More and more I'm starting to hate cops.

[moronmountain]

Cops only read you "your rights" if they are going to question you. They can detain you on suspicion (probable cause), but they'd better have a good reason. Taking you to jail without even questioning you is not a good thing. I would be pissed to, but I understand how they want you just to follow orders without question while they're doing their business. FWIW, it's not too hard to come up with PC to detain someone. Arresting them however.........

You've almost got it right. As someone has already mentioned, Terry v. Ohio and other more recent cases ruled that police may stop and detain someone based upon reasonable suspicionthat they have committed, are committing or are about to commit a crime. The reasonable suspicion must be articulable, i.e., the officer must be able to put it in words. The officer's gut feeling doesn't cut it. The officer may also pat down or frisk {not search} the stopped person based on other factors which may indicate the subject is armed. These factors must also be articulable.

Reasonable suspicion is much lower than probable cause. PC is required to arrest or search. As my brother in arms Odin has already stated, Miranda only applies in a custodial interrogation situation, or when a suspect could reasonably believe he is in custody.

As to the other guy with cop problems...dude, you live in Chicago. Other cops shake their heads in disbelief at some of the things Chicago coppers do. But like Odin said, your story is definitely suspect.

Yeah I know I mis-stated. I couldn't think of the phrase "reasonable suspicion" while I was typing my response, and I figured most people would understand "pc" a lot more.

 

[Digital Jams]

If the only goal is to get you in handcuffs in the shortest amount of time I can make that happen - but you'll be going to the ER before you go to jail (probably won't even need those handcuffs). Getting a resisting subject in handcuffs without officers or the suspect sustaining serious injury can be a difficult task.

You seem to be very proud that you are capable of doing this.

He should be, I have met only one guy that COULD make a claim like this, not a fool to really say it though, and he is a 25 year SEAL veteran.

Odin is one bad mother.

 

[Odin]

If the only goal is to get you in handcuffs in the shortest amount of time I can make that happen - but you'll be going to the ER before you go to jail (probably won't even need those handcuffs). Getting a resisting subject in handcuffs without officers or the suspect sustaining serious injury can be a difficult task.

Funny, the State Police Academy here in CT does not teach this " I know that I am better than my foe " theory.......

Man you must be one bad mofo......special forces?

I don't get your comment. I'm not saying that I condone beating someone into submission. I made a sarcastic comment that if the goal was to get the cuffs on fastest then massive use of force would do the trick. Obviously, that is not the way it's done. But some people here seemed to think that it was inappropriate for several officer to pile on someone who was being handcuffed. The alternative is to (a) let them get away or (b) go toe to toe with them one on one. Option A is not gonna happen and option B is called fighting. Fighting is not recommended except in cases of self defense. Using many officers is the way to do it.

 

[Odin]

If the only goal is to get you in handcuffs in the shortest amount of time I can make that happen - but you'll be going to the ER before you go to jail (probably won't even need those handcuffs). Getting a resisting subject in handcuffs without officers or the suspect sustaining serious injury can be a difficult task.

You seem to be very proud that you are capable of doing this.

You could do it too. It's not a skill. It was a sarcastic comment.

 

[Digital Jams]

If the only goal is to get you in handcuffs in the shortest amount of time I can make that happen - but you'll be going to the ER before you go to jail (probably won't even need those handcuffs). Getting a resisting subject in handcuffs without officers or the suspect sustaining serious injury can be a difficult task.

Funny, the State Police Academy here in CT does not teach this " I know that I am better than my foe " theory.......

Man you must be one bad mofo......special forces?

I don't get your comment. I'm not saying that I condone beating someone into submission. I made a sarcastic comment that if the goal was to get the cuffs on fastest then massive use of force would do the trick. Obviously, that is not the way it's done. But some people here seemed to think that it was inappropriate for several officer to pile on someone who was being handcuffed. The alternative is to (a) let them get away or (b) go toe to toe with them one on one. Option A is not gonna happen and option B is called fighting. Fighting is not recommended except in cases of self defense. Using many officers is the way to do it.

You said if the goal was to get cuffs on someone in the shortest amount of time.....you could make that happen, ER visits and all.

That was where my comment was directed at and I understand what you stated. If someone is stupid enough to break the law imo they got what is coming to them btw, pigpiles and all.

Just saying for you to say that you must be one tough dude....or are we talking shooting them in the leg?

 

[Odin]

If the only goal is to get you in handcuffs in the shortest amount of time I can make that happen - but you'll be going to the ER before you go to jail (probably won't even need those handcuffs). Getting a resisting subject in handcuffs without officers or the suspect sustaining serious injury can be a difficult task.

You seem to be very proud that you are capable of doing this.

He should be, I have met only one guy that COULD make a claim like this, not a fool to really say it though, and he is a 25 year SEAL veteran.

Odin is one bad mother.

You guys are not reading my posts. It was sarcasm. Of course I wouldn't suggest knocking someone in the head and cuffing them while they lay on the ground.

 

[Odin]

You said if the goal was to get cuffs on someone in the shortest amount of time.....you could make that happen, ER visits and all.

That was where my comment was directed at and I understand what you stated. If someone is stupid enough to break the law imo they got what is coming to them btw, pigpiles and all.

Just saying for you to say that you must be one tough dude....or are we talking shooting them in the leg?

We're not talking anything, it was a sarcastic comment. But yeah, shooting them would do the trick. That was sarcasm...get it?

 

[kannibul]

If the only goal is to get you in handcuffs in the shortest amount of time I can make that happen - but you'll be going to the ER before you go to jail (probably won't even need those handcuffs). Getting a resisting subject in handcuffs without officers or the suspect sustaining serious injury can be a difficult task.

Funny, the State Police Academy here in CT does not teach this " I know that I am better than my foe " theory.......

Man you must be one bad mofo......special forces?

I don't get your comment. I'm not saying that I condone beating someone into submission. I made a sarcastic comment that if the goal was to get the cuffs on fastest then massive use of force would do the trick. Obviously, that is not the way it's done. But some people here seemed to think that it was inappropriate for several officer to pile on someone who was being handcuffed. The alternative is to (a) let them get away or (b) go toe to toe with them one on one. Option A is not gonna happen and option B is called fighting. Fighting is not recommended except in cases of self defense. Using many officers is the way to do it.

It's not what I meant, what I see on shows such as COPS is that they are trying to bend a person's arm in ways that it will not naturally bend, the person says they aren't resisting and/or their arm does not bend that way.

That's what bothers me, but at the same time, yeah, cops have to do their job, it's not easy, etc.

 

[Odin]

It's not what I meant, what I see on shows such as COPS is that they are trying to bend a person's arm in ways that it will not naturally bend, the person says they aren't resisting and/or their arm does not bend that way.

That's what bothers me, but at the same time, yeah, cops have to do their job, it's not easy, etc.

People who don't resist get handcuffs placed on them while they are standing with their hands behind their back. People who are getting dogpiled by 5 cops with their arms twisted up like a pretzel are people who fled/resisted/fought, etc...

It's up to the suspect how the cuffs go on, the easy way or the hard way. But once you choose the hard way don't expect the police to ease up on you in the middle of a confrontation, you choose the hard way and you're gonna get the hard way until you're in cuffs and under control no matter how much you holler about how you aren't resisting.

 

[nbarts]

So what do I learn from this topic?

Cops don't care what you say, cops don't care what you feel, they don't care what's right or what's wrong. Good cops are robots executing orders, bad cops are criminals. Now why would I like them again?

 

[Gainzilla]

Im sick of people having a bad experience with a douchebag cop and making all of the other good people who answer the call to protect and serve wear a black eye for the actions of a few assholes... I have loads of respect for cops.. Like anything, else, theres assholes everywhere


Odin, youre a cop? If the way you present yourself is any indication, I have a strong suspicion that youre one of the dickheads. I could be wrong of course but that just doesnt really happen.

 

[Anonymous]

I could be wrong of course but that just doesnt really happen.

I feel the same way myself!

Steve

 

[moronmountain]

Im sick of people having a bad experience with a douchebag cop and making all of the other good people who answer the call to protect and serve wear a black eye for the actions of a few assholes... I have loads of respect for cops.. Like anything, else, theres assholes everywhere


Odin, youre a cop? If the way you present yourself is any indication, I have a strong suspicion that youre one of the dickheads. I could be wrong of course but that just doesnt really happen.

I dunno. He seems pretty passionate about defending them no matter what, but a lot of what he says makes sense. I'll hold my judgement until he says something stupid to me personally.

 

[moronmountain]

I could be wrong of course but that just doesnt really happen.

I feel the same way myself!

Steve

No one likes a brown noser.

 

[Odin]

So what do I learn from this topic?

Cops don't care what you say, cops don't care what you feel, they don't care what's right or what's wrong. Good cops are robots executing orders, bad cops are criminals. Now why would I like them again?

If that's your conclusion then I can't help you understand. Good luck.

 

[Shawn Lutz]

Odin, youre a cop? If the way you present yourself is any indication, I have a strong suspicion that youre one of the dickheads. I could be wrong of course but that just doesnt really happen.

hmmm...maybe... condescending tone and belittling language (name calling) displayed in this thread may suggest exactly as you claim.

 

[Gitfiddler]

I recently had a "good" cop experience. I got pulled over in BFE for 71 in a 55. The speed limit changes about every 100 yards in this stretch of countryside, so i had no idea what the speed limit is. I usually travel this stretch b/c it's unpopulated and i can travel around 100 mph with no interruption.

anyhow, i got pulled over by Lewis from revenge of the nerds. The guy was so painfully polite, issued me a ticket, and thanked me for my time. WTF? He told me that if i was merely going to pay the ticket and not contest it, then i should write a letter to the clerk's office requesting that they not assess points to my license. I never knew you could do that. He didn't have to tell me that, but i was cordial and he was cordial back.

 

[Odin]

Odin, youre a cop? If the way you present yourself is any indication, I have a strong suspicion that youre one of the dickheads. I could be wrong of course but that just doesnt really happen.

hmmm...maybe... condescending tone and belittling language (name calling) displayed in this thread may suggest exactly as you claim.

I haven't belittled anyone, although I might not have been the most tolerant of the guy who started his post with "I don't give a fuck about the law" and then proceeded to explain how his moral compass should supercede any law.

Most cops are like a mirror when you get pulled over - you act like an asshole and you get an asshole back, you act polite and you get polite back. Of course there will be exceptions to this, like anything, but in general I have found that people (including police) tend to respond the way they are treated.

 

[Oblivion DC]

i was cordial and he was cordial back.

That's all anyone wants, a little civility - why be an abusive douche if it's not needed?

 

[Anonymous]

I could be wrong of course but that just doesnt really happen.

I feel the same way myself!

Steve

No one likes a brown noser.

You misunderstood me. I meant that ME being wrong never really happens. I agreed with illustrious STEEL one's point of view in this regard... Please make a note of this.

Steve