My wife says I look like a Mexican biker hoodlum...

[kannibul]

I'm shocked. I can't believe anyone thinks it's okay for the government to stick their nose in your personal business. That's amazing to me.

Indoctrination...

 

[kannibul]

Personally, I think the squids look like wanna-be NASCAR drivers...or comic book nerds...I'm still undecided...

Squids?

Better to look like a NASCAR driver than Rob Halford before going out on a date

Yeah....some of the Racer boys take it too far as well with the racing leathers but form follows function Jeff I wore a black racing jacket with carbonfiber elbows with no sticker thingies.

Oh, I know, I'm just razzin' ya sportbike riders. I'm just thinking of those multi-colored racing suits with zebra patterns an' stuff...


"Squids" - ever see a squid swim? That's how sport bike riders ride!

 

[Digital Jams]

Personally, I think the squids look like wanna-be NASCAR drivers...or comic book nerds...I'm still undecided
Squids?

Better to look like a NASCAR driver than Rob Halford before going out on a date

Yeah....some of the Racer boys take it too far as well with the racing leathers but form follows function Jeff I wore a black racing jacket with carbonfiber elbows with no sticker thingies.

Oh, I know, I'm just razzin' ya sportbike riders. I'm just thinking of those multi-colored racing suits with zebra patterns an' stuff...


"Squids" - ever see a squid swim? That's how sport bike riders ride!

I was in the Navy so I thought you were nailing navy dudes that rode Man the amount of dweebs that thought they were Tom Cruise and bought Ninjas while in the Navy

Oh I agree, there are some way over the top racing leathers

 

[Marshall Freak]

I think you're confused on the definition of squid. A squid is the kid on a liter sport bike, wearing flip flops, shorts and a T-shirt. They're usually seen flying though traffic 30-60mph faster than the rest of the vehicles or way above their head.

 

[Digital Jams]

I was in the Navy so I thought you were nailing navy dudes that rode Man the amount of dweebs that thought they were Tom Cruise and bought Ninjas while in the Navy

Oh I agree, there are some way over the top racing leathers

You were in the Navy? Oh wait, your opinion doesn't matter now, mate. Just kidding, of course. But the Air Force is waaaaaaaaay better.

Base wise I will not argue that, Langley was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better than Norfolk, you guys had it made!! When I left back in 1996 I used the Langley facilities to get my crap shipped back home, the Navy people were useless

I left an E6 and they tried to throw me in general population in the transit building for 2 weeks while waiting to be dis-charged...when to Langley and stayed there in a 2 room apartment. The air force people respected my E6 more than the Navy

 

[kannibul]

Alright...I've been thoroughly edumcated!

LOL

That's what I get for learning a term off a forum

 

[strungup]

I disagree. The government has a right to ensure that the general population is protected. Personally I feel that everyone should wear a seatbelt/helmet/not talk on their cell phone just out of sheer common sense, but because that is obviously not the case I think the government should have the right to enforce things that legitimately save lives. Seatbelts laws are like speed limits. This is not a question of the government "infringing on the rights of the population" but merely a way to protect people.

I think people should be able to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of other people. In other words, I should be able to wear a seatbelt or choose not too. I'm the only one affected by it. Nobody else is safer because I'm forced to wear a seatbelt.

I agree. If someone chooses not to wear their seat belt, fine. It really doesn't affect my safety at all if the other guy isn't wearing his. I think its a good idea to wear the seat belt, and I do. If someone doesn't want to wear theirs, more power to 'em.

I am not saying I wear my seatbelt 100% of the time because I don't. I do personally know of a situation that someone without a seatbelt killed someone with one. The passenger was not wearing a seatbelt and was thrown into the driver of the car who was wearing his. The injuries from the accident were not fatal to the driver but the impact from the passenger was.... You never would think something like that could happen but it hit close enough that I have seen the aftermath of the accident. My wifes aunt lost her father (the passenger) and her husband (the driver) all because her father didn't buckle up. Hearing about it is messed up enough but actually seeing and talking with her aunt you can see her struggle with trying to come to grips with her fathers actions. Her last thoughts of her father are that he killed her husband..... I am sure this is a freak accident and doesn't happen often, but it was kind of a wake up call for me driving my kids around.

Not sure were I stand on the helmet thing but I wouldn't ride without one.

 

[kannibul]

No, actually, you don't. It's 99.999% improbable, but it happens.

If you think people without seatbelts costing other people money is a lame reason, well, I don't know how else to present the argument to you.

If a person gets into a bad car wreck, the cops, ambulance, fire dept, etc... all show up whether or not they were wearing a seatbelt, so I don't get that argument at all. It doesn't make sense. Actually, this whole conversation doesn't make sense to me, but oh well.

I gotta go for now.

True, but in one aspect, the people (tax payers) have to pay for those who are uninsured / underinsured - something like that...

 

[kannibul]

I wear a helmet, but I don't have to. I grew up having to, so I guess I just carried that over from when I was younger.
I wear a seatbelt, because I have to, and now it's just habit.

That said, the scenario where a seatbelt doesn't help is in the minority when compared to those that have. With the way people drive these days, we need to go to 5-point restraints

 

[strungup]

Actually I don't understand why we are not wearing a 5 point harness. If safety is really a factor I don't see how the 3 point restraint can be argued. A 5 point harness would cut down on pain and discomfort after the accident as well.

 

[strungup]

I am not saying I wear my seatbelt 100% of the time because I don't. I do personally know of a situation that someone without a seatbelt killed someone with one. The passenger was not wearing a seatbelt and was thrown into the driver of the car who was wearing his. The injuries from the accident were not fatal to the driver but the impact from the passenger was.... You never would think something like that could happen but it hit close enough that I have seen the aftermath of the accident. My wifes aunt lost her father (the passenger) and her husband (the driver) all because her father didn't buckle up. Hearing about it is messed up enough but actually seeing and talking with her aunt you can see her struggle with trying to come to grips with her fathers actions. Her last thoughts of her father are that he killed her husband..... I am sure this is a freak accident and doesn't happen often, but it was kind of a wake up call for me driving my kids around.

Not sure were I stand on the helmet thing but I wouldn't ride without one.

Sorry about your loss. That's horrible.

Thank you, I didn't actually know either person in the accident. I met my wife shortly after the accident. I agree it was a rare accident and I probably agree with your side more than the other. I think not wearing a helmet is stupid but it is their choice. I am more concerned about the crap that is added to food that the average person is not aware of, then I am about the the rare chance someone not wearing a helmet might injure someone else. That is the safety restrictions I would like the see the government get involved in.

 

[kannibul]

True, but in one aspect, the people (tax payers) have to pay for those who are uninsured / underinsured - something like that...

But that is an argument for requiring insurance, not for passing laws to make people wear seatbelts.

True, but until insurance is required, the tax payer is left holding the bag, which, in turn, means the government sees it as a money drain, therefore safety made law, helps the government save money, even though it just goes out another hole in the bucket...

 

[Capulin Overdrive]

True, but in one aspect, the people (tax payers) have to pay for those who are uninsured / underinsured - something like that...

But that is an argument for requiring insurance, not for passing laws to make people wear seatbelts.

i like how you think!

 

[Gainiac]

As a rule a Chris, I dont think its OK, just this particular instance. For example, All kinds of stuff gets kicked up from other cars when youre riding, Ive lost count of the amount of times that Ive gotten nailed by a rock or stone that was kicked up and smashed into my face shield or helmet( Badly Cracked shields or Signicant damage to the helmet) and I was so thankful that I was wearing protection. If I wasnt, theres no doubt that I would have dropped the bike and screwed myself up OR I would have lost control and caused an accident.

My point is that While I truly understand where youre coming from, you have to understand that it can extend that youre personal preference has the potential to affect other people beyond yourself. Its like the Smoking thing, theres concrete eveidence that Second hand smoke can harm others and its something you have to consider IMO

Notice that I didn't say people should be allowed to smoke in bars. I said bar owners should be allowed to decide whether or not their establishments are smoking or non-smoking. There's a huge difference there.

Ehhhhhhhh, I don't think we could ever possibly agree on this. Probably time for me to drop it.

Nah, it's a matter of percentages. How often have any one of us accidently NOT HAD the seatbelt on, been stuck taking a cell call in the car, etc...
I distinctly remember as an idiot barely past teenager driving my Honda back from Jones Beach after an amazing afternoon, drinkin PBR's, cutoff shorts/T-shirt/sunglasses, no fkn helmet, at dusk, in a light rain, no less, and the bike got squirrly on me and I almost bought it. BTW, at a shade under NinetyFknFive mph. I was scared shitless and completely stupid. We're all stupid at one time or another. Helmets dont save everyone. Remember the recent photo of the helmeted guy neatly wedged into the back of the panel truck?? We're all smarter and more capable than everyone else around us. And we're all gonna die from something. The laws are there to keep the percentages down on the stupid reasons why.

 

[Copperhead]

I distinctly remember as an idiot barely past teenager driving my Honda back from Jones Beach after an amazing afternoon, drinkin PBR's, cutoff shorts/T-shirt/sunglasses, no fkn helmet, at dusk, in a light rain, no less, and the bike got squirrly on me and I almost bought it. BTW, at a shade under NinetyFknFive mph. I was scared shitless and completely stupid. We're all stupid at one time or another.

Not at all trying to pick a fight or be insulting to you, but you did know it was "against the law" to drink and drive, and 95 was not the posted speed limit?? But you did it anyway? So if you had wrecked, the law didn't save you anyway, did it? In fact, the only thing that could save you or kill you was the decisions you make. Freedom is the right to choose and make decisions ourselves, but the responsibility part is accepting the results. I don't want to live in a society that attempts to legislate all my decisions in life, in the name of "my best interest".

 

[zewango]

Infants & baby seats is a law. This is a bad idea? Or should you decide what is the best thing to do for your kid?

 

[Copperhead]

I put my kids in baby seats because it was safest for them, NOT because I would get a ticket if I didn't!

 

[zewango]

I put my kids in baby seats because it was safest for them, NOT because I would get a ticket if I didn't!

Some people arent that smart. Seatbelts and helmets are just simple no brainer safety issues.
Why the Gov has to worry if Clemens did steroids to me is scary.

 

[Copperhead]

Some people arent that smart. Seatbelts and helmets are just simple no brainer safety issues.
Why the Gov has to worry if Clemens did steroids to me is scary.

True. I think we should spend more time training kids to grow up to be able to make correct decisions in life and to accept responsibility and accountability for what the sum of their life is based on those decisions, but instead it seems we're training them to be good little Federal government teat sucking pacifist socialists.

 

[Copperhead]

True. I think we should spend more time training kids to grow up to be able to make correct decisions in life and to accept responsibility and accountability for what the sum of their life is based on those decisions, but instead it seems we're training them to be good little Federal government teat sucking pacifist socialists.

Who's "we?" You and the mouse in your pocket?

I gotta have an imaginary friend and ally around here, otherwise I'm all by myself and that would make me a nutjob!