RaceU4her
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To me it stops being a “tribute” and becomes something else when it turns into a stadium sized tour and paychecks. A one time show is a tribute, a tour is a money grab
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thegame
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Yeah right. Vinnie went to his grave refusing to ever speak again with Phil, let alone reconciling with him. In his mind, Phil was partly responsible for his brother's murder. So no, he would most definitely not approve of this and furthermore, fuck Zakk for his constant, "the brothers are looking down smiling at this tribute" bullshit.
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EyesOfTheSouth!
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Let me preface, I am 53 and was there at the inception of Pantera. Grew up in Fort Worth and spent every weekend in the clubs before Phil even came in the picture. Can’t even begin to think of how many times I saw them live.
I have no desire to watch this or go see the current “Pantera”. Mainly because I was there for the real deal. But not because I am butthurt or have an aversion to cash grabs. I hear that phrase thrown around constantly.
What’s wrong with a cash grab? This is their profession. And how much of this goes to Rita and the estate? Maybe I’m wrong, but wouldn’t she have to sign off on this?
Judas Priest didn’t start calling themselves a “tribute” when Halford left……nor now that Downing and Tipton are gone. Same goes for numerous other bands that had defining or signature members move on or pass away.
FWIW, though not the heart of Pantera, there are still two people from the classic line up involved. Let them have their cash grab. And let the newer generation experience the songs live.
I have no desire to watch this or go see the current “Pantera”. Mainly because I was there for the real deal. But not because I am butthurt or have an aversion to cash grabs. I hear that phrase thrown around constantly.
What’s wrong with a cash grab? This is their profession. And how much of this goes to Rita and the estate? Maybe I’m wrong, but wouldn’t she have to sign off on this?
Judas Priest didn’t start calling themselves a “tribute” when Halford left……nor now that Downing and Tipton are gone. Same goes for numerous other bands that had defining or signature members move on or pass away.
FWIW, though not the heart of Pantera, there are still two people from the classic line up involved. Let them have their cash grab. And let the newer generation experience the songs live.
romanianreaper
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Just for the record, best skit ever
Knot_Ur_Mom
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Wow, being there to see Pantera come up and become a musical force that changed a genre of music must have been fucking amazing!
I totally agree with everything you said in your post. People get so possessive and judgmental when it comes to something/someone they have love for. Understandable, I'm guilty of it myself. I'm totally on board for this iteration of "Pantera" getting out there and touring. Yes, they're making money. No, not all the original members are involved. But there's also tons of fans who are stoked on hearing Pantera songs being played live and loudly literally all over the world.
My only critique about any this that is happening about Zakk Wylde. To be more precise his playing. There's a portion of this interview in the beginning where Charlie is talking about doing everything possible (drum set up, triggers etc...) to sound like Vinnie Paul. Zakk on the other hand has fallen way short in this respect. There are countless videos out there of him playing Dime's solos "his way" one might even say "wrong". Like way wrong.
I remember about a month or so before they started touring someone asked Zakk if he'd been practicing for a while and he laughed said that he hadn't ever started. I don't know if it was laziness or the inability to play Dime's solos (I doubt it was a lack of capacity) but I found it disappointing to see that be the case. Here we have one dude stepping into a position that requires a lot to pull it off and did the work and another dude not doing that. Not only that, SO many people are defending Zakk saying things like "he has to..." or "of course he's going to put he's spin on it". It doesn't square with Charlie is saying (they all seem to agree with what Charlie is saying) and it's plain ol' bummer. Zakk Wylde can most definitely play those parts if he tried or wanted. The man is killer guitar player, no doubt. Just a bummer, that's all. But let them play. Let people thrash and rock out. That's all haha
skoora
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Swing a virtual dead cat and you’ll find 10 kids from 7-17 nailing Dime’s playing and tone in their bedroom…lol But that goes for every guitar great. If there’s a guy/gal who spent 30 years becoming an icon and master, there’s a 9 year old from Riffshredistan who can play all their parts perfectly….
Rayneman
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To be honest I don’t know much of the history of Pantera, so I guess I was wrong about that. I didn’t know the band broke up…I thought they were doing their own solo type stuff on hiatus from Pantera when Dime was killed. Now that I know this, it does seem a bit weird the two surviving members are touring under the name.
Techdeth
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Ya I have not thought zakk is doing the solos Justice . It’s not that he’s changing them at times he just sounds unusually sloppy at times . Like it’s chaos . I was shocked
thegame
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You are pardoned. Pantera history 101 is a subject that is sorely lacking in the schools of today’s educational curriculum.
nightlight
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Judas Priest is an altogether different cash grab. KK Downing wanted to rejoin the band and the bassist, Ian Hill, rejected his overtures, probably on the advice of lawyers.
I mean, can you believe it? A bassist who didn't write any of the Priest songs gets to keep out the guitarist who made that band what it was? And who are his replacements? Andy Sneap and Richie Faulkner. Tipton is still there, but for what? He doesn't tour anymore because his hands shake. What a load of BS.
You can bet there are a lot of lawyers involved in the Pantera reunion as well. I doubt people like Rex (based on his book, which I'm hearing of for the first time on this thread) and Phil have a lot of love or respect for the Abbott brothers.
They're just like vultures drinking the blood and eating the marrow of those tragic SOBs while their carcasses are still warm and they remain in the public's memory.
RaceU4her
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id be willing to bet the only time they actually practiced together was the day or two before the tour when the crew gets together to set up and tear down the set a couple times preparing. zakks "spin on it" is a wonderful attempt to make us believe him not playing right is by design lol
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thegame
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I don’t know if you’ve followed the KK Downer drama on Blabbermouth but the guy seems to be an insufferable twat. I know I wouldn’t want to spend my twilight years in the company of such a contradictory complainer so I don’t blame the Priest camp for rejecting him at all.
Knot_Ur_Mom
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Sloppy is the perfect word to describe what I’ve seen
Knot_Ur_Mom
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You’re probably right on the money
Knot_Ur_Mom
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Swing a virtual dead cat and you’ll find 10 kids from 7-17 nailing Dime’s playing and tone in their bedroom…lol But that goes for every guitar great. If there’s a guy/gal who spent 30 years becoming an icon and master, there’s a 9 year old from Riffshredistan who can play all their parts perfectly….
Techdeth
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It’s really odd . Zakks improvs were so clean before
ccn
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Priest may have not referred to themselves as a tribute band after Halford left but without Halford Priest is not Priest and anybody with an ounce of honesty will tell you the same .
RevDrucifer
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The cash grab aspect of it goes away for me when there are far more people enjoying the shows than there are people making money off it. I don’t give a single fuck if musicians I grew up being inspired and influenced by are making money off doing their jobs and making me and millions of others happy in the process, seems unreasonable to look at it any differently, but YMMV.
I was a bit bummed when Zakk wasn’t doing the solos initially, but it seems he’s been putting some effort into them as time has gone on-
That right there is perfect, IMO. It’s clearly Zakk, but he’s still playing the solo Dime wrote. Haven’t watched any full shows recently to see what the other’s sound like, but that’s a definite improvement from last year.
And Vinnie said HE’D never get back onstage with Phil. Never said a tribute couldn’t happen at all.
Seeing guys like Grady and Sterling support it says a lot, IMO. Those dudes were IN it with Vinnie and Dime and they’ve been nothing but supportive.
I was a bit bummed when Zakk wasn’t doing the solos initially, but it seems he’s been putting some effort into them as time has gone on-
That right there is perfect, IMO. It’s clearly Zakk, but he’s still playing the solo Dime wrote. Haven’t watched any full shows recently to see what the other’s sound like, but that’s a definite improvement from last year.
And Vinnie said HE’D never get back onstage with Phil. Never said a tribute couldn’t happen at all.
Seeing guys like Grady and Sterling support it says a lot, IMO. Those dudes were IN it with Vinnie and Dime and they’ve been nothing but supportive.
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Techdeth
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Ya