FUCK hilary kankle fat ass clinton!

['63-Strat]

i think texas has an open primary so if i did vote (which i don't) i wouldn't have to register with a party

i could be wrong though

like i said, i don't vote. I have more important things to do, i.e. things that actually have a payoff (like taking a nap)

What a load of bs. I'm sure the US is no different than Canada in that you have to be given time during the day to vote without penalty to your job, so really, what possible excuse is there not to vote? I really think all countries should adopt Australia's system where you are required by law to vote or you get fined. Want to spoil your ballot, fine, but not voting is such a copout. I also think they should institute a short multiple choice quiz on either the issues or candiates (that is VERY easy mind you) to ensure that the voting population has done the minimal amount of research any citizen should be doing to ensure the democratic system. People have died and will continue to die for things like the right to vote, and you can't even spend 5 minutes to do that? Wow. There are other parties besides the Dems and Rep party to vote for you know, anything would be better than not voting at all.

 

[Meathead]

<snip>If the advantage of being American is to chose between the likes of Dukakis, Bush (both), Clinton (both), Gore, etc...then I'm just as happy watching the carnage from he side lines and snigger.

ya...we watch from up here in Canada.
It's kind of the same here though, I didn't vote last election.

 

[Anonymous]

What a load of bs. I'm sure the US is no different than Canada in that you have to be given time during the day to vote without penalty to your job, so really, what possible excuse is there not to vote? I really think all countries should adopt Australia's system where you are required by law to vote or you get fined. Want to spoil your ballot, fine, but not voting is such a copout. I also think they should institute a short multiple choice quiz on either the issues or candiates (that is VERY easy mind you) to ensure that the voting population has done the minimal amount of research any citizen should be doing to ensure the democratic system. People have died and will continue to die for things like the right to vote, and you can't even spend 5 minutes to do that? Wow. There are other parties besides the Dems and Rep party to vote for you know, anything would be better than not voting at all.

Well done. Thanks - I especially agree with the quiz part. You fail - you don't vote... Do some research!

Steve

 

[Gainzilla]

I have dual citizenship( Italy and here) but I seriously doubt that theres anyone that they could elect to get me to move... and youre right, we havent had a real choice in years and I dont have high hopes for us having one for quite some time... Who ever gets elected doesnt really affect any of us if you think about it so theres no other choice other than to grin and bear it and do your thing..

Italians voted a porn star into national office. I recommend you stay here.

BTW - I couldn't disagree more with the idea that whoever gets elected it doesn't affect us. There are people being elected who would like to legislate their morality on YOU. If that doesn't get your attention and in fact, DEMAND you participate in the political process, then I fear for us all...

Steve

I dont see how any elected officials Morality is going to affect mine and anything that I do. Maybe others but I dont see it affecting mine... sounds selfish but its true..

 

[Anonymous]

I dont see how any elected officials Morality is going to affect mine and anything that I do. Maybe others but I dont see it affecting mine... sounds selfish but its true..

How about when they determine through new laws what your kid can read or learn about as part their education. Maybe they'll force your kid to study intelligent design as an equal theory to evolution, like they already do in some places in the US. How about when they determine what entertainment you can see and hear as a grown adult. Elected officials can do all this and more. I can probably come up with a thousand examples that will affect your life... Maybe you don't care about the examples I've given, but you are a smart guy, I'm sure you can think of some that you do care about. People don't often think about their rights until they are taken away...

Steve

 

[Copperhead]

Yes, but what I really want to know is, what's a kankle?

 

[Gainzilla]

I dont see how any elected officials Morality is going to affect mine and anything that I do. Maybe others but I dont see it affecting mine... sounds selfish but its true..

How about when they determine through new laws what your kid can read or learn about as part their education. Maybe they'll force your kid to study intelligent design as an equal theory to evolution, like they already do in some places in the US. How about when they determine what entertainment you can see and hear as a grown adult. Elected officials can do all this and more. I can probably come up with a thousand examples that will affect your life... Maybe you don't care about the examples I've given, but you are a smart guy, I'm sure you can think of some that you do care about. People don't often think about their rights until they are taken away...

Steve

For the most part , I just dont see it happening Steve, especially where I am. The only thing that I see in danger of getting overturned is Roe V Wade and as bad as it would be for others, it doesnt affect me in the least.. People keep talking about our rights being taken away and I have yet to come up with anything that affects me...

Its like here in NYC when people were protesting about Random Bag searches on the Subways; they asked "whats next? are you going to check my bank acounts and what I read at the Library?" Thats reaching IMO... I never understood why people were against that but happily submitted to searches before they got on Airplanes...

You bring up an interesting point about education. Most likely, my son will either go to Parochial School or Private School. Ill hope that theyll offer all of the current theories Evolution, Intelligent Design and Creationism. My son is a smart kid and with our help, he'll be able to make informed decisions...

Outside of the abortion issue, I realistically cant see anything getting passed thats going to Change our lives drastically

 

[amiller]

I'm not saying that Bill Clinton is an angel, however, the whole GOP having the moral high ground is "exposed" again.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

 

[defpearlpilot]

I dont see how any elected officials Morality is going to affect mine and anything that I do. Maybe others but I dont see it affecting mine... sounds selfish but its true..

How about when they determine through new laws what your kid can read or learn about as part their education. Maybe they'll force your kid to study intelligent design as an equal theory to evolution, like they already do in some places in the US. How about when they determine what entertainment you can see and hear as a grown adult. Elected officials can do all this and more. I can probably come up with a thousand examples that will affect your life... Maybe you don't care about the examples I've given, but you are a smart guy, I'm sure you can think of some that you do care about. People don't often think about their rights until they are taken away...

Steve

For the most part , I just dont see it happening Steve, especially where I am. The only thing that I see in danger of getting overturned is Roe V Wade and as bad as it would be for others, it doesnt affect me in the least.. People keep talking about our rights being taken away and I have yet to come up with anything that affects me...

I think that is a problem. Lot's of stuff hasn't affected me but the more you let them take the more they will. I wasn't personally affected by FISA, Habeus Corpus, etc. Soon it will be HR-1955 that the democrats are pushing. But I've signed petitions revolving around those issues. The more I read each day, the more I want to be politically active. You already have a son. I have a child on the way. I can't let mine come into a world like this.

 

[King Crimson]

 

[Gitfiddler]

Yes, but what I really want to know is, what's a kankle?

kankle defined: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... efid=13676

 

[Anonymous]

For the most part , I just dont see it happening Steve, especially where I am. The only thing that I see in danger of getting overturned is Roe V Wade and as bad as it would be for others, it doesnt affect me in the least.. People keep talking about our rights being taken away and I have yet to come up with anything that affects me...

Its like here in NYC when people were protesting about Random Bag searches on the Subways; they asked "whats next? are you going to check my bank acounts and what I read at the Library?" Thats reaching IMO... I never understood why people were against that but happily submitted to searches before they got on Airplanes...

You bring up an interesting point about education. Most likely, my son will either go to Parochial School or Private School. Ill hope that theyll offer all of the current theories Evolution, Intelligent Design and Creationism. My son is a smart kid and with our help, he'll be able to make informed decisions...

Outside of the abortion issue, I realistically cant see anything getting passed thats going to Change our lives drastically

Well... we obviously have different opinions on whether intelligent design should be taught as a viable alternative to evolution. Hey... maybe I'll come up with some magical bullshit reason for the existance of man and try to legislate it into public education too...

I can only guess that the reasons you can't realistically see anything getting passed that will affect you is that:

1) you aren't devoting much attention/imagination to this possibility.
2) you figure others who are like minded will come to your rescue by participating in the political process and your beliefs will prevail.

Another thing - you are not living in a vacuum. The behavior of others will affect you and your family, including your child, who I know you love above all else. If other people's rights are taken away, they will affect your child. Whether an issue currently affects you personally or not, the affect on others will affect you and your child. If Roe v Wade is overturned, it WILL affect you and your family because it will affect others. And it is clear there are powerful people in political office who will look at Roe v Wade as just the begining. Like it or not we are all interconnected. Additionally, I believe we have a responsibility to stand up for our beliefs whether laws that our government attempts to enact in conflict with those beliefs affect us personally or not...

Steve

 

[cloudnine]

By the way, Hillary sucks. She's an opportunist of the highest order and her ambition knows no bounds.

But I don't see ANY good choices on the Republican side. Mitt Romney - crazy. Giuliani -borderline fascist and a shitty human being to boot. McCain - panderer. Huckabee - crazy.

The Dems aren't much better - you have an opportunist of the worst kind in Clinton, an ambitious but generally weak and generic Obama, and basically noone else of any consequence.

The Democrats just won't stand up to the administration and refuse to sign on to any more crazy bullshit - because they're afraid of polarizing and losing votes. They really don't deserve to get elected since they've done nothing but make noise and then bitch out at the last minute.

I'm starting to think the only one with any kind of personal integrity in the race is Kucinich.

Also, my theory is that a good number of the religious radical right are repressed sexually and thus can only focus on sex-related issues (Clinton is a woman, a bitch, homos are evil, morality morality morality Clinton blowjob oh my God). It seriously gets old after awhile. But hey, anything to deflect.

Hey, anyone remember what Newt Gingrich was doing to his hired help while he was railing on Clinton

Also - "intelligent design" is not a science, nor a scientific position. It is GARBAGE and should not be taught to kids.

 

['63-Strat]

By the way, Hillary sucks. She's an opportunist of the highest order and her ambition knows no bounds.

But I don't see ANY good choices on the Republican side. Mitt Romney - crazy. Giuliani -borderline fascist and a shitty human being to boot. McCain - panderer. Huckabee - crazy.

The Dems aren't much better - you have an opportunist of the worst kind in Clinton, an ambitious but generally weak and generic Obama, and basically noone else of any consequence.

The Democrats just won't stand up to the administration and refuse to sign on to any more crazy bullshit - because they're afraid of polarizing and losing votes. They really don't deserve to get elected since they've done nothing but make noise and then bitch out at the last minute.

I'm starting to think the only one with any kind of personal integrity in the race is Kucinich.

Also, my theory is that a good number of the religious radical right are repressed sexually and thus can only focus on sex-related issues (Clinton is a woman, a bitch, homos are evil, morality morality morality Clinton blowjob oh my God). It seriously gets old after awhile. But hey, anything to deflect.

Hey, anyone remember what Newt Gingrich was doing to his hired help while he was railing on Clinton

Also - "intelligent design" is not a science, nor a scientific position. It is GARBAGE and should not be taught to kids.

You said opportunist too much, fail

Also, the fact that people's sexuality is a political issue in 2007 is embarassing. What consenting adults do is their own business, why the hell people have such a hard on for controlling others' sexual behaviour is almost beyond me. Except that we all know it comes from certain religious centers, ridiculous and sad IMO. Intelligent Design? So dumb its not even worth discussing, again, just embarassing. The fact that we're still obsessed with essentially sniffing each others butts as far as legislating morality goes should end that question once and for all IMO.

 

[Pepi]

She jams ...

 

[theNoseBleedKid]

i think texas has an open primary so if i did vote (which i don't) i wouldn't have to register with a party

i could be wrong though

like i said, i don't vote. I have more important things to do, i.e. things that actually have a payoff (like taking a nap)

What a load of bs. I'm sure the US is no different than Canada in that you have to be given time during the day to vote without penalty to your job, so really, what possible excuse is there not to vote? I really think all countries should adopt Australia's system where you are required by law to vote or you get fined. Want to spoil your ballot, fine, but not voting is such a copout. I also think they should institute a short multiple choice quiz on either the issues or candiates (that is VERY easy mind you) to ensure that the voting population has done the minimal amount of research any citizen should be doing to ensure the democratic system. People have died and will continue to die for things like the right to vote, and you can't even spend 5 minutes to do that? Wow. There are other parties besides the Dems and Rep party to vote for you know, anything would be better than not voting at all.

Yay Australia, but I turned 18 about 3 weeks ago, and just got my name down in time to vote for this election to be held before Christmas for our PM. Many of my friends didn't, they don't care, theres not a good candidate. With that kind of attitude the only people voting are the ones that like the candidates already in power, as you can be re-elected as many times as the public re elect you here I'm thinking thats why things are so stangnat.

Just because a fine exists, doesn't mean people won't take the hit of $50 to 'stick it to the man'. Immature I know!

 

[Phishphood]

For the most part , I just dont see it happening Steve, especially where I am. The only thing that I see in danger of getting overturned is Roe V Wade and as bad as it would be for others, it doesnt affect me in the least.. People keep talking about our rights being taken away and I have yet to come up with anything that affects me...

Its like here in NYC when people were protesting about Random Bag searches on the Subways; they asked "whats next? are you going to check my bank acounts and what I read at the Library?" Thats reaching IMO... I never understood why people were against that but happily submitted to searches before they got on Airplanes...

I don't think anyone happily submits to the searches, they simply have no choice. Airline security is a fucking joke though. They put us through ridiculous bullshit claiming its all necessary for safety yet if you pay enough you can buy a free pass and waltz through security

As for looking through our bank accounts when we go to the library, they already do that. The usa patriot act allows the government to look at what you read and check up on you if they think you have questionable taste in books. And its not like the government is holding back on shit like this. What about the massive illegal domestic spying we had?

You bring up an interesting point about education. Most likely, my son will either go to Parochial School or Private School. Ill hope that theyll offer all of the current theories Evolution, Intelligent Design and Creationism. My son is a smart kid and with our help, he'll be able to make informed decisions...

I don't know of any respectable private school that teaches intelligent design, and with good reason, its simply not science. It ignores the scientific method, and enters the supernatural into a subject that is strictly focused on natural forces. Kids should be free to learn about creationism, but in theology, history, or on their own, not in science. Creationism should not be presented as an alternative to evolution simply because its not by its very nature. Offering creationism as an alternate way of life on earth as we know it is like offering ultimate frisbee as an alternate way of playing soccer. Frisbee is fun, but its a totally different sport.

I'm all for kids making informed decisions, but introducing creationism into schools gives them some pretty big misconceptions. When you start saying its an alternative to evolution, the lines between religion and science get blurred. Thats not helping them make an informed decision, thats making it harder

Not to mention the fact that its simply unconstitutional. All the intelligent design and creationist material thats people are trying to get in schools concerns the judeo-christian form of creationism. The government cannot make laws concerning a particular religion. If they are going to teach creationism in schools they would have to teach the hindu/buddhist/taoist/whatever theories on creationism too. Thats simply impossible as there just too many religions. Leave science in the science classroom, and children can research whatever theories they want on their own or with the help of their parents. They don't have to learn everything from school

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

I said my peace earlier in this thread about Hillary being an evil cunt deep down but there is one more thing I feel I can add to this. Do any of you think that this country was founded on or stands for political dynasty? Should our presidents really read Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton? This is the exact kind of bulllshit that the United States was founded against, rule by the few, the few that are corrupt and powerful. If you honestly think that Hillary is the best choice then more power to you but please read between the lines, for that matter if you think any of the "front runners" from either party are the best choice then please do some more research. Most of the these fucks are all gears in the same machine.

 

[SeaDog]

Also - "intelligent design" is not a science, nor a scientific position. It is GARBAGE and should not be taught to kids.

Let me preface - I think that creationism should not be taught in schools since it's based on religion and is best left to parents.

Now:
As complicated as the universe seems to be, is it any smarter to think that it is all based on random chance, which is the basis of the big bang? I don't see any reason to dismiss intelligent design out of hand anymore than the theory of evolution.

Both theorys could be right - if there was a "intelligent" designer to the universe why would we assume that things would be created like magic and not through a scientific method? If there was a designer, then he obviously designed the universe to work according to a scientific principle and not like a Harry Potter movie. People accept evolution as complete fact when there are holes in some parts of the theory. Creationist dismiss evolution since it doesn't fit their ideas of God creating the earth, but it's obvious that animals do evolve based on natural selection.

Thinking that random chance created everything through a highly complex system of events is statistically unlikely based on the human observation of the world in the modern human era. I submit that it's arrogant of us to think we understand and have all the answers and should keep an open mind. Just my two cents...

 

[grooveHT]

Giuliani -borderline fascist and a shitty human being to boot.

Here, fascism defined by dictionary.reference.com:
fas·cism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fash-iz-uhm] (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

I have no idea how this makes him a fascist. I'm not sure if he had opponents waxed, regimented any industry whatsoever, nor was he nationalistic or racist. If you mean he was tough on certain demographics in NY City, yes, you can actually go into the city again and feel somewhat safe, ask Kage. 42nd street isn't the red-light shithole it was, where he instead managed to bring legit businesses back. And socially, he seems to be somewhat of a moderate, advocation woman's choice and such.