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VonBonfire
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He keeps calling me a fool and idiot and insisting he won.You guys are just butt hurt that you lost the argument.
He keeps calling me a fool and idiot and insisting he won.You guys are just butt hurt that you lost the argument.
No quite the opposite.You guys are just butt hurt that you lost the argument.
You couldn't even figure out whether you believed icons were a heresy or not then you said you celebrate christmas after bashing me about stuff "not being in duh bible" so what the heck are you talking about?No quite the opposite.
Icons are a heresy if you "venerate them" as you would put it.You couldn't even figure out whether you believed icons were a heresy or not then you said you celebrate christmas after bashing me about stuff "not being in duh bible" so what the heck are you talking about?
What do you think @MontiCristo
Monday here!He's still at church
Was at church, yes.He's still at church
Reverence just means to show respect, so you have to twist it into meaning "worship" to make your argument. Do you have photos of loved ones on your wall? Is that idolatry? What about the temple and it's furnishings?Icons are a heresy if you "venerate them" as you would put it.
4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
It MAY not be a heresy if you just like them as a work of art and that's it.
It's shaky ground.
as him if it would be ok to put a picture up of Michael Jordan, or Joe Montana in the church?What do you think @MontiCristo
" Do you have photos of loved ones on your wall? Is that idolatry?"
uh, not a church, in a church service, around a church, in a worship meeting, prayer meeting, or anything of the sort.
why - because it's against scripture and Jesus is enough.
So why will protestant churches often have pictures of church staff or or plaques with the name of generous donors engraved on the wall since Jesus is enough? Detail to me how that would be any different than a stylized image of an author of the gospel? Or detail to me how the photo is not a sin, but a stylized image of a gospel author who lived before the age of photography is wrong?as him if it would be ok to put a picture up of Michael Jordan, or Joe Montana in the church?
curious his thoughts on that.
So why will protestant churches often have pictures of church staff or or plaques with the name of generous donors engraved on the wall since Jesus is enough? Detail to me how that would be any different than a stylized image of an author of the gospel? Or detail to me how the photo is not a sin, but a stylized image of a gospel author who lived before the age of photography is wrong?
If Jesus is enough, why do you have pictures on your wall at home and how is that not idolatry since the commandment you are quoting is general, no idols, no graven images? Aren't you putting the image of that person in a place of respect by hanging it in your home?
Explain the temple furnishings of the bible and describe to me how it's wrong to have things that call to mind the remembrance of our Lord? If Jesus is enough then is a cross necklace or other christian jewlery idolatry? If Jesus is enough then why not just have a book with only the words in red from the gospels in it? Wouldn't that be enough? I believe it would be enough, but the story is much richer than that, kind of like math is more than the 2+2=4.
Well, we are discussing "THE way" not "the ways" so if you aren't into a theological discussion I guess it doesn't matter, and probably isn't that interesting, since you say you don't care what faith someone practices.As someone who's been watching with this train wreck of a thread and really doesn't care what faith someone practices, this really feels like a giant stretch to prove your religion is superior.
But I have my own views of faith and religion so what do I know?
you are right @MadAsAHatter this isn't the right thread for this discussion. My fault.Shit... I didn't realize this was the flat earth thread. I thought this was the proof of God thread.
I guess both threads are now a religion pissing contest LOL!
'It is He who inhabits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; It is He who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to inhabit. '
Well @VonBonfire and @acceptance I’ve got you both now… if you want to believe in a circle Earth and describe it as a planar object then you can’t ever dig a hole because planar objects have no depth. They are two dimensional. So it’s either a sphere or a cylinder. Of course we know it’s not a cylinder so again you are being absurd and imposing your literalist interpretation on a book that was not written as a western science textbook to be interpreted that way.
'It is He who inhabits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; It is He who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to inhabit. '
Isaiah 40:22
well said, it's beneath anyone's intellectual level to even argue the sphere / circle.Well @VonBonfire and @acceptance I’ve got you both now… if you want to believe in a circle Earth and describe it as a planar object then you can’t ever dig a hole because planar objects have no depth. They are two dimensional. So it’s either a sphere or a cylinder. Of course we know it’s not a cylinder so again you are being absurd and imposing your literalist interpretation on a book that was not written as a western science textbook to be interpreted that way.