Guitar Sound or Tone you are bored with?

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Techdeth said:
Same drums with same axe efx tone
Over and over . Then a guy screams . I’m a death metal guy .think about how Death , Corpse , Carcass , morbid Angel , and Deicide . They all had different guitar sounds drum sounds and vocals . Fuck me I love metal but they do get the same damn sounds . And btw I hate axe efx . But they just go for the same sounds , no tweaking to be original
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i understand, its why ive purposely never learned to use samples or edit drums and i try to use different amp/speakers/mic's than the common go to's trying to avoid sounding like everyone else. i dont edit anything with my music, all instruments gotta be one take, none of this gridding bullshit
 
RaceU4her said:
i understand, its why ive purposely never learned to use samples or edit drums and i try to use different amp/speakers/mic's than the common go to's trying to avoid sounding like everyone else. i dont edit anything with my music, all instruments gotta be one take, none of this gridding bullshit
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My stuff is like that too
 
For me it's those super-saturated software amp sounds a lot of metal players/producers use. Not bad sounds by any means they just sound a bit too samey and lacking any character.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if some modern metal I like has been recorded with that method haha!
 
homespun said:
I can’t disagree. I feel much the same.
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I was never into thrash or Megadeath but I do like old school Metallica for some reason . I never viewed them as thrash, they had good hooks and melody and the guitars sounded much better than most thrash stuff I've heard .
 
ccn said:
I was never into thrash or Megadeath but I do like old school Metallica for some reason . I never viewed them as thrash, they had good hooks and melody and the guitars sounded much better than most thrash stuff I've heard .
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May i ask which of their albums was your introduction to Metallica?
 
Detroit1973 said:
And i'm the guy that always thought this tone was terrible. Dave has had moments of Good tone but for the Most part it's all Treble & No Balls.
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I agree completely. First I can't stand Megadeth but overall this tone is weak and thin. Lacks any kind of punch whatsoever.
 
RaceU4her said:
i understand, its why ive purposely never learned to use samples or edit drums and i try to use different amp/speakers/mic's than the common go to's trying to avoid sounding like everyone else. i dont edit anything with my music, all instruments gotta be one take, none of this gridding bullshit
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Am I welcome to joke about 2c+? 😂
 
It’s prob just me getting older but I’m less into the ‘perfected’ saturated, gained up tones than when I was young and I like raw, simple tones more. Not shitty raw tones, just more organic raw tones. But I don’t mind a few warts and farts here and there like I used to.
 
braintheory said:
I wonder where the volumes were set in the Dumble clips online because the one ‘70’s ODS50 I got to try at first sounded much like you described and also a bit muffled until turned up enough and then transformed into something else. I wish I took an iPhone clip in retrospect when I tried it. It was not only the best amp I’ve heard, but for me also one of the best musical instruments overall I’ve heard. That being said, I didn’t care for the Dumble clones I’ve tried including Bludotone. The clean of the ODS didn’t didn’t wow me much, but imo was a pretty different flavor than fender cleans. It was fat, warm and woody, while black and silverfaces are more sparkly, glassy and scooped
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I've played an 80s ODS but it was only at a moderate volume, so I'm sure I didn't get the full experience

But even so, the lead/gainy sound was basically a combination of cranked tweed at not cranked volumes - farty, grainy - with the honk of a mark I boogie

and the clean was a more mid focused version of a blackface or silver face - it honest to god reminded me of a hot rod deluxe 🤷

I'm sure there are impressive ones out there, but I don't really "get it."

I've played a trainwreck express and THAT I "got." Very touch sensitive, and dynamic.
 
Good thread... but as previous commenter asked, who's got a tone that's not derivative? What are people digging these days? Check out latest Steer/Carcass album Torn Arteries for some Steer tone evolution. Not near as tight as Surgical Steel or Heartwork. I think moving away from hyper-tight metal tones is where it's at.
 
denialist said:
Good thread... but as previous commenter asked, who's got a tone that's not derivative? What are people digging these days? Check out latest Steer/Carcass album Torn Arteries for some Steer tone evolution. Not near as tight as Surgical Steel or Heartwork. I think moving away from hyper-tight metal tones is where it's at.
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Yes. All we know that question "Could you recommend an amp, which is tight, articulate, percussive?". Then, record it, use Mesa OS IR, add sampled drums (note velocity 127), polish (remove boxiness, remove resonances, remove life, ...), don't forget to use Andy Sneap's chug trick, glue together (no, it's not glued). For God's sake, do not use any reverb.

I don't like modern productions. They are mostly lifeless, bands are indistinguishable.
 
DanTravis62 said:
I've played an 80s ODS but it was only at a moderate volume, so I'm sure I didn't get the full experience

But even so, the lead/gainy sound was basically a combination of cranked tweed at not cranked volumes - farty, grainy - with the honk of a mark I boogie

and the clean was a more mid focused version of a blackface or silver face - it honest to god reminded me of a hot rod deluxe 🤷

I'm sure there are impressive ones out there, but I don't really "get it."

I've played a trainwreck express and THAT I "got." Very touch sensitive, and dynamic.
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Yeah the ‘70’s ODS I tried wasn’t great at low to medium volumes, but I felt I could hear some potential and once I got it loud it very quickly made me think any other amp I’d tried was trash. To anything else I’d call 3D this was 4 or 5D (and I brought my 1980 Jim Kelley over to compare, which I feel is an amazing amp). I could just play a single high open E, let it ring and hear so much going on in that alone. With most amps you play a note and once you hear it come out of the speaker the sound is as good as it’s gonna get, if anything it might get worse as it sustains, but with this Dumble the initial sound you hear isn’t the best part yet. It kept evolving and got more complex as it sustained. Maybe that’s what guys mean with Dumble bloom, not sure. Anyway, I became a believer since that time

I think it is kind of the same flavor to the ‘70’s Mark I I had like you said, but the same flavor in that the Dumble is premium fresh squeezed oj while the mark I I had would at best be some orange flavored medicine or cough syrup. Can’t even give it from concentrate oj lol. The clean I wasn’t that crazy about either and sounded like you said, except somehow when I went back to amps side by side that I know have great cleans like an old Blackface, somehow they didn’t sound so good after. I remember also this middle aged lady (who’s son plays guitar) went up to me and I expected her to yell at me that it was too loud, but actually she just said how incredible it sounded and wanted to know more about it

I’ve not tried a real Trainwreck sadly, but I’m sure I’d be similarly impressed with that too. The Larry Wrecky I tried and my Alessandro’s sound amazing and those are TW inspired. I liked a lot the Komet’s too, but side by side I felt the Wrecky and Alessandro’s were on another level
 
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braintheory said:
Yeah the ‘70’s ODS I tried wasn’t great at low to medium volumes, but I felt I could hear some potential and once I got it loud it very quickly made me think any other amp I’d tried was trash. To anything else I’d call 3D this was 4 or 5D. I could just play a single high open E, let it ring and hear so much going on in that alone. With most amps you play a note and once you hear it come out of the speaker the sound is as good as it’s gonna get, if anything it might get worse as it sustains, but with this Dumble the initial sound you hear isn’t the best part yet. It kept evolving and got more complex as it sustained. Maybe that’s what guys mean with Dumble bloom, not sure. Anyway, I became a believer since that time. I think it is the same flavor to the ‘70’s Mark I I had like you said, but the same flavor in that the Dumble is premium fresh squeezed oj while the mark I I had would at best be some orange flavored medicine or cough syrup. Can’t even give it from concentrate oj lol. The clean I wasn’t that crazy about either and sounded like you said, except somehow when I went back to amps side by side that I know have great cleans like an old Blackface, somehow they didn’t sound so good after. I remember also this middle aged lady (who’s son plays guitar) went up to me and I expected her to yell at me that it was too loud, but actually she just said how incredible it sounded and wanted to know more about it

I’ve not tried a real Trainwreck sadly, but I’m sure I’d be similarly impressed with that too. The Larry Wrecky I tried and my Alessandro’s sound amazing and those are TW inspired. I liked a lot the Komet’s too, but side by side I felt the Wrecky and Alessandro’s were on another level
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The reason people make fun of HAD and the whole 'crystal lattice' thing is because his level of tube amp related knowledge was WAY over their heads. Those amazing Dumble qualities you speak of, I believe it, but they're definitely not observable even in a 100% accurate schematic of the amp. HAD knew his shit.
 
thegame said:
The reason people make fun of HAD and the whole 'crystal lattice' thing is because his level of tube amp related knowledge was WAY over their heads. Those amazing Dumble qualities you speak of, I believe it, but they're definitely not observable even in a 100% accurate schematic of the amp. HAD knew his shit.
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Oh yeah no argument there. Maybe one has to be that weird or eccentric like HAD to make something that special and if so, then we need more guys like that making gear haha
 
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