Metallica’s Rigs 2023 tour

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Despite the context here being Metallica the greater theme is obviously the real amp versus modeler for us reg ass dudes is what were after. I'll be the 1st to post live tones. Using the FM9




Sound ck and some live footage that is not as good as the sound ck. My conclusion - the FM9 worked but it's not as a full or pleasing overall, No one in the house or band new the diff

 
thegame said:
I’m sorry but I’ve been to shows where there were opening bands using tube amps whilst the headliners were all digital. The digital stuff cut through fine and was more than audible but EVERY time had no impact and punch whatsoever compared to the real amps. Three examples off the top of my head:

- Sepultura (tube amps), Prong and Testament (Kempers)
- Sacred Reich (Kemper), Municipal Waste and Exciter (tube amps)
- Some local band lol (tube amps) opening for Megadeth circa 2014, or 15 (AxeFx)
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Philhouse said:
I wonder how much of the idea to go Fractal was even James.
He seems pretty pragmatic about his amps. If it sounds good then generally stick with it. Marshall, Mesa, Diezel, Wizard over time. Anything else is usually only peripheral studio use in searching for that extra spice. He doesn't seem to be the kind to constantly tone search. I would bet apart from his Marshalls being stolen and him starting anew, he was mostly exposed to these different amps by friends or producers and he ended up bonding with them, rather than chasing endless avenues. Get a kick arse sound from an amp and just get on with writing songs and touring.

Did Fractal woo him and the team over into switching? He's a huge score for their brand for sure.
Their justification that it's more cost effective for touring doesn't wash for me either. How about taking one less of the fkn huge jumbo screens or reducing a small part of the elaborate stage to offset the cost of shipping a couple of extra containers of amp gear? It's not the pissy cost of shipping around some amp heads. If they were tight on money then the stages and screens wouldn't keep increasing each tour.
The reason people go to a concert is for the band and the music, that should be the priority, not the 6th 100ft screen or frikken black beach balls (wtf was with that shit anyway). Get the guys in best shape for performing and make them sound great, the rest of the show is just for girlfriends in the crowd.
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probably the roadies were like this roukd be easier on our jobs
 
Hahahaha I know when I don’t care about a disagreement and don’t want to single someone out, the first thing I do is quote their post, insult them, disagree with their post and then when they counter it, insult them again and tell them I didn’t single them out. :LOL:

Too fucking funny.
 
RevDrucifer said:
Hahahaha I know when I don’t care about a disagreement and don’t want to single someone out, the first thing I do is quote their post, insult them, disagree with their post and then when they counter it, insult them again and tell them I didn’t single them out. :LOL:

Too fucking funny.
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I agree. Too fuckin funny.

I’ll try to me more like you in the future.
 
gtrwun said:
NEWSFLASH…..

I couldn’t care less if we disagree.
Your the simpleton that had to respond to my post about the digital police defending the tech. I didn’t single you, or anyone else out.

If you think this is me having a tantrum, your grossly misinterpreting the tone of my words. Maybe your projecting your own feelings upon my text?
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Gotta love the phrase "your the simpleton" lol.

As for the tantrum? You called me a "nimtard" whatever the fuck that means, and a simpleton, so yeah I'd call that a tantrum.
 
I mean we're talking about live sound here, where there are a ton of variables. What we really need to talk about is their recent album tones.

Old Jose modded Marshall really sound like shit don't they?
 
Candiria said:
I mean we're talking about live sound here, where there are a ton of variables. What we really need to talk about is their recent album tones.

Old Jose modded Marshall really sound like shit don't they?
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Only to the digital realm...
 
gtrwun said:
Yeah, sure.
There are SO MANY people that don’t know what they are talking about on this forum?????

You sound exactly like one of these overly political nimtards that shouts their opinion 24-7 to anyone that will listen……..insisting that ANYONE who doesn’t agree with them, surely doesn’t know shit from shineola.

I personally could care less about what technology or amps anyone uses. It either sounds good or it doesn’t.
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There regally ARE a lot of people who don’t have a clue about anything giving out advice…. Sooooo yea, @TheGreatGreen is spot on. Guitar forums in general are notorious for having the most ridiculous conversations that no one in the real world even thinks or talks about, it’s beyond ridiculous. No one is getting upset at OPINIONS on tone, why is this so hard for you people to understand? We are simply calling out the bullshit that people who play in their bedroom spew here. Sorry if that offends anyone, but it’s the truth. Talking shit about Metallica using fractals and blaming the units for metallicas tone is the equivalent of sitting on the couch eating Cheetos in your moms basement talking shit about Olympic athletes on tv.
 
cragginshred77 said:
Despite the context here being Metallica the greater theme is obviously the real amp versus modeler for us reg ass dudes is what were after. I'll be the 1st to post live tones. Using the FM9




Sound ck and some live footage that is not as good as the sound ck. My conclusion - the FM9 worked but it's not as a full or pleasing overall, No one in the house or band new the diff

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I thought you were out of this ?? I still have an open offer for a true blind test up here in NH—I’m sure Fractal would jump in and get involved (since I have no modeler only a bunch of tube amps). I’ll put up money and I’m sure they will as well. Let’s get a group to put their money where their mouth is and do a modeling/tube amp shootout! In person, though the same PA, same volumes, just be able to identify “true tube tone” which sounds like many here can do easily.

Same exercise, two different rigs same venue:

AXEFXII:


Friedman:
 
cragginshred77 said:
Despite the context here being Metallica the greater theme is obviously the real amp versus modeler for us reg ass dudes is what were after. I'll be the 1st to post live tones. Using the FM9




Sound ck and some live footage that is not as good as the sound ck. My conclusion - the FM9 worked but it's not as a full or pleasing overall, No one in the house or band new the diff

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BTW @cragginshred77 is a guy that backs his shit up—props. Don’t bloviate about tone if you don’t have the balls to post your own. In this example tho I gotta say your Fractal recording sounds like it was from an old Android phone in someone’s pocket and you got the fill in sound guy—agreed, tone is anemic. Not gonna blame modeling here
 
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Candiria said:
I mean we're talking about live sound here, where there are a ton of variables. What we really need to talk about is their recent album tones.

Old Jose modded Marshall really sound like shit don't they?
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Yes. Unfortunately that particular Jose Marshall used on 72 Seasons, the way it was dialed in, and the way it was recorded...does sound like shit I'm afraid.
 
lespaul6 said:
I have noticed a cult like digital crowd that will not allow for anyone to have a different opinion on live sound... I'm sorry, I can tell the difference and I don't like it. And I'm entitled to hold my opinion as they are to theirs.
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The only opinions that reasonable people question are inexperienced opinions. Which are exactly like a cult—herd driven, based on preconception and usually loaded with a crying need for justification. I see that on the modeling boards as well, it’s just that RT is the tube side of the fence.

You say, “I can tell the difference“—usually my first question is, “do you have any actual experience with top line modelers?”
 
lespaul6 said:
I have noticed a cult like digital crowd that will not allow for anyone to have a different opinion on live sound... I'm sorry, I can tell the difference and I don't like it. And I'm entitled to hold my opinion as they are to theirs.
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Lol…. SURE you can.
 
You know who else used tube amps live? Every god damn nu Metal band from the late 90s, and early 2000s…. I’m sure those shows were all the pinnacle of all that is guitar tone, weren’t they?






On that note, given the above historical fact, tube amps fucking suck ass, ESPECIALLY live. I could TOTALLY tell that garbage ass band godsmack was using those shitty tube amps live, I just KNEW it, and THATS why they sounded like shit….








See how ridiculous that sounds? I’m pretty sure this argument is over.
 
tallcoolone said:
The only opinions that reasonable people question are inexperienced opinions. Which are exactly like a cult—herd driven, based on preconception and usually loaded with a crying need for justification. I see that on the modeling boards as well, it’s just that RT is the tube side of the fence.

You say, “I can tell the difference“—usually my first question is, “do you have any actual experience with top line modelers?”
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yes, I have experience with top line modelers. I can hear these top line modelers with my ears and I form my own opinions based on these sense perceptions. It might not agree with your subjective opinion and that's ok.
 
I used to be very skeptical about the Fractal stuff, but the latest videos I’ve seen of Def Leppard sound really good, and they’re using Axe FX III. So those can be dialed in to sound killer. I used to turn my nose up at those, but I admit, they sound really good.
 
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