I like Tom Morello more than Eddie Van Halen...

[Craggin]

whats the topic fellas?

Stop trying to keep me on topic...you, of all people, know how abstract my mind is.

 

[dicky sofa]

making up for teh small pee-pee...

Copperhead...

Why the hollow-points?

 

[Odin]

I don't see whats wrong with people being idealistic? Theres obviously a better way of life than capitalism, it hasn't been realised yet. Are you so narrow sighted that in 1000 years you think that the human population are still going to be into capitalism, that it is the be all and end all of human social evolution?

Get over yourself mate!

It is also backwards looking, arrogant, loud and unwanted people like yourself that proclaim America as the finest coutnry in the world, that shits on everyone else that gives your country such a bad reputation. In Australia I'd bet more people would be distrusting of Americans than say, or Iraqi's. Sure it is a contentious issue but I think the SMALL section of American society that adopt your attitude need to change if you want to remain a great country.

I could care less what type of government people are using 1000 years from now, I'll be long gone by then. I do care what goes on in my country while I'm living here. If the future brings better things then I think that's great, in the present I don't want to see communism or sicialsim creep into my world if possible.

 

[Odin]

P226 is nice...some of my daily carry pistols include a P226 in .357Sig

Noice!

Here's a coupla my daily carries:

and my truck gun.......

I'm a GOA lifer.

I'm not worried about lefties in Australia or hippy freakazoids on this forum, 'cause they don't vote in our elections.

Nice revolvers...although I'm the world's only non-fan of the Glock I'm glad to see you're carrying a real caliber at least. They wouldn't let me carry that commie rifle though!

Here's my standard issue black rifle (with a little accessory for the lefties get bent about).

 

[Odin]

Copperhead...

Why the hollow-points?

Safety and liability. Handguns carried are typically for defensive purposes because they are portable, with the primary predator being defended against being human. Handguns are notoriously poor human stoppers though.

In the event that you have to defend yourself with a handgun your first concern is to stop the threat against you and the fastest and most reliable way to do that is to transfer maximum energy to the target threat. Hollow point bullets expand and have tightly controlled penetration. The expansion creates a larger projectile and improves the odds of stopping the threat quicker.

The controlled penetration addresses your second concern when using a firearm in defense - eliminating damage to non-threats. Using typical military style ball ammo or target ammo the bullet will easily pass through a human (or car door or wall, etc...) and possibly injure or kill an innocent party. Ball ammo is also more likely to ricochet whereas hollowpoints are more likely to fragment and lose their energy after striking something.

Hollowpoint bullets are safer for everyone (except the target threat) and more effective defensive rounds.

 

[CharFace]

Here's my standard issue black rifle (with a little accessory for the lefties get bent about).

I'm a "lefty," yet I luvs me some bayonets

Nice rifle

 

[CharFace]

Copperhead...

Why the hollow-points?

Safety and liability. Handguns carried are typically for defensive purposes because they are portable, with the primary predator being defended against being human. Handguns are notoriously poor human stoppers though.

In the event that you have to defend yourself with a handgun your first concern is to stop the threat against you and the fastest and most reliable way to do that is to transfer maximum energy to the target threat. Hollow point bullets expand and have tightly controlled penetration. The expansion creates a larger projectile and improves the odds of stopping the threat quicker.

The controlled penetration addresses your second concern when using a firearm in defense - eliminating damage to non-threats. Using typical military style ball ammo or target ammo the bullet will easily pass through a human (or car door or wall, etc...) and possibly injure or kill an innocent party. Ball ammo is also more likely to ricochet whereas hollowpoints are more likely to fragment and lose their energy after striking something.

Hollowpoint bullets are safer for everyone (except the target threat) and more effective defensive rounds.

+1

All of my carry pistols are loaded with hollow points. In fact I don't think I even own any ammo for any of my handguns that is not hollow point. Definitely a decent option for self/home protection when a shotgun is not at your disposal

 

[Odin]

Ammunition is getting scare and expensive with the ongoing war in Iraq. Many police departments are having shortages in practice ammo and are having to order early and stockpile to get through training. Copper prices are high right now, too. I keep thinking it's a good time to start reloading, as if I need another hobby.

 

[degenaro]

whats the topic fellas?

What we can't go off topic any more?!?!?!

 

[Code001]

Because they work better, and are far less likely to penetrate your target. The energy is transfered to the tissue much more efficiently as the projectile expands, therefor it uses all its' energy inside the target and does not continue to travel through.

No shit...I never knew that.


Since we're off topic anyway...how long does it take to get a handgun licence/permit? I was just informed that I inherited 2 pistols...a Walther P38 and a Luger P08.

Depends on your state. I'm not sure about NY laws, but here in FL I was able to get mine in about 4 weeks after I took the "class" thanks to electronic fingerprinting and the like.

Uhhh...we don't have handgun licenses in FL. Anyone who isn't a felon can walk into a gun store (assuming they're 21) and purchase a handgun right then and there. There's no state-wide waiting law, either. It's enforced county by county with certain counties not even having a waiting period. I think you're confusing your CCW with a license to actually own a gun like in some of the harsher states (NY, CA, etc.).

 

[Odin]

Uhhh...we don't have handgun licenses in FL.

You have concealed carry licenses, but not firearms registration.

Anyone who isn't a felon can walk into a gun store (assuming they're 21) and purchase a handgun right then and there.

Negative. A licensed firearms dealer (i.e. gun store) is required to have the buyer fill out the federal form, contact the FBI and do a NICS check before selling a handgun to anyone.

There's no state-wide waiting law, either. It's enforced county by county with certain counties not even having a waiting period. I think you're confusing your CCW with a license to actually own a gun like in some of the harsher states (NY, CA, etc.).

Actually, the NICS check makes it possible that someone would have to wait 3 days (or more under certain circumstances) before buying a handgun. I don't know about Florida, but in Texas if you have a CHL or are a police officer you don't have to do the NICS check and you can just take your handgun immediately upon purchase. The FBI's "instant" background check isn't always "instant".

 

[CharFace]

Uhhh...we don't have handgun licenses in FL. Anyone who isn't a felon can walk into a gun store (assuming they're 21) and purchase a handgun right then and there. There's no state-wide waiting law, either. It's enforced county by county with certain counties not even having a waiting period. I think you're confusing your CCW with a license to actually own a gun like in some of the harsher states (NY, CA, etc.).

I just assumed (possibly erroneously) that he was talking about a CCW, which I know NY frowns upon. I formally apologize for my apparent sloth and ignorance

I also live in a county which enforces a 7 day waiting period, so I tend to recommend a CCW to everyone who is interested while we can still get 'em

 

[Copperhead]

THIS THREAD ROCKS!!!

I HAVE BIG GUNS CUZ MAGNUM SUPERSONIC SHOCK WAVES RULE!!!

...........not because I have a small penis. That's why I have a BIG AMP

 

[Code001]

You have concealed carry licenses, but not firearms registration.

If you would have read on, you would have known what I was referring to.

Negative. A licensed firearms dealer (i.e. gun store) is required to have the buyer fill out the federal form, contact the FBI and do a NICS check before selling a handgun to anyone.

As long as they have a clean record, ANYONE can purchase a gun. It's as simple as that. Just because they have to fill out a 4473 form doesn't mean jack shit.

Actually, the NICS check makes it possible that someone would have to wait 3 days (or more under certain circumstances) before buying a handgun. I don't know about Florida, but in Texas if you have a CHL or are a police officer you don't have to do the NICS check and you can just take your handgun immediately upon purchase. The FBI's "instant" background check isn't always "instant".

Last time I purchased a rifle (which was back in 02), there was no waiting period. Who knows, maybe it changed. However, I did not experience one in my county.

 

[Code001]

Uhhh...we don't have handgun licenses in FL. Anyone who isn't a felon can walk into a gun store (assuming they're 21) and purchase a handgun right then and there. There's no state-wide waiting law, either. It's enforced county by county with certain counties not even having a waiting period. I think you're confusing your CCW with a license to actually own a gun like in some of the harsher states (NY, CA, etc.).

I just assumed (possibly erroneously) that he was talking about a CCW, which I know NY frowns upon. I formally apologize for my apparent sloth and ignorance

I also live in a county which enforces a 7 day waiting period, so I tend to recommend a CCW to everyone who is interested while we can still get 'em

Next year, I'll be getting mine.

 

[Copperhead]

GEEEZ!

Glad I live in Arizona!!!
Gotta renew my CCW next year. Cops love 'em cuz when you get pulled over, they know your a 'good guy'. It's like a Get Out Of A Ticket Free card!

 

[CharFace]

GEEEZ!

Glad I live in Arizona!!!
Gotta renew my CCW next year. Cops love 'em cuz when you get pulled over, they know your a 'good guy'. It's like a Get Out Of A Ticket Free card!

I always figured they'd give you more crap if you had a CCW

Although I've never been pulled over in FL (yet )

 

[Copperhead]

At least here, they know you cleared an FBI background check, aren't a felon, and don't have any outstanding warrants.......

 

[Odin]

You have concealed carry licenses, but not firearms registration.

If you would have read on, you would have known what I was referring to.

Negative. A licensed firearms dealer (i.e. gun store) is required to have the buyer fill out the federal form, contact the FBI and do a NICS check before selling a handgun to anyone.

As long as they have a clean record, ANYONE can purchase a gun. It's as simple as that. Just because they have to fill out a 4473 form doesn't mean jack shit.

In this post you said "ANYONE can purchase a gun", in the last post you said "Anyone who isn't a felon can walk into a gun store (assuming they're 21) and purchase a handgun right then and there." This is a difference between a "gun" and a "handgun". Handguns are much more strictly regulated in the US than long guns (rifles and shotguns).

In addition to filling out the yellow sheet the buyer is required to pass a NICS background check with the FBI before the sale of a handgun can proceed.

Actually, the NICS check makes it possible that someone would have to wait 3 days (or more under certain circumstances) before buying a handgun. I don't know about Florida, but in Texas if you have a CHL or are a police officer you don't have to do the NICS check and you can just take your handgun immediately upon purchase. The FBI's "instant" background check isn't always "instant".

Last time I purchased a rifle (which was back in 02), there was no waiting period. Who knows, maybe it changed. However, I did not experience one in my county.[/quote]

That was a rifle, you were talking about handguns in your previous post.

 

[Odin]

GEEEZ!

Glad I live in Arizona!!!
Gotta renew my CCW next year. Cops love 'em cuz when you get pulled over, they know your a 'good guy'. It's like a Get Out Of A Ticket Free card!

Not exactly, but it doesn't hurt your chances with most officers. Your attitude is the main factor in whether or not you get a ticket if you get stopped by a patrol officer. If you get stopped by a traffic unit you're probably getting a ticket no matter what.