Help Me Build a Rack Rig - UPDATED 12/7/2011

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Well, I can't help ya' on the "AMP THING" but, I got the ULTIMATE FX piece still available and you ain't gonna' find one in better shape for the price :D .

But, I can definately say if I get this awesome job I've been waitin' to hear about today...that's puppy's comin' off the "FOR SALE" block. I wouldn't sell it at all if I wasn't REALLY hurtin' for bux.

You know where it is :rock:


You'll get it all together....just takes time :thumbsup:
 
Greetings :)
Thanks for the research and the posting. Much appreciated...

rlord1974":wou3eq76 said:
Code001 is selling an MP-1 and a Rocktron Multivalve (tube version of the Replifex)
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=72287&hilit=ADA
Code001's MP-1 is a modified version (3TM) and I was looking for a stock unit. And, as he described it, is a little rough. I saw the post but passed because of the condition...


rlord1974":wou3eq76 said:
Filter500 is selling a VHT 2/50/2 with the 6L6/EL-34 switch.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=72286

Teqnick is also selling a VHT 2/50/2.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=71881
I have been watching both of the posts for the VHT 2/50/2 power amps and I am definitely interested. Poised to make offers...


rlord1974":wou3eq76 said:
Guitarslinger is selling a mint Mesa V-Twin rack pre too, which is a nice unit if you think the tones will work for you.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=72497
I had not seen Guitarslinger's post for the Mesa V-Twin rack pre. Thanks for pointing me in that direction. I have never seen one, though, so I need to do a little research. I've never bonded with a Mesa amp, but a pre is a different animal and I need to check it out...


rlord1974":wou3eq76 said:
Zewango is selling a MINT blackface Rocktron Intellifex right now for only $125!
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=64598
I saw the post for the Intellifex. I have no first-hand knowledge of these units and wasn't sure if it would be right for me. Still thinking about it, though...


rlord1974":wou3eq76 said:
It's all there for the taking my man - you just gotta pull the trigger!!!
Once again, thanks for taking the time to post. Much appreciated...
:rock:
 
IndyWS6":2dcmppa1 said:
Greetings :)
Thanks for the research and the posting. Much appreciated...

rlord1974":2dcmppa1 said:
Code001 is selling an MP-1 and a Rocktron Multivalve (tube version of the Replifex)
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=72287&hilit=ADA
Code001's MP-1 is a modified version (3TM) and I was looking for a stock unit. And, as he described it, is a little rough. I saw the post but passed because of the condition...


rlord1974":2dcmppa1 said:
Filter500 is selling a VHT 2/50/2 with the 6L6/EL-34 switch.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=72286

Teqnick is also selling a VHT 2/50/2.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=71881
I have been watching both of the posts for the VHT 2/50/2 power amps and I am definitely interested. Poised to make offers...


rlord1974":2dcmppa1 said:
Guitarslinger is selling a mint Mesa V-Twin rack pre too, which is a nice unit if you think the tones will work for you.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=72497
I had not seen Guitarslinger's post for the Mesa V-Twin rack pre. Thanks for pointing me in that direction. I have never seen one, though, so I need to do a little research. I've never bonded with a Mesa amp, but a pre is a different animal and I need to check it out...


rlord1974":2dcmppa1 said:
Zewango is selling a MINT blackface Rocktron Intellifex right now for only $125!
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=64598
I saw the post for the Intellifex. I have no first-hand knowledge of these units and wasn't sure if it would be right for me. Still thinking about it, though...


rlord1974":2dcmppa1 said:
It's all there for the taking my man - you just gotta pull the trigger!!!
Once again, thanks for taking the time to post. Much appreciated...
:rock:

FWIW, I LOVE the Original BF Intellifex. I have one, and use it as a part of my little rig. VERY user friendly, KILLER 8 voice chorus, nice delays and reverbs-- the main staples of 80's tones. The only limiting factor for me is-- multiple things at one time, but you can take a chorus/reverb preset and adjust one or 2 of the chorus voices to have long 250mS (L) and 500mS (R) delay times and have a chorus, delay, reverb preset. There is NO lag time when switching presets, and the unit is quiet.
 
Zachman -
Thanks for the input. Much appreciated... You hit on the one thing that caught my eye when I was researching the unit; the limitation on the number of concurrent effects. I don't really have anything specific in mind where that would be an instant deal-breaker, though. I was considering a unit like the Alesis Midiverb 4, which is $199 new and supports four simultaneous effects. Do you have any thoughts on / experience with that device?
:rock:
 
IndyWS6":l8smf4bx said:
Zachman -
Thanks for the input. Much appreciated... You hit on the one thing that caught my eye when I was researching the unit; the limitation on the number of concurrent effects. I don't really have anything specific in mind where that would be an instant deal-breaker, though. I was considering a unit like the Alesis Midiverb 4, which is $199 new and supports four simultaneous effects. Do you have any thoughts on / experience with that device?
:rock:

No, sorry.... only with the old school midiverb, midiverb2 and quadraverb models. Perhaps you can find a deal on a used TC G-Major or G-Major 2. A bit more expensive, but perhaps worth checking into.
 
Thanks - I figured it was worth asking... :thumbsup:

I have an old Midiverb III and love the chorus on it, which is what had me considering the 4. The price seems reasonable, too. The Lexicon MX200 is the same price as the Midiverb 4, but can only do 2 simultaneous effects (if I read the specs correctly...). Again, I don't know that it would be a real-world limitation, but does make you go "hmm" when comparing the units side-by-side.

Take Care...
 
Update: :)
Hopefully, there will be some progress to report on Monday. I'm heading to Sweetwater's Gear Fest tomorrow morning with $$$. :thumbsup: Lots of things on the shopping list...

Turns out "guitarslinger" lives close by, so I'm going to meet him there to look at buying his Mesa V-Twin Rack Pre Amp. Would be a good addition to the rig :thumbsup:

Wish me luck :rock:
 
Progress :thumbsup:
Sweetwater's Gear Fest was a lot of fun. Lot's of cool guitars, amps and electronics. Plus, the seminars (I sat in on Pro Tools and recording-centric sessions exclusively), were great. Sean Halley, in particular, was interesting and informative. The dude sure knows his way around a Pro Tools console.

OK, on to the new gear :)
* Mesa V-Twin Rack Mount Pre Amp - purchased from "guitarslinger"

* Eleven Rack - As previously mentioned, I already have one in my recording desk, but it would be more than a little difficult to use outside of the studio. I thought about the Axe, but just couldn't justify the price difference. For what I do, the Eleven Rack is a solid choice. I also got a solid deal - Sweetwater had them marked down to $799

* Peavey PV231 EQ - I wanted a decent EQ in the rack and this one seemed to fit the needs. I compared it to Samson and DBX units, and they were very similar. The Peavey was less expensive AND Sweetwater had them marked down an additional $30. I would prefer to have one that was MIDI-addressable, but there is a huge jump in price to get to that kind of functionality.

* Voodoo Labs GCX Audio Switcher - Not a huge price break, but I saved $25 off the regular price.

* Voodoo Labs Ground Control Pro - Same as above; saved $25 off the regular price. Unfortunately, they were backordered, but I should get mine in about a week.

I considered buying a Lexicon MX200 or a Midiverb 4, but neither of them offer much over the Midiverb III I already have.

I also looked at a nice Pedaltrain pedal board and flight case, marked down to $249, but I was afraid it might be overkill for a GC Pro and a couple of expression pedals. I plan on using a sliding shelf to mount pedals in the rack (hence the GCX), but I may still get the Pedaltrain. Waffling on this one...

I still don't have a power amp. The search continues :confused:

Looking forward to the process of mounting and cabling everything :)
 
IndyWS6":xvgrlyoy said:
Update -
<rant>
The rack case was delivered yesterday by UPS - who seemed to feel the need to give it instant character. It's a flight case style 14U rack with four latches on each "door" and they somehow found a way to completely knock one of the doors off, inside the box, even though the latches were still (mostly) engaged :thumbsdown: Did they drop it to the tarmac while flying over the hub??? There are several knicks and a few small dents in the aluminum edging, a ding in the wood door panel and one of the ball corners is partially smashed. None of it is bad enough to go through the hassle of shipping it back and it won't affect the usability, but whatever happened to quality service?
</rant>
Ive NEVER had more problems with any other company Ive ever delt with then UPS!! I refuse to use them unless I have to!!
 
gbsmusic":29j1xol9 said:
IndyWS6":29j1xol9 said:
Update -
<rant>
The rack case was delivered yesterday by UPS - who seemed to feel the need to give it instant character. It's a flight case style 14U rack with four latches on each "door" and they somehow found a way to completely knock one of the doors off, inside the box, even though the latches were still (mostly) engaged :thumbsdown: Did they drop it to the tarmac while flying over the hub??? There are several knicks and a few small dents in the aluminum edging, a ding in the wood door panel and one of the ball corners is partially smashed. None of it is bad enough to go through the hassle of shipping it back and it won't affect the usability, but whatever happened to quality service?
</rant>
Ive NEVER had more problems with any other company Ive ever delt with then UPS!! I refuse to use them unless I have to!!
gbsmusic - greetings :)
I don't have a lot of recent experience with U.P.S., but your comments seem to echo others. I think Road Ready could have done a better job of packaging the rack case, but somewhere along the line U.P.S. gave up caring about the condition that it arrived in.

I see that you have a pair of Bogner 2x12 cabinets. What speakers are in them? Are you satisfied with the tone? I'm also planning on running a pair of 2x12 cabinets and don't really know which direction I'm heading...

Take Care :rock:
 
UPS managed to put a baseball sized hole into the outer and inner box of my new TC Electronic G-System. There is about 1/8" inch knick on the edge of the floor controller. They realized they did it too, because the taped over the hole several times, I didn't notice it until I pulled the inner box out!

If you've ever seen these controllers, they look like they are carved out of solid billet aluminum, not easy to scratch, dent or knick! The unit works fine, is not bent, or otherwise damaged other than the small knick - they got very lucky or this would have been shipped back the same day! I contacted TC Electronic and after confirming my unit is a new version with the new hardware input buffer (from the red limited edition), I decided to keep it. But still, WTF? did they run a forklift through the box or what! :confused:

UPS rant over.

Very cool that your rack is finally coming together.... :thumbsup:

I still have an MP-2 with the noise mod and shortened power cord available if you/anyone is interested. I thought I had it sold before, so I packed it up; the deal fell through, and the computer with the pics is dead (so I need to get the harddrive out of it, into an external enclosure to see if I can get the data off it!).


Zachman, thanks for posting all the great info in this thread! :rock:
 
rsm - Thanks...
I thought long and hard about the MP-2, but decided to go a different route. The Mesa V-Twin should make a great pre amp. Using it, along with the effects I plan on having in the rack, should give me a good "grind" tone. If I want to go after something different, I can stomp on the GC Pro and switch to the Eleven Rack.

I'm anxious to start installing and cabling everything. It might be a few days before I get started, but I plan to post pictures as I make progress.

Wish me luck... :rock:
 
Good to see it finally comin' together for ya'. I'll bet that "Gearfest" thing was pretty cool too! huh?
 
DioLives - Greetings :)

Gear Fest was awesome! Demonstrations, seminars, vendor trucks and tents, etc. Millions of $$$ in very cool toys :thumbsup:

I sat in on several of the presentations that were specific to Pro Tools recording and the Eleven Rack guitar processor (mostly because I now have two - and am just starting out with Pro Tools...). A guy named Sean Halley was doing the majority of the presentations I watched and he is a genius on a digital recording console – damn fine guitar player, too. When he fired-up the Pro Tools presentation, he laughed and said he wasn’t sure how they got it, but they were using the actual session for one of Kelly Clarkson's hits. I'm not a Kelly Clarkson fan, but it was cool to see how 100+ tracks of a familiar song came together. Powerful shit. Makes me wish I had chosen music production as a career about a hundred years ago when I was still smart enough to learn something new... :lol: :LOL:
 
I hear ya'!! sounz awesome!....I hadda' friend back home in VA that hadda' killer Mac G5 with protools HD and tons of pluginz, it was amazing, he hadda' little shed/studio outback or his house...even hadda' vocal booth back there. I just wish we had hadda' little better knowledge and command of the tools we had in front of us...but, it was fun nonetheless.

unfortunately, my recording skillz are "challenged" at best :doh:
 
I'm right there with you, but I have a good start with the tools I have. Now I just need to take the time to learn how to use them...
 
IndyWS6":2xavcn30 said:
I'm right there with you, but I have a good start with the tools I have. Now I just need to take the time to learn how to use them...


THIS is KEY...

Good for you, for doing it right. :yes: :rock:
 
Zachman":1nt51rdx said:
IndyWS6":1nt51rdx said:
I'm right there with you, but I have a good start with the tools I have. Now I just need to take the time to learn how to use them...


THIS is KEY...

Good for you, for doing it right. :yes: :rock:
Thank you, sir :thumbsup:

I was more than a little surprised by the depth of Pro Tools LE. Talk about a powerful tool! Avid occasionally hosts seminars that would be great to take part in, but the closest they've been to me is Chicago (about 5 hours). I'm hoping that they'll do some at Sweetwater in Ft. Wayne, which is about a 90 minute drive. It would also be great to find a well-written book on getting started with Pro tools. "Pro Tools for Dummies" if you will :D
 
Greetings :)

Power Amp Update: I bought a Mesa Simul 2:90 from a fellow forum member :thumbsup:

OK - A little Recap...
The rig building journey led me to a point where I wanted to have a rack with the equipment needed to emulate "Hair Metal" bands (the original goal) and a quality modeling unit to go after more "processed" sounds. Granted, the second part of the equation was added after the fact, but the additional flexibility of this approach should prove to be worth the effort and change in direction.

What I wanted to do with the rig was to have, essentially, two different amp “systems” inside of one rack; either of which I could select via a patch on the MIDI foot controller. More or less, this:

Scenario 1:
Mesa V-Twin --> Midiverb III --> Stomp Boxes --> EQ --> Power Amp L/R --> Dual 2x12 Cabs

Scenario 2:
Eleven Rack --> Midiverb III --> EQ --> Power Amp L/R --> Dual 2x12 Cabs

Because of the way that Mesa implemented channel switching on the V-Twin pre amp; it would take 6 separate loops on the GCX Audio Switcher to accommodate all of the voicing options. Even if I chose three “go to” settings clean/crunch/lead, for example), I’d need 3 loops to accommodate it. All of the processors and effects I bought are stereo (or in the case of the V-Twin, have L/R outputs…), so I would presumably need 2 loops for each piece of stereo gear. There are only 8 loops total on the GCX, so I have a problem. You can daisy-chain GCX’s to increase the loop count, but even with a second one I’d either run short or not leave room for future expansion. In addition to that, the signal routing to have two pre amps in the rack, and keep stereo separation, gets more than a little cumbersome. The best solution for that seems to be a rack mount line mixer. So, to do everything I wanted, I would need at least one more GCX (and limit the number of stomp boxes…), and a line mixer. That would be somewhere in the neighborhood of $600 on top of what I have already spent. I may consider that option in the future, but I can’t justify it right now.

Here’s what I’m going to do. Granted, this is somewhat of a knee-jerk change, but after thinking it through, it should be a pretty solid solution.

I still have my old (small) rack rig that has a 50-watt Peavey tube power amp and a Digitech GSP-21 guitar effect processor. The GSP-21 is old school, but it has a great footswitch and it works reasonably well for 80’s Hair Metal sounds. My only complaint with it was that it sounded solid-state (because it is…) and it lacked the balls that a tube pre amp has. If I put the Mesa pre amp in that rack and use the GSP-21 in the effects loop, I’d have a tube pre amp, a tube power amp and decent, albeit old school, effects. It would be a portable “Hair Metal” rig that would crank. That leaves all of the new equipment for the big rack. It will still be a challenge to connect and program, but it gets easier and less-expensive by moving the Mesa pre amp outboard. I would essentially have two amp systems – one “old school” tube-based 80’s rig and a “new tech” modeling rig with a kick-ass tube power section that should be able to do almost anything. The new rig would still have the control features like I listed in Scenario 1, I just wouldn’t be able to control both rigs via the same MIDI foot controller. And, if I wanted to, I could still use both systems live at the same time by routing the guitar output through a switcher to the input of each rack. It wouldn’t be quite as cool as selecting which chain of equipment I want via MIDI commands, but it’s a lot easier to do and quite a bit cheaper.

I started bolting the equipment in the racks yesterday - here are some pictures. The 1U at the top of the big rack is for a tuner. The 2U in the middle is for future effects expansion (but will be covered) and the 2U just above the power amp is for the slide-out shelf with stomp boxes.

Questions? Comments? I'm open to either. Constructive criticism is always welcome - let me know what you think

rock On :rock:
 

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Greetings :)
I finally found time to work on the rack last evening and made some progress. I figured the first place to start was with the power cord routing, so that's what I did. I have a background in server rack and data center builds, so I'm kind of particular when it comes to keeping power and signal cables separated. I'm also pretty anal about ensuring that cables be installed in a manner that prevents accidental disconnection. Consequently, I used several plastic mounts and wire ties to neatly route and secure everything. Wall warts tend to fall out of outlets because of their weight, so I drilled out one of the rivets on the rack mount PDU so I could install a plastic mount and secure the power source for the GCX. I'll have to do something similar for the power source for the Midiverb III (once I find it...).

Not all of the devices have the power cords on the same side of the chassis (naturally :doh: ), but routing power on the right and signal on the left seems to be the logical choice for this rack. I had to use some plastic mounts on a couple of pieces of gear to secure the power cord and route it to the right side of the rack. I still need to shorten the power cords on the plug end, install new plugs and connect them to the PDU.

It's not rocket surgery and it's not all that exciting, but it's progress and I thought I would share. One step closer to :rock:

Questions and comments welcome :thumbsup:
 

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