Dan Gleesak
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But how is it damaging? Or to put it another way, how is it unique to pornography?
No pornhub in Tejas sucks to be them. Way to go republicans.
But how is it damaging? Or to put it another way, how is it unique to pornography?
Floyd Eye
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It could be linked to rape and all kinds of sex crimes. Kids being exposed to extreme porn or extreme amounts of porn at an early age. We already know that kids who are sexually abused often become sexual obusers.
It's naive to think it doesn't have a negative effect on kids. Not so much looking at tits in a G rated movie ya know, but actual porn.
Floyd Eye
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There's a guy I grew up with. He was way into porn ever since I've known him. He still is. About 20 years ago my wife and I and my young daughter went into his house with him to get something and there were all these pictures of naked bitches all over his living room walls. To my knowledge this dude has never had a serious girlfriend. He still doesn't. 56 years old and lives in the downstairs of his parent's house. Works at WalMart. Not that THAT has anything to do with it, but him having completely unrealistic ideas about what actual sex is like clearly fucked him up. I honestly think the only sex he's ever had was with whores.
Dan Gleesak
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I’m not disagreeing with anything you are saying. I’m trying to understand what is unique to porn that people think it should be so heavily regulated, compared to other things that kids could be exposed to just the same.
311splawndude
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Agreed.
So @Dan Gleesak what I am gathering from your line of questions is that you have no problem with kids watching porn?
Floyd Eye
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Well, I guess it's kind of the same argument as why are people so hot to regulate guns when distracted and drunk driving kills more kids. Lots of things kill more kids than guns when you don't count gang bangers as children in the stats.
Dan Gleesak
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You don’t think there is lobbying and propaganda against drunk driving or texting while driving? Its everywhere bro
Dan Gleesak
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That’s not it at all. What I’m trying to understanding is what about porn do people think is so dangerous or damaging to underaged viewers, that they are ok with mandating identification verification to watch online. That is a giant slippery slope.
Of all the things that could easily be found on the internet, why pornography?
311splawndude
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So before you ask me if Freedom of Speech is important to me, of course it is. But we have to have some limits and we have to protect our kids. When we were young, and even today, you can't walk into a sex shop unless you are 18. Maybe 21. You can't walk into a strip club unless you are 21 in most cases, as most serve alcohol. And you couldn't (legally) buy a Penthouse at the drug store without being 18.
Enter the Internet
Most of those rules are out the window with online porn. It is mostly up to the parents to monitor what is going on with their kids and their kids phones. We did. Up until they were maybe 16-17, we periodically monitored what they were looking at and put some controls on what they can do/see. Of course we can't protect against all of it, but if we try - we show our kids that we care and don't necessarily approve always.
Think of all the parents that don't care and don't check
PS: My boys are all over 18 now and could care less what they look at on the Internet now, but I feel confident I've given them decent moral boundaries.
Enter the Internet
Most of those rules are out the window with online porn. It is mostly up to the parents to monitor what is going on with their kids and their kids phones. We did. Up until they were maybe 16-17, we periodically monitored what they were looking at and put some controls on what they can do/see. Of course we can't protect against all of it, but if we try - we show our kids that we care and don't necessarily approve always.
Think of all the parents that don't care and don't check
PS: My boys are all over 18 now and could care less what they look at on the Internet now, but I feel confident I've given them decent moral boundaries.
MadAsAHatter
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You're looking at it the wrong way thinking it's unique. Like other vices such as alcohol, cigarettes, gambling, drugs, etc. it can become an addiction. Some papers claim it changes your brain chemistry, the more you're exposed to the more you need it and in greater quantities. the brain is still developing at younger ages. The younger you're exposed to it the greater impact on brain chemistry. So like all these other vices it's regulated for minors.
Dan Gleesak
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So you think the unique part is that potentially addictive? I agree it could be for some, but lots of things that people of all ages consume everyday are potentially addictive.
The same findings can be said about sugar. Should people need ID for foods with added sugar?
The point I’m trying to make, is that why are people ok with such a regulation put on porn, that they would not be ok with being put on something that has the same potential dangers
MadAsAHatter
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I was presenting a rational reason for people thinking porn should be regulated. The ADA considers porn addiction a behavioral disorder. Studies have shown it changes brain chemistry like other addictions. The studies point to it being addictive.
There are a number of groups that did ban sugar
A quick google search shows a bunch of links to calls for a ban on sugar. It was repealed, but NYC banned the sale of sugary drinks over 16 oz in the early 2010's. San Francisco banned the sale of sugary drink in the workplace.
Some things are considered vices or immoral, others not. Immoral things usually have some sort or regulations attached to it. Could be government, societal, community, whatever. Society and people are nuanced. It doesn't always have to be all or nothing.
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VonBonfire
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Bundy and a whole pile of other serial killers and rapists are on record stating as much. For Bundy hardcore pornography was THE gateway. I was reading an article by a woman who, in the 70's, heavily criticized Hustler "comics" that made jokes about underage sex; that it would lead to more cases of pedophilia. She was clearly right. Interestingly the comic strip writer got busted for having sex with his daughter some time later. Real salt of the earth types eh? You can't put that shit into people's heads and expect normal sexual function to continue for everyone who comes into contact with it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_the_Molester
Dan Gleesak
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But back to my original point, what I find dangerous about it is the precedent it can set.
Every reason people give for why they think porn should have to go through a verification process, can very easily become commonplace for everything else that shows a semblance of those same reasons. Candy bar? Need an ID. Coffee? Need an ID. Movie with violence on TV? Let’s see an ID.
MadAsAHatter
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I don't make the rules, I just break them.
Dan Gleesak
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You might have to if you don’t want to give your ID to rigtalk to post in the off topic area
Floyd Eye
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For instance ?
MadAsAHatter
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@Monkey Man made me select the squares that had his primate parts when I first joined. I should be good to go.
Floyd Eye
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So if we're making a distinction between the internet and the real world, where porn is age restricted, because as you say it is a slippery slope ( no disagreement there by the way) then why should I pay taxes to my state for things I buy on the internet ? As just one example of internet regulation ?
84superchamp
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I remember parental control over tv viewing and managing that in settings. It seems there should be something similar for smartphone internet browsing but I haven't heard of anything. I'm generally against penalizing some to protect others, especially in a case like this. Would OTC ever have to comply by deleting the bikini thread?