NAD Wizard MTL MKII

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VHTStark said:
Agree, on the mids. My MC 1 100w has the C transformer and I have played an MC 2 100w with the V transformer. Mids were similar, but the MC 1 seems to have extended top end and low end over the MC 2.
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Interesting, many would probability have guessed the opposite. I haven’t tried an MC2, just an MC
 
braintheory said:
Interesting, many would probability have guessed the opposite. I haven’t tried an MC2, just an MC
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Yup. My buddy who owns the MC 2 noticed it as well.

Midrange wise, both have the more Hiwatt like midrange, or "hollow" mids as I have seen you describe them.

I would be curious to see what you would think of the w800 model. That one has alot of upper mid kerrang. If I were being nitpicky, comparing it to my father's early 70's Superlead, the old Marshall thickens up in a really musical way in the midrange when you crank it, where as the Wizards don't really. Pretty dang close for a modern amp though!
 
VHTStark said:
Stoked you are loving it! Have you biamped it with your 2C+ yet?

Ya, that punch that physically hits you with Wizards at volume is definitely something else.
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I'm gonna throw some A B soon when I have more free time!
 
VHTStark said:
Yup. My buddy who owns the MC 2 noticed it as well.

Midrange wise, both have the more Hiwatt like midrange, or "hollow" mids as I have seen you describe them.

I would be curious to see what you would think of the w800 model. That one has alot of upper mid kerrang. If I were being nitpicky, comparing it to my father's early 70's Superlead, the old Marshall thickens up in a really musical way in the midrange when you crank it, where as the Wizards don't really. Pretty dang close for a modern amp though!
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Yeah I find them to be somewhere in between a Hiwatt and Marshall in midrange character. In the clips I do hear that extra uppermid aggression of the w800’s, but seems like in the mids below that area still more hollow in the same way as other wizards

For a modern amp they are definitely among the most raw I’ve tried only rivaled IME by Naylor’s in that area and slightly outdone by Alessandro’s. I don’t think it’s age or a vintage thing vs ‘70’s Superleads (I have a 1972 SL 100 myself), especially since vintage Hiwatt’s are more hollow than wizards. I think it’s just a different sound wizards are going for vs Marshall’s that are both great in different ways. Maybe like oranges vs grapefruits lol
 
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braintheory said:
Makes sense since the MC I had with C’s and MTL I had with V’s were both similarly neutral/smooth in the mids. The Hell Razor KT150 I tried sounded more aggressive than both, whatever it uses or if it’s even from its transformers or not
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I'd say there's more variation between years depending on what tweaks he makes to the amps. I had a 2018 MC2 KT150 that the mids were very flat and neutral sounding. I never really liked that amp and sold it fairly quickly. The 21 KT150 MC2 I had was much better, more aggressive in the mids.

My 2019 MTL had different mids compared to my 22 MTL KT150 as well. I noticed this with my 2016 MTL vs a newer MTL mk2 as well...always prefered my 2016. All these comparisons, the amps had the same V transformers or the KT transformers.

I know Rick has made some updates to the Hell Razor as well, based on some user feed back.
 
RedB4Black said:
I'd say there's more variation between years depending on what tweaks he makes to the amps. I had a 2018 MC2 KT150 that the mids were very flat and neutral sounding. I never really liked that amp and sold it fairly quickly. The 21 KT150 MC2 I had was much better, more aggressive in the mids.

My 2019 MTL had different mids compared to my 22 MTL KT150 as well. I noticed this with my 2016 MTL vs a newer MTL mk2 as well...always prefered my 2016. All these comparisons, the amps had the same V transformers or the KT transformers.

I know Rick has made some updates to the Hell Razor as well, based on some user feed back.
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The Hell Razor KT150 I tried still had overall a more flat/neutral midrange to my ears like the other Wizards I had, but just seemed way more impressive than the 2016 MTL EL34 100 and 1996 MC EL34 100 I had
 
Well would you look at that. Finally there's somebody on the internet willing to spend the money on a Wizard who is ALSO willing to spend $99 on an actual microphone for the cab instead of just hitting record on a cell phone and throwing it somewhere across the room and declaring that "nah cell phone recordings are fine it's just that... Wizards are like... hard to record, maaaan." :D

Sounds good! Turns out they do sound good recorded if you give half-a-damn about actually recording them.
 
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braintheory said:
Makes sense since the MC I had with C’s and MTL I had with V’s were both similarly neutral/smooth in the mids. The Hell Razor KT150 I tried sounded more aggressive than both, whatever it uses or if it’s even from its transformers or not
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I’ve heard both agressive or too smooth for the hell razor. But Rick be tinkering
ultimatemetalguitartones said:
So far so good! It feels so nice - the clarity is there, the punch is there, the definition is amazing and of course it's so damn dynamic!
That oomph when playing loud tho... Man...!
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Wizards really truly are something special
 
Techdeth said:
I’ve heard both agressive or too smooth for the hell razor. But Rick be tinkering
Wizards really truly are something special
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The Hell Razor can be tweaked for a lot of different sounds with its 3 different gain controls
 
TheGreatGreen said:
Well would you look at that. Finally there's somebody on the internet willing to spend the money on a Wizard who is ALSO willing to spend $99 on an actual microphone for the cab instead of just hitting record on a cell phone and throwing it somewhere across the room and declaring that "nah cell phone recordings are fine it's just that... Wizards are like... hard to record, maaaan." :D

Sounds good!
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I think he said he used IR rather an actual mic fwiw, but either way a good sounding clip of it
 
braintheory said:
The Hell Razor can be tweaked for a lot of different sounds with its 3 different gain controls
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I’m pretty excited . I have an idea if I want to do with it . What’s cool with a Rick is he’s always tweaking it . 3 gains is killer man
 
TheGreatGreen said:
Well would you look at that. Finally there's somebody on the internet willing to spend the money on a Wizard who is ALSO willing to spend $99 on an actual microphone for the cab instead of just hitting record on a cell phone and throwing it somewhere across the room and declaring that "nah cell phone recordings are fine it's just that... Wizards are like... hard to record, maaaan." :D

Sounds good!
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Thx man! I used my custom made IR - Mesa Boogie 412 OS + suhr reactive loadbox
Will post some more clips soon!
 
Just for fun, this is a Quad Cortex capture I did - Gain + Saturation 6 - Again I am using my Mesa Boogie 412 IR
 
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