Proof the Earth is round

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MadAsAHatter said:
I know there's a common misconception that the bible says the earth is flat, but didn't realize it actually had a passages about the shape. I had to do a quick search to look more into this one. I suppose "circle of the earth" could maybe be interpreted as a flat circle. Though most references I found said that Isaiah used the Hebrew word "khug" here which in most languages translates to sphere. (edit: references said khug in hebrew literally means sphere, but could be translated to circle or sphere in other languages). English translation is the one that uses circle for this passage. Khug translating to sphere also seems to be backed up by pointing out other instances where it's used translating more specifically to sphere.

Another thing I found interesting is some references to Job 26:7-9 (Mainly 7). It was suggested that "empty space" is referencing and equivalent to astronomical space.

7 He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing. 8 He wraps up the waters in his clouds, yet the clouds do not burst under their weight. 9 He covers the face of the full moon, spreading his clouds over it.
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yessir, good info. Please note also that Job is the oldest book in the entire bible.
 
MontiCristo said:
well said, it's beneath anyone's intellectual level to even argue the sphere / circle.
The fact is the biblical authors knew the earth wasn't flat and it was spheroidal.
again, I don't even understand why this is a discussion.
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I've told them about "hermeneutics" the principles you learn at Bible college for interpreting the Bible. You have to take into account that there is a separation between the us and when the Bible was written. They don't talk about computers and cars and things we now know because their ancient culture didn't know about them. They didn't know about Australia or the US. Their worldview was smaller and yet the Bible's text is still not actually wrong if you interpret it between the lines.
 
Thumbpicker said:
I've told them about "hermeneutics" the principles you learn at Bible college for interpreting the Bible. You have to take into account that there is a separation between the us and when the Bible was written. They don't talk about computers and cars and things we now know because their ancient culture didn't know about them. They didn't know about Australia or the US. Their worldview was smaller and yet the Bible's text is still not actually wrong if you interpret it between the lines.
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what is their explanation for flight patterns? Airline pilots can visually see the sphere of the earth as the view of the sun shifts.
I think you are right, we are just dealing with delusional people.
 
MontiCristo said:
what is their explanation for flight patterns? Airline pilots can visually see the sphere of the earth as the view of the sun shifts.
I think you are right, we are just dealing with delusional people.
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Yes and what is their explanation of why the stars rotate around two poles as visible from the Earth. Our stars in the lil' ol' South rotate around the South Celestial Pole. You don't need to be in space to see that. Guess what, a spinning sphere has two poles.

PS - I'm from the South and have a southern accent. People in Mississippi are pretenders (ask them their latitude it has an "N" in it lol)
 
Thumbpicker said:
Yes and what is their explanation of why the stars rotate around two poles as visible from the Earth. Our stars in the lil' ol' South rotate around the South Celestial Pole. You don't need to be in space to see that. Guess what a spinning sphere has two poles.

PS - I'm from the South and have a southern accent. People in Mississippi are pretenders (ask them their latitude it has an "N" in it lol)
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they have to be pulling our chain. This can't be serious, no one can be that stupid.
 
Thumbpicker said:
I think VonBonfire thinks he has to think like a middle eastern goat herder to be Orthodox and grow one their quasi muslim billy goat beards.
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what I like is his continual disdain for what he calls "insults" when the thread shows a pile of them on his end, and the intial issue of saying he was going to slap me across the mouth is what started the entire thing. The hypocrisy knows no end apparently.

the earth is a sphere. Biblical writers knew it, everyone knows it.
Mary was not sinless, Biblical writers knew it, everyone knows it
veneration is sinful, Biblical writers knew it, everyone knows it.

time to move on to the next topic.
 
MontiCristo said:
what I like is his continual disdain for what he calls "insults" when the thread shows a pile of them on his end, and the intial issue of saying he was going to slap me across the mouth is what started the entire thing. The hypocrisy knows no end apparently.

the earth is a sphere. Biblical writers knew it, everyone knows it.
Mary was not sinless, Biblical writers knew it, everyone knows it
veneration is sinful, Biblical writers knew it, everyone knows it.

time to move on to the next topic.
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Veneration causes Venereal disease!
 
Yes plenty of hypocrisy... Not that we aren't hypocritical as well. Everyone is.

It's a bit like people saying they never lie - which is a lie in and of itself. Everyone has told a lie at some point.
 
MadAsAHatter said:
I suppose "circle of the earth" could maybe be interpreted as a flat circle. Though most references I found said that Isaiah used the Hebrew word "khug" here which in most languages translates to sphere. (edit: references said khug in hebrew literally means sphere, but could be translated to circle or sphere in other languages). English translation is the one that uses circle for this passage. Khug translating to sphere also seems to be backed up by pointing out other instances where it's used translating more specifically to sphere.
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A shitty translation might use sphere.

Ask Monti what his Legacy Bible uses... He thinks it's the most accurate translation.

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acceptance said:
A shitty translation might use sphere.

Ask Monti what his Legacy Bible uses... He thinks it's the most accurate translation.

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Read all the answers to it here. I think you get a balanced perspective.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-Hebrew-word-for-circle-and-sphere-indeed-the-same#:~:text=‎ח֣וּג (khoog), is the biblical word for sphere.

Personally I liked the answer that the Bible was written before people really knew and was the inspired word of God (ie. still written by men of their time in their own language).

In modern Hebrew there is a word for sphere but in ancient Hebrew there seemingly wasn't.

Again, it's not a science textbook to be analysed with a modern western mindset. The language is partly poetic and colloquial. There are things you can't know in 3500 years ago or whatever.

When are you people going to wake up to yourselves and be sensible.
 
acceptance said:
Rationalizations. I bet if Jesus himself came and told you all the earth was flat you'd give up Christianity.
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No read my expanded answer. You are being completely absurd.

Anyway, Jesus will not tell me the world is flat because plainly it isn't. We do not have to be idiots to be Christians.

Jesus will love me as God's son for being faithful in an age where people try and destroy your faith. You must apply hermeneutic principles to the interpretation of ancient scripture. That is NOT rationalisation.
 
acceptance said:
It wouldn't be if you read your bible.

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OK mate draw a section of a circle's circumference with radius of 6371km next to a straight line in your answer to my post here and show me if the sector of the circle looks flat to you. You people really are window lickers. That's not a personal attack. It's just stating the obvious. This is basic geometry.

Why is it hard to measure the distance to stars using triangulation. Maybe because they are so far away and the angle of the vertex of the triangle is so small. Again simple geometry.
 
Thumbpicker said:
OK mate draw a section of a circle's circumference with radius of 6371km next to a straight line in your answer to my post here and show me if the sector of the circle looks flat to you. You people really are window lickers. That's not a personal attack. It's just stating the obvious. This is basic geometry.

Why is it hard to measure the distance to stars using triangulation. Maybe because they are so far away and the angle of the vertex of the triangle is so small. Again simple geometry.
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What are you even talking about? The Bible states what it states. You're in denial bro.
 
Thumbpicker said:
You must apply hermeneutic principles to the interpretation of ancient scripture. That is NOT rationalisation.
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It's fine for you to pick and choose what you want to take literally and what you want to "contextualize" but you should just admit you're doing it.
 
acceptance said:
It's fine for you to pick and choose what you want to take literally and what you want to "contextualize" but you should just admit you're doing it.
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When you interpret a 3,500 year old text you have to take into account the culture and people that wrote it. The Bible is the "inspired word of God" it is not directly the word of God written by his own hand.

Again, we do not have to think like them - we are separated by 3,500 years (or something like that in the case of the book of Genesis). We read the truths that are written knowing we are separated by 3,500 years.
 
Thumbpicker said:
When you interpret a 3,500 year old text you have to take into account the culture and people that wrote it. The Bible is the "inspired word of God" it is not directly the word of God written by his own hand.

Again, we do not have to think like them - we are separated by 3,500 years (or something like that in the case of the book of Genesis). We read the truths that are written knowing we are separated by 3,500 years.
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don't engage with this dude man, he's a fool. The burden of proof is on them to prove that the earth isn't a sphere.
Why would you engage a "luciferian" when discussing the scriptures? He knows nothing of them.
 
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