nbarts
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With all due respect if every human being on this planet was on the level of my "moral compass" the profession called police officer would be automatically withdrawn.
Thanks for trying anyway.
With all due respect if every human being on this planet was on the level of my "moral compass" the profession called police officer would be automatically withdrawn.
Thanks for trying anyway.
Shawn Lutz
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Odin":0c2a6 said:Shawn Lutz":0c2a6 said:STEEL KAGE":0c2a6 said:Odin, youre a cop? If the way you present yourself is any indication, I have a strong suspicion that youre one of the dickheads. I could be wrong of course but that just doesnt really happen.
hmmm...maybe... condescending tone and belittling language (name calling) displayed in this thread may suggest exactly as you claim.
I haven't belittled anyone, although I might not have been the most tolerant of the guy who started his post with "I don't give a fuck about the law" and then proceeded to explain how his moral compass should supercede any law.
Most cops are like a mirror when you get pulled over - you act like an asshole and you get an asshole back, you act polite and you get polite back. Of course there will be exceptions to this, like anything, but in general I have found that people (including police) tend to respond the way they are treated.
fair enough
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Odin
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nbarts":edf35 said:
You're saying that if everyone in the world did exactly as you do that things would be all peaches and cream?
I certainly hope you aren't holding your breath waiting for the planet to fall in with your morals and all live happily ever after. Hint - it ain't gonna happen.
Back in the real world, police will always have job security because humans are a diverse group that includes many predators and many prey.
moronmountain
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sah5150":feb77 said:moronmountain":feb77 said:sah5150":feb77 said:
I feel the same way myself!
Steve
No one likes a brown noser.
You misunderstood me. I meant that ME being wrong never really happens. I agreed with illustrious STEEL one's point of view in this regard... Please make a note of this.
Note to self.......... Dude was brown nos........... erm agreeing with Kage.
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Anonymous
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moronmountain":1c7b7 said:Note to self.......... Dude was brown nos........... erm agreeing with Kage.
Gotcha!
Steve
nbarts
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Being on the same level in no way means doing the same thing. You are completely missing my point.
If you check some history, which I'm sure you already have, there have always been stupid laws & law enforcement officers were the ones executing them. Some of them caused death of people that today you would consider innocent. If you think that current law is stupidity free then you have been terribly brainwashed.
No, not really. The best I can hope is that actions of blind law enforcement won't put us back into slavery.
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Odin
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nbarts":30dfc said:
There are more stupid laws than I can count. None of them were enacted by police. Blame the lawyers (a great many legislators are lawyers as well).
The average cop probably ignores hundreds of technical violations per shift, so it's not like the police are out there enforcing the law to the letter.
Also, what some people don't get is that the police don't have to make an arrest or issue a citation for every offense they encounter - talking to someone is still considered taking police action. Cops don't go out every night looking to jam people up. If you live in an area like Dallas the cops don't do anything but chase calls all night because the call backlog is there before your shift starts and the calls are still holding when you get off work, it's a never ending thing.
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Anonymous
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I found that my dealings with cops improved dramatically when I cut my hair. Just an observation...
Steve
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Hapless
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Oblivion DC":1aca8 said:
Wow!! I'm going to start a blog about....oh, I don't know....scumbag teachers. Or maybe scumbag lawyers. Or scumbag construction workers. Or scumbag store clerks. And I'll base it on inaccurate media reports filled with half truths, outright misrepresentation of facts and emotional quotes from "victims." Then I'll complain when the investigation doesn't go the way my agenda says it should.
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Odin
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Oblivion DC":03ae3 said:
That site is hilarious. They took news stories and spun them against the police, but the best part is the outrageous headlines they made up for each story. You know that site has got to be run by someone that is pissed that he got arrested.
Oblivion DC
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Well lookie lookie - I guess there are consequences for your actions. I wonder what would have happened if there hadn't been a recording released to the world. Probably would have blown off his complaints as an exaggeration and busted him on some kind of made up offense.
Bad cop! No Donut.
Police officer taped ranting at driver fired
ST. GEORGE, Missouri (AP) -- A police sergeant whose berating of a driver was captured on videotape has been fired.
Aldermen in the town of St. George, a St. Louis suburb, voted 5-0 in a closed meeting Monday to fire Sgt. James Kuehnlein. Notice of the firing was posted Wednesday at City Hall.
Kuehnlein's attorney, Travis L. Noble, said the officer received a letter Thursday detailing the reasons for his firing. Noble said he would review the letter with Kuehnlein before deciding on a course of action.
Brett Darrow, 20, had a video recorder inside his car when Kuehnlein approached him in a commuter lot in the early hours of September 7.
In a video that was widely viewed on the Internet, Kuehnlein is heard taunting and threatening Darrow, sometimes shouting and using profanity.
"It's what I wanted the whole time," Darrow told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. "The conduct was not forgivable."
Police Chief Scott Uhrig said he recommended that Kuehnlein be fired based both on his language in the tape and because he violated department policy when he failed to tape the encounter himself with his police car's camera.
Bad cop! No Donut.
Police officer taped ranting at driver fired
ST. GEORGE, Missouri (AP) -- A police sergeant whose berating of a driver was captured on videotape has been fired.
Aldermen in the town of St. George, a St. Louis suburb, voted 5-0 in a closed meeting Monday to fire Sgt. James Kuehnlein. Notice of the firing was posted Wednesday at City Hall.
Kuehnlein's attorney, Travis L. Noble, said the officer received a letter Thursday detailing the reasons for his firing. Noble said he would review the letter with Kuehnlein before deciding on a course of action.
Brett Darrow, 20, had a video recorder inside his car when Kuehnlein approached him in a commuter lot in the early hours of September 7.
In a video that was widely viewed on the Internet, Kuehnlein is heard taunting and threatening Darrow, sometimes shouting and using profanity.
"It's what I wanted the whole time," Darrow told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. "The conduct was not forgivable."
Police Chief Scott Uhrig said he recommended that Kuehnlein be fired based both on his language in the tape and because he violated department policy when he failed to tape the encounter himself with his police car's camera.
nbarts
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More of them on tape!!! I'm buying a camera.
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Odin
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The way that officer acted I don't know of any police department in my area that wouldn't have fired him. He screwed up and he paid the price. I don't really see anything unusual about that, people screw up and get fired every day and that's exactly what should happen.
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BOOGIE444
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nbarts":163c2 said:Fuck cops! I have to get a camera too & tape these crapbags. What you see in video is nothing, I had really ridiculous things happening to me & when I tell people they think I'm making it up.
Doing their job?!!!!!!!!! I had burglary in my studio 3 weeks ago, you know what they did when they came in??? NOTHING! Just wrote a report & left. I asked them I don't know how many times to take fingerprints, footprints that were all over the place. You know what they told me??? Without even checking - there is no prints.
Today I had detective calling me, questioning me like a suspect, like I'm the one who made it up, when I didn't even have anything insured.
That's their job??? FUCK THEM!!!!!!!
Yay but you know whats even dumber than that, if you would have defended your house from a robbery it would have been illegal and they would have thrown your ass in jail for "taking the law into your own hands" and then the bugeralar would sue you after that.
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Odin
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BOOGIE444":0371f said:nbarts":0371f said:Fuck cops! I have to get a camera too & tape these crapbags. What you see in video is nothing, I had really ridiculous things happening to me & when I tell people they think I'm making it up.
Doing their job?!!!!!!!!! I had burglary in my studio 3 weeks ago, you know what they did when they came in??? NOTHING! Just wrote a report & left. I asked them I don't know how many times to take fingerprints, footprints that were all over the place. You know what they told me??? Without even checking - there is no prints.
Today I had detective calling me, questioning me like a suspect, like I'm the one who made it up, when I didn't even have anything insured.
That's their job??? FUCK THEM!!!!!!!
Yay but you know whats even dumber than that, if you would have defended your house from a robbery it would have been illegal and they would have thrown your ass in jail for "taking the law into your own hands" and then the bugeralar would sue you after that.
Total horse shit.
Oblivion DC
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Odin":82c15 said:BOOGIE444":82c15 said:nbarts":82c15 said:Fuck cops! I have to get a camera too & tape these crapbags. What you see in video is nothing, I had really ridiculous things happening to me & when I tell people they think I'm making it up.
Doing their job?!!!!!!!!! I had burglary in my studio 3 weeks ago, you know what they did when they came in??? NOTHING! Just wrote a report & left. I asked them I don't know how many times to take fingerprints, footprints that were all over the place. You know what they told me??? Without even checking - there is no prints.
Today I had detective calling me, questioning me like a suspect, like I'm the one who made it up, when I didn't even have anything insured.
That's their job??? FUCK THEM!!!!!!!
Yay but you know whats even dumber than that, if you would have defended your house from a robbery it would have been illegal and they would have thrown your ass in jail for "taking the law into your own hands" and then the bugeralar would sue you after that.
Total horse shit.
Not "total" horse shit. There are still some jurisdictions that will fuck you for not withdrawing as far as possible before engaging but, by and large, the trend seems to be going towards "no obligation to retreat" in most places in the US. I don't know of any jurisdictions where you can shoot someone in order to protect your property though, and if that's the statement you make to justify a shooting - well good luck in court. As far as suing you for harm to the invader, that's a civil court thing, not criminal. Anyone can sue you for any reason. It may not hold up in court but it'll cost you a bundle to defend yourself.
I hear it's lots worse in other countries, like England. The police there will arrest you for defending yourself and the courts will jail or fine you or both. No idea where Boogie444 is from though, so I couldn't tell you what his experience may have been.
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Odin
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Oblivion DC":105a6 said:
Welcome to the State of Texas, where using deadly force to prevent misdemeanor theft or misdemeanor criminal mischief at night is defense to prosecution.
§ 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is
justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or
tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the
other under Section 9.41; and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the
deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of
arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the
nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing
immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated
robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the
property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or
recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to
protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or
another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.
Oblivion DC":105a6 said:
Yes, anyone can sue anyone for anything. But dead burglars rarely sue anyone.
Oblivion DC":105a6 said:
My comments are only applicable to free citizens of the US, subjects in other countries will be governed under different statutes.
nbarts
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Odin
Whether you are a police officer or not you seem to be a decent person, but man you have to admit there are some morons out there & in some cases a lot of them.
It happened so that I found some of my gear in a pawn shop & I found who was the person who took it there. You know after your posts I've tried to be a nice guy, so I called the police to come over & take care of this. You won't believe what kind of hard time they have been giving me, I had to literally yell at the guy on the phone so he sent someone there, otherwise he just kept saying that I can't be sure that that's my equipment. The guy who finally came had some terrible attitude, I had such a hard time to convince him that that was my gear & I was totally treated like a suspect. I've provided receipts, serial numbers, pictures from my studio, they got the tape from cameras in the shop, they have everything they would ever need. It's been 2 weeks I called the detective to ask if they got them yet, he said no. Now they are holding my gear from pawn shop in police department & don't even go to take these guys. I feel like I should buy my gear from pawn shop & go beat the hell out of them instead of this bullshit.
Whether you are a police officer or not you seem to be a decent person, but man you have to admit there are some morons out there & in some cases a lot of them.
It happened so that I found some of my gear in a pawn shop & I found who was the person who took it there. You know after your posts I've tried to be a nice guy, so I called the police to come over & take care of this. You won't believe what kind of hard time they have been giving me, I had to literally yell at the guy on the phone so he sent someone there, otherwise he just kept saying that I can't be sure that that's my equipment. The guy who finally came had some terrible attitude, I had such a hard time to convince him that that was my gear & I was totally treated like a suspect. I've provided receipts, serial numbers, pictures from my studio, they got the tape from cameras in the shop, they have everything they would ever need. It's been 2 weeks I called the detective to ask if they got them yet, he said no. Now they are holding my gear from pawn shop in police department & don't even go to take these guys. I feel like I should buy my gear from pawn shop & go beat the hell out of them instead of this bullshit.
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Odin
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nbarts":0fb26 said:
I don't know all the details so my comments are based only on the sketchy info you posted here. I also don't know how big the police department is where you are, or how many officers and detectives they have to work property crimes.
The police exist ideally to preserve and protect life and property and maintain peace and order. Ideally the police are proactive and attempt to deter crime and catch criminals. That's in an ideal world. We don't live in an ideal world, and most police departments are force to go from proactive to reactive, not by choice but by necessity.
I can tell you that, unfortunately, most police departments are understaffed and overworked, so calls and crimes are prioritized based on possibly life threatening situations at the top, then in-progress non-life threatening situations next, and finally non-life threatening situations that have already occurred at the bottom of the priority list.
That means thefts and burglaries that have already occurred are at the lowest possible priority for the police. The detective on your case may also have 100+ other cases working, some higher priority than yours, and can't allocate the time to your case. If you found your property the police would probably need to hold it for evidence until after a trial.
If the pawnbroker followed the law then he should have good ID on the people who pawned it and the police can always file at at large warrant on them if evidence leads the police to charge them with theft.
Understand that just because someone pawned your gear doesn't mean that person stole your gear or even committed a crime. Often stolen property changes hands 3 or 4 times within the first 24 hours after a theft, and often the people who are "caught" with the stolen property were not aware it was stolen and are not guilty of any crime, and they frequently end up becoming victims themselves when they lose the stolen items that they paid for.
In a minor property crime that was committed some time ago don't expect there to be an arrest because the evidence linking a person to the crime is probably circumstantial at best. The best you can hope for is to get your property back. Maybe someone will be prosecuted, but even if they have a lengthy record they will almost certainly not serve time for a minor theft, they'll just get yet another probated sentence that gets pleaded down.
Ideally the police could catch and lock up these criminals that ruin our quality of life, but in reality there are too many criminals and too few police. Our society does not hold people personally responsible for their actions and there is little deterrence for criminals to modify their behavior.