HEAVY pedal to make hi-gain amps more Brutal

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CoolGuitarGear said:
Wrong, I dial my amps in that way. Don't use a universal affirmative when you haven't surveyed every guitar player, particularly when it's already been established that many guitarists do dial back for the rhythm, while turning up for lead... a common practice for decades. You do not have to choose to do so... but that was MY video and application. No one is asking YOU to do it, but don't lay claim to something that is false.
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Mark Skid said:
CoolGuitarGear is correct about using the guitar volume knob. Backing-off the volume is SOP when it comes to playing at volume, especially when playing through a NMV amplifier + gain pedal. MV amplifiers are for shit, as they compress the signal beyond a semblance of user control. You can back-off the volume knob, but there's no-way around the excessive compression that multi gain stage amplifiers generate. A lot of players rely on that compression and sustain, as it does wonders for making you sound better than you actually are.

For the accomplished player, nothing beats a good drive pedal + NMV Marshall, VOX or Matchless. Not that there aren't MV amps that I don't dig... The Marshall SJ, Wizard, Boogie IIC+ (w/o EQ) and Fender Pro-Sonic are great amplifiers for straight-in play. My favorite pedal + MV amplifier are the early JCM800, 2203 and 2204. I doubt anyone gives a f*** what I think... I'm just sayin.

Most metal guys are on 11 all the time, so the volume knob is more of an on/off dial. Not all, but most.
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The doesn’t explain the overly aggressive noise gate on a low signal that literally sounds like a cable shorting out. And for people that use the volume knob to roll off between rhythm and lead, this is still not how I perceive them as having the amp dialed in. The “before” tone is not musical in my opinion.
 
scottosan said:
The doesn’t explain the overly aggressive noise gate on a low signal that literally sounds like a cable shorting out. And for people that use the volume knob to roll off between rhythm and lead, this is still not how I perceive them as having the amp dialed in. The “before” tone is not musical in my opinion.
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The noise gate wasn't activated (that is part of the pedal, not the amp). The gain was turned down to a particular level, as per the video, which removed the drive to a moderate crunch level.
 
Has this entire thread been about the guitar's volume knob or have we also started asking why anybody would waste money on a good high gain head just to negate the entire point of it with a high-gain-amp-in-a-box pedal that will make basically every amp sound like that pedal?
 
TheGreatGreen said:
Has this entire thread been about the guitar's volume knob or have we also started asking why anybody would waste money on a good high gain head just to negate the entire point of it with a high-gain-amp-in-a-box pedal that will make basically every amp sound like that pedal?
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It's called blending and you can turn pedals off if you want. It will not be the same across all amps. Even pedals for clean channels are not like that. You dial back from mud on high gain channels if you do that. So it makes sense he is dialing. You will even have to dial back on direct to amp in most cases without high gain going to mud. Volume pot works fine also.
 
DanTravis62 said:
Show us the way, Sensei


We're all obviously beginners, so show us what's up.
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I was about to say the same thing about all the experts on here. Obviously not a location to have fun, try different things and support each other.
 
TheToneDig said:
It's called blending and you can turn pedals off if you want. It will not be the same across all amps. Even pedals for clean channels are not like that. You dial back from mud on high gain channels if you do that. So it makes sense he is dialing. You will even have to dial back on direct to amp in most cases without high gain going to mud. Volume pot works fine also.
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First of all, it's not "called" blending, you're calling it blending. Don't say it's just "called" something like it's some established standard when it very much is not. Even still, calling it blending is technically incorrect. "Blending," if you want an actually widely understood definition, is mixing two or more signals in parallel.

What's being talked about in this thread is simply routing two fully realized high gain signals in series and it almost always sounds overly saturated or at least undefined to the point that you can't tell one guitar from another anymore, or one amp from another for that matter. I mean, if that's what you want, find go for it, but you need to understand what you're doing to your sound.

Those amp-in-a-box pedals are so influential to the signal that they absolutely do render high gain amp channels to be pointless to use with them. I know, I've tried multiple ones extensively because I was curious about this too a while back. If you have an amp that doesn't get dirty enough, you can use these pedals with clean channels to give yourself an extra dirt channel, but using a high gain amp-in-a-box pedal with the high gain channel of an amp is 9 times out of 10 going to sound worse in every way than either using the pedal with a clean amp or just the high gain amp with maybe a boost if you want.

Basically, don't do it.
 
Akira69 said:
this thread is a shit show 🙈
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No... The "shit show" is social media itself. Like most gear forums, a bastion of no-talent hacks who have no more business playing a guitar than a monkey does playing with a box of matches. A cacophony of idiocy that is only exceeded by its collective narcissism. Real players don't post on forums, it's that simple. Well, not unless you're Joe Bonamassa. :LOL:

The one phrase every parent dreads... "Mom, dad... I met a guy. He's a musician."
 
Mark Skid said:
No... The "shit show" is social media itself. Like most gear forums, a bastion of no-talent hacks who have no more business playing a guitar than a monkey does playing with a box of matches. A cacophony of idiocy that is only exceeded by its collective narcissism. Real players don't post on forums, it's that simple. Well, not unless you're Joe Bonamassa. :LOL:

The one phrase every parent dreads... "Mom, dad... I met a guy. He's a musician."
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And yet, you play and you're on this forum, you no-talent hack. Or are you Joe?
 
Mark Skid said:
I should think you'd want to complement me on my self-deprecation.
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I'd rather complement you on enjoying life, enjoying playing music and supporting others. Focusing on the good and positive is far better than self-deprecation. Life is too short.
 
CoolGuitarGear said:
I'd rather complement you on enjoying life, enjoying playing music and supporting others. Focusing on the good and positive is far better than self-deprecation. Life is too short.
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You interpreted my comment as a glass half-empty... It isn't. It's was meant to entice people into focusing on personal development.
 
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