SpiderWars
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Merle Travis. They split in ‘83 tho.
JerEvil
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Oh you and me both on all counts.
Greazygeo
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So he was pushing shoes? “Master the Dark Arts in my New Balance TI model shoe”.we know no one ever shilled for gear they dont use in magazines ever, never ever
IHateRap
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It wasn’t financially feasible to continue to have both Fluff and Petrucci on the roster. Sometimes tough decisions need to be made. It must really sting that John has the beard edge as well.
thegame
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Attention Ernie Ball guitars!
anomaly
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Maybe he should think about his actions over a nice cup of tea.
shar-vell Dan
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avastcosmicarena
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I have nothing against Fluff. Seems like a nice guy to me. I'm friends with him on FB, but never talked to him. That's unfortunate that happened, but, at the end of the day, most companies aren't going to like anyone saying or doing anything publicly that makes them look bad, especially if they have some kind of endorsement deal with the person. You can't really blame them. These are business deals, after all.
acceptance
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That's true but unless there was more to the story how does it help Mesa/Gibson to fire him? Guitarists and content creators are not really corporate businessmen. So Fluff f'd up. So what. He took it down, people make mistakes. To me it is an even larger mistake from a business standpoint to totally axe a prominent fanboy like this.
TheGreatGreen
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I don't agree with the people saying Fluff should have known better and therefore the eternal blackballing was completely justified.
Was it the most strategic decision he could have made? Probably not. However, Fluff is loyal to Mesa, not Gibson, and he was doing what he thought was right, because his perception was that Randall Smith, arguably the single person to whom all of us owe more than anyone in the business, was unjustifiably wronged and treated like disposable trash by a parent company who doesn't know shit about amplification. Did Randall sell his company and therefore the right to stick around? Absolutely. But just because it's expected for a corporation to be filled to the brim with the most soulless pieces of shit imaginable who would sell their own mothers for a nickel and literally always treat people as horribly as they can possibly get away with doesn't mean it's right.
Fluff wasn't being a gossiping drama queen, he was doing what he believed was right by a person to whom he feels a great degree of loyalty, and that's not nothing.
Besides, it's not like Gibson didn't have the option of, I dunno, maybe not going full nuclear first thing out the gate. Ever heard of this wild thing called a "middle ground?" Something like "you lose your partnership for a year" or 3 years, or whatever. Public apology, etc.
But nah fuck it, full on excommunication forever, immediately. The decision was not only rash but stupid, because again, Fluff has a huge audience and is a self-proclaimed Recto nut and even has a damn "history of the Rectifier series" website he pays for himself and everything. And this firing comes right before Mesa's biggest Recto release for the better part of two decades.
Fuck Gibson. They're assholes and idiots.
edit: Gibson's overreaction also suggests Fluff was 100% correct, btw. It betrays Gibson's embarrassment about being exposed for doing something so shitty to Randall, otherwise they wouldn't have had such an extreme knee jerk reaction about Fluff's statement.
Was it the most strategic decision he could have made? Probably not. However, Fluff is loyal to Mesa, not Gibson, and he was doing what he thought was right, because his perception was that Randall Smith, arguably the single person to whom all of us owe more than anyone in the business, was unjustifiably wronged and treated like disposable trash by a parent company who doesn't know shit about amplification. Did Randall sell his company and therefore the right to stick around? Absolutely. But just because it's expected for a corporation to be filled to the brim with the most soulless pieces of shit imaginable who would sell their own mothers for a nickel and literally always treat people as horribly as they can possibly get away with doesn't mean it's right.
Fluff wasn't being a gossiping drama queen, he was doing what he believed was right by a person to whom he feels a great degree of loyalty, and that's not nothing.
Besides, it's not like Gibson didn't have the option of, I dunno, maybe not going full nuclear first thing out the gate. Ever heard of this wild thing called a "middle ground?" Something like "you lose your partnership for a year" or 3 years, or whatever. Public apology, etc.
But nah fuck it, full on excommunication forever, immediately. The decision was not only rash but stupid, because again, Fluff has a huge audience and is a self-proclaimed Recto nut and even has a damn "history of the Rectifier series" website he pays for himself and everything. And this firing comes right before Mesa's biggest Recto release for the better part of two decades.
Fuck Gibson. They're assholes and idiots.
edit: Gibson's overreaction also suggests Fluff was 100% correct, btw. It betrays Gibson's embarrassment about being exposed for doing something so shitty to Randall, otherwise they wouldn't have had such an extreme knee jerk reaction about Fluff's statement.
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acceptance
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If it was this then I can see firing as justified. A business can't have a spokesperson of sorts taking sides and weighing in on management decisions. It's obvious Fluff would have been disappointed though, and maybe that played into his confirming the rumor.
TheGreatGreen
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Nah, people wouldn't have figured it out. It would have stayed unknown, especially now with Randall himself posting all these videos talking about all the great memories he made at the company.
Again, Gibson didn't have to go full nuclear. Even if they wanted to fire him, they can't deny he's an asset from which they would benefit. As far as I can see, the only thing this does is prove Gibson is run by a bunch of petulant children who think they're hotter shit than they are. And if their awful, tone deaf IIC+ RI and Recto RI campaigns didn't already confirm that, this definitely does.
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acceptance
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Agree. It appears it was a bad business move, but if Fluff was taking sides in contentious management issues it doesn't surprise me that he got unceremoniously booted. I don't know their performance, but I can't imagine that Gibson needs him. If on the other hand it was just a stupid mistake I think he should have been forgiven, perhaps with demotion as you said. I guess we can say for sure that it's bad PR at this point and they should fix that.
easstudios
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I think overall, any “damage” Fluff may have caused by telling the truth (whether Gibson like it or not) is pretty minuscule to how much interest he was regularly drumming up for Mesa products. They had a fairly prominent youtuber doing essentially free advertising for them. Now Marshall and others will just get extra attention.
If that’s their response to someone telling the truth, something like that was bound to happen sooner or later and he’s probably better off not dealing with them.
Pretty clear now that anyone shilling for Mesa/Gibson is not free to say what they want, and those continuing to work with them should remember how they treat people in these situations.
If that’s their response to someone telling the truth, something like that was bound to happen sooner or later and he’s probably better off not dealing with them.
Pretty clear now that anyone shilling for Mesa/Gibson is not free to say what they want, and those continuing to work with them should remember how they treat people in these situations.
GearGasms
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I usually get my zZounds orders in one or two days. The warehouse they ship from is only maybe 5 hours away or so. On budget? Their prices are the same as Sweetwater, Musicians Friend and AMS, so not sure what that is about. I love SW too and buy for them as well. I've had the same guy there for 16 years. I was just highlighting the difference in how the two companies treat YT guitar douches like myself.
shar-vell Dan
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As for Fluff you go Bro. Whenever one door closes something else of opportunity knocks.
Apparently Gibb felt threatned enough to bear down the full weight of the Gibson machine on lil ole Fluffy for just saying what he felt which everyone else was too.
You go girl.
I noticed Gibson didn't do the totally Nuclear option when trump posed [imagine that dt a poser] with a Chinese LP i know he got a C & D letter.
So much Corporate ass needs to be whipped its not funny.
Rex Rocker
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He's looking more and more like the How do you do, fellow kids meme, LOL.
the rossness
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Shows what a shitty company Gibson is. I
NewWorldMan
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That’s not true. There’s a whole lot of 50-year-old men very upset because someone was mean to their favorite YouTuber.
Spaceboy
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It's funny how this forum in particular turns on any regular who goes out and makes a buck on a YouTube.
Sucks for Fluff. I love Mesa amps but the firing of Randall has been a sore issue, I'm reluctant to buy anything new until I see forward progress under Gibson' rule... unlikely to happen though.
Sucks for Fluff. I love Mesa amps but the firing of Randall has been a sore issue, I'm reluctant to buy anything new until I see forward progress under Gibson' rule... unlikely to happen though.