acceptance
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Anyone can understand it however they want. It's only a very recent view though, and seems to me that people are awkwardly trying to cram their desired beliefs into the text, just like with a circle being a sphere.
Proof the Earth is round
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Floyd Eye
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It's not a view that I picked up anywhere, much less recently. Just something I thought about and considered.
And the reason people interpret the circle in the bible to mean a sphere is because it is really, REALLY obvious the earth is a sphere as are all the other celestial objects. So it makes sense. I'm not a dude living in a cave. I've had many intense conversations with people all over the world and you and Von are the only two people I have ever heard claim the earth wasn't a sphere. I never talked to any flat earthers and just assumed the whole thing was some kind of dumbass internet joke.
acceptance
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It's not obvious. It's only "obvious" if you take for granted the pictures you've seen. This is my foremost point.
Floyd Eye
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It's obvious to everyone who doesn't believe the entire world has conspired to trick everyone into believing the earth isn't a sphere for some crazy unknown reason.
acceptance
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Then you're admittedly biased.
acceptance
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Bible says the earth has "ends" (Spheres don't have ends) and is immoveable:
Psalm 104:5
You who laid the foundations of the earth, So that it should not be moved forever,
Job 28:24
For he looks to the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens.
Daniel 4:11
The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth.
Psalms 93:1
The Lord reigns; he is robed in majesty; the Lord is robed; he has put on strength as his belt. Yes, the world is established; it shall never be moved.
Job 28:24
For he looks to the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens
Psalm 104:5
You who laid the foundations of the earth, So that it should not be moved forever,
Job 28:24
For he looks to the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens.
Daniel 4:11
The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth.
Psalms 93:1
The Lord reigns; he is robed in majesty; the Lord is robed; he has put on strength as his belt. Yes, the world is established; it shall never be moved.
Job 28:24
For he looks to the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens
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VonBonfire
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Matthew 4 8
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
VonBonfire
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You couldn't see all the kingdoms of the world from an exceedingly high mountain unless it wasn't a sphere.
311splawndude
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With all due respect. These are just words in a book. Words written at a time when there was no explanation for how things are formed. They needed an explanation. Most believed the Earth was flat into the late 1400s right?
But then-
"According to historical records, the earliest known belief that the Earth was round is attributed to the Greek philosopher Pythagoras, who proposed the idea around 500 BC, mainly based on aesthetic reasons, considering the sphere the most perfect shape;. However, it was Aristotle (384-322 BC) who provided the first substantial evidence for a spherical Earth by observing lunar eclipses and the disappearance of ships over the horizon."
But then-
"According to historical records, the earliest known belief that the Earth was round is attributed to the Greek philosopher Pythagoras, who proposed the idea around 500 BC, mainly based on aesthetic reasons, considering the sphere the most perfect shape;. However, it was Aristotle (384-322 BC) who provided the first substantial evidence for a spherical Earth by observing lunar eclipses and the disappearance of ships over the horizon."
VonBonfire
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With all due respect. These are just words in a book.
It's a matter of faith. Who and what will you believe?
Thumbpicker
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Colloquialisms and again 3,500 year old text.
We still say sunrise. The sun doesn't actually rise at all. It's the Earth spinning. So if I wrote a book and said the sun rose you'd take that to mean I think the Earth is flat. Get off the grass...
MadAsAHatter
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@acceptance Where's my history lesson?
Since you insinuated I am wrong about it, you were supposed to enlighten me on the full history of globe earth. I was looking forward to having some good reading material while I took my morning #2.
Since you insinuated I am wrong about it, you were supposed to enlighten me on the full history of globe earth. I was looking forward to having some good reading material while I took my morning #2.
MadAsAHatter
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Here we are near 60 pages into this thread and @acceptance @VonBonfire you've both been presented with mounds of evidence for earth being a sphere. Scientific, mathematical, experimental, practical, observational, photographic, first had accounts, historical, and even biblical evidence. You've dismissed it all. It's fine and dandy if you want to live in your own reality on this subject, but if you're going to try to invalidate globe earth or validate flat earth you're going to have to provide something substantial to back up your claim. All you've done is say "I can't see the curve" or called things fake in a attempt to justify your position. In the same manner you haven't presented anything but flawed logic to back up your claim of flat earth. A video of someone pouring water on a basketball and saying it doesn't stick isn't going to cut it.
It's obvious there's nothing that would convince either of you that the earth is a globe/sphere. At this point I don't think you'd believe you own eyes if we all chipped in to send you up to space to see for yourself. You'd likely have some asinine excuse like the window was dirty and only made it look like the earth was round.
If at some point one of you can present some actual clear cut, valid evidence of your flat earth claim I'll hear it out. But you're going to need some evidence that's on par with what you have been presented on globe earth. And don't try to cop out with some it hasn't been worked out excuse. You should be more than capable of doing some background work and deriving a mathematical formula or something to back up your stance. Until then I think it's time to back away from your argument and stop digging that hole even deeper.
And I'm not even sure why @VonBonfire is continuing to advocate for a flat earth. You've clearly stated the orthodox church's stance and by extension your stance is "we don't know." I'm sure I'm wrong here, but I would think that would at least make you open to all theories of the shape of the earth and not be dismissive of everything but flat earth. By continuing to advocate for flat earth, that puts you at odds with the official stance of the orthodox church. Wouldn't contradicting the orthodox church make you a heretic?
You guys run along and keep living in your altered reality. Come back when you have something that can substantiate your claims.
It's obvious there's nothing that would convince either of you that the earth is a globe/sphere. At this point I don't think you'd believe you own eyes if we all chipped in to send you up to space to see for yourself. You'd likely have some asinine excuse like the window was dirty and only made it look like the earth was round.
If at some point one of you can present some actual clear cut, valid evidence of your flat earth claim I'll hear it out. But you're going to need some evidence that's on par with what you have been presented on globe earth. And don't try to cop out with some it hasn't been worked out excuse. You should be more than capable of doing some background work and deriving a mathematical formula or something to back up your stance. Until then I think it's time to back away from your argument and stop digging that hole even deeper.
And I'm not even sure why @VonBonfire is continuing to advocate for a flat earth. You've clearly stated the orthodox church's stance and by extension your stance is "we don't know." I'm sure I'm wrong here, but I would think that would at least make you open to all theories of the shape of the earth and not be dismissive of everything but flat earth. By continuing to advocate for flat earth, that puts you at odds with the official stance of the orthodox church. Wouldn't contradicting the orthodox church make you a heretic?
You guys run along and keep living in your altered reality. Come back when you have something that can substantiate your claims.
Thumbpicker
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For someone that’s as mad as a hatter I hereby certify you as officially sane
MadAsAHatter
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I'm crazy, not stupidFor someone that’s as mad as a hatter I hereby certify you as officially sane
VonBonfire
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My bible doesn't say that, neither does yours and you've clearly established your "not in the bible=not real" theology here.
Show me where I said it was flat earth. I"ve joked about it being a pancake and posted some bible verses that suggest it's not a ball. That doesn't make me a flat earther anymore than being protestant makes somebody a christian.
I guess this is turning into your science based pissing contest but it's a pretty meaningless argument for non-pagans.
acceptance
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I never said I was going to give you a history lesson. I only stated that the shape of the earth wasn't "established" in the 300's like you said.
MadAsAHatter
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I'll concede that you have not explicitly said the earth is flat. But you have on numerous occasion in several threads referenced flat earth and used flat earth arguments to refute globe earth. That includes all the times you called pictures of the earth fake, said the horizon looks flat/don't see a curve, water is level, the earth is covered by a dome (firmament), referenced a circle which implies flat, refuted a mirage, etc. These are all part of flat earth theory. You've also agreed with acceptance in his presentation of flat earth. Further you have not made reference to a single alternate theory or evidence of any other possible shapes such as cylinder, conical, cube, etc. And yes these are actual alternate, tough lesser known theories for the shape of the earth. I don't count random musings of "it could be concave on one side" as presenting an alternate theory.Show me where I said it was flat earth. I"ve joked about it being a pancake and posted some bible verses that suggest it's not a ball. That doesn't make me a flat earther anymore than being protestant makes somebody a christian.
So please forgive those of us who based on this evidence inferred that you lean to flat earth as the predominant theory/shape of earth you accept.
acceptance
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I'm not sure what "mounds" of evidence you're referring to, but if it's as strong as your Bible evidence and fake photos I'm not holding my breath. What is your best evidence that the earth is a rotating sphere?