirable and well respected.
I mean, how ever did they sell these amps without clips??????
Mike Soldano, Rick St Pierre and Larry don't seem to have a problem selling amps, yet their amps don't have much out there for clips.
Like I said, who cares about clips. Clips are shit anyway.
Anyone who has heard that clip will instantly know the one Im speaking of, it was that good. Dave also picks stuff to play that will exhibit the stronger qualities of the amp he is playing through. I may be wrong, but I think they were simple iPhone clips, and they were amazing. Not because of Dave's playing, although he can play his ass off, but because I could hear the full spectrum of the amp, and Dave played what he knows is important to a lot of us- Does it chug well? How percussive is it? How do the chords ring out? How do leads sound? The rest of it probably is a non issue. I love JS's tone on the albums, I know the amps are better than that clip.
We are in agreement that the clip sucks, Im fully aware of the pitfalls of clips vs feel vs sound in the room, Ive been at this a long time, gigged for years, recorded for even many more years, and have owned a metric shit ton of high gainers, probably close to 30 of various brands. I'm down to several of them.
23 pages.... That clip sucked balls.. Yes, the guy can't even chug the low string properly... I will wait for Reza to do a proper one..
An explanation of why all clips suck and this one- One of the only clips in existence of the amp in question- is not a proper clip to convey everything about the amp is really not needed, its obvious the guy is only used to bedroom volumes and had probably only had the amp a short time.
And Krull, Im not sure the same guy posted both of those clips at all, one of them can do what the other cannot seem to
errrrrl
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Can't believe this thread is still growing.... holEEEshitballsz At this point I'm waiting for Scooby and the gang to tear off Krull's mask for a revealing
Ok... time for you guys to get back at it... do we see a 25?
At this point I'm waiting for Scooby and the gang to tear off Krull's mask for a revealing Ok... time for you guys to get back at it... do we see a 25?
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311splawndude
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This is one of my favorite recent 'in room' clips. Seems like it would be pretty easy to get someone in this big wide world to do something similar for Larry. Maybe not. Not really talking about people participating in this thread - just saying, in general.
And yeah, we can't always go on clips alone but sometimes that's all we got and most of us are discerning enough to bridge any gaps necessary to come up with our own conclusions about what we could do with an amp in our own hands - even with the 'bad' clips.
And yeah, we can't always go on clips alone but sometimes that's all we got and most of us are discerning enough to bridge any gaps necessary to come up with our own conclusions about what we could do with an amp in our own hands - even with the 'bad' clips.
Meeotch
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panhead":2i3x0s0p said:
Yes, but they make a stop in the UK to get some English boogers smeared onto V1. The problem now is COVID-19 boogers are adding flub, so they are having to reroute back to China for antibody boogers that tighten that shit up.
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Racerxrated
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I have heard good clips sure, like I said most if not all of them are stock or modded Marshalls. Maybe its the mids? Amps with great juicy mids like a Marshall have the best translation to iPhone or other simply recorded clips. My point was more to the fact that some really well thought of amps, like Wizards/SLO/Larry, just don't have great or even good clips to go by. A few guys here have made the comment about Wizards..I think it was 46-2..."can anyone show me a decent Wizard clip?" and that's what I'm talking about. Yet people who own/have owned them all say the same thing...how killer in the room a Wizard is. That's the thing...an amp that gets great reviews will need the power section to really cook before it does its thing. Clips just aren't going to show that, ever.JTyson":311oq8yc said:Meh, Ive heard lots of clips by guys who could not play that demonstrated the tone of the amp reasonably well, Ive heard clips of guys who killed and they did not sound good at all. To say all clips are shit and we all have to take that as the end of the story is simply untrue. Yes, I agree the guy can't play which did not help at all, and I also agree that no clip will convey the feel of any amp or the exact sound in the room, most studio recordings dont do that either. I was simply pointing out that after 23 pages of fluff about Larrys amp the clip of it was a joke. For you to say all clips of all amps suck is simply untrue. I would prefer a clip that was simply done but done well to an album recording any day. Psychodaves clips are a prime example, he dosent go to a lot of trouble on them, but who has heard his Cameron Marshall clip recorded with his red Charvel that didn't think it sounded absolutely massive?Racerxrated":311oq8yc said:JTyson":311oq8yc said:Thunkful":311oq8yc said:
Sorry, but the Larry sounds like shit in that clip... I would take that off the internet. Half of it is the guy playing, but the other half does not sound half as good as the pumpkin in a room full of noise no less. Maybe the guy does not know how to dial an amp in, I would be stunned if the Larry did not do any better than that after 23 pages of talk about them being better than anything else out there, is there a better clip anywhere to reverse the damage that clip has done? Maybe REZA will put up a proper clip, he can actually play, and he knows how to dial an amp
Carry on
You really think that blumkin clip sounds better??? OMG. Now, that Larry clip sounds bad too but its clearly better that that horseshit NAMM thing. Good god that NAMM vid sounds like Charvel Dan at his best. And that's pretty bad. Clearly the common denominator is the player, he needs some work that's for sure.
Here's one thing I know...
Clips are shit. Period. A good player can make a 20 dollar Gorilla special sound like GOD. And a shit player makes the 3K flavor of the week sound like ASS.
Hey ever hear that great SLO clip? Crickets.
How about the amazing Wizard clip? More crickets.
Wait wait what about that 2C+ clip??? Yeah that sounds just like my Mark III. Haha sure man.
Point is, maybe those amps aren't for everybody BUT many feel they are amazing and are one of a kind, Iconic amps. Oh yeah, and they cost between 3-6K depending on the model, or if you order a new custom Wizard with KT88s that will cost nearly 6K with taxes customs etc.
Clips don't ever reflect or even come close to demonstrating what the power section does to the tone/push the amp has.
Like I said, clips are shit. None of the amps I mentioned has had any decent clips over the years, yet they are very desirable and well respected.
I mean, how ever did they sell these amps without clips??????
Mike Soldano, Rick St Pierre and Larry don't seem to have a problem selling amps, yet their amps don't have much out there for clips.
Like I said, who cares about clips. Clips are shit anyway.
Anyone who has heard that clip will instantly know the one Im speaking of, it was that good. Dave also picks stuff to play that will exhibit the stronger qualities of the amp he is playing through. I may be wrong, but I think they were simple iPhone clips, and they were amazing. Not because of Dave's playing, although he can play his ass off, but because I could hear the full spectrum of the amp, and Dave played what he knows is important to a lot of us- Does it chug well? How percussive is it? How do the chords ring out? How do leads sound? The rest of it probably is a non issue. I love JS's tone on the albums, I know the amps are better than that clip.
We are in agreement that the clip sucks, Im fully aware of the pitfalls of clips vs feel vs sound in the room, Ive been at this a long time, gigged for years, recorded for even many more years, and have owned a metric shit ton of high gainers, probably close to 30 of various brands. I'm down to several of them.
23 pages.... That clip sucked balls.. Yes, the guy can't even chug the low string properly... I will wait for Reza to do a proper one..
An explanation of why all clips suck and this one- One of the only clips in existence of the amp in question- is not a proper clip to convey everything about the amp is really not needed, its obvious the guy is only used to bedroom volumes and had probably only had the amp a short time.
And Krull, Im not sure the same guy posted both of those clips at all, one of them can do what the other cannot seem to
What about a Dumble, another iconic amp that will get snapped up before it's even listed anywhere..and for what, 20, 40, 60, 100K or more??? Show me a good Dumble clip. I'd bet it sounds like just an amp..clean to a little dirty. Nothing in those vids/clips equals 5-6 figures, that's for sure. But yet they will sell quick for unreal money. Why? Partly because of the rarity..but if that was it my Coliseum, one of less than 90 made would be worth a shit ton...mostly because of the word of mouth of how amazing those Dumbles are. No one has ever been able to really replicate one.
Clips serve a purpose of course..but to judge an amp based on a crappy clip, and only the crappy clip would leave many great amps never selling. I mean that NAMM clip sounded like he strung up rubber bands and strummed. I don't think the Larry clip was very good either...but I'm quite sure both amps can sound way better. I learned to not ever take any clip seriously after I bought my first SLO 7 yrs ago...I had listened to a 6505 vs SLO youtube clip...I've played 6505s and they are ok...wouldn't buy one though. I waffled on the SLO because I didn't want to drop 2500 on a 6505 clone. Lol. Thankfully when I first played the SLO with a boost and some volume, hahaha no chance anyone would mistake the SLO with a 6505.
That's why RT and other forums are great info sources...we can ask about these amps and actual owners will chime in and give an honest review. I'll take that 6 days a week and twice on Sunday over some clip that doesn't really reflect the tone that you actually hear in the room.