Proof the Earth is round

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The dome covering the Earth was considered to be sitting on pillars, which were thought to be the “foundations of the earth."

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This is extremely obviously not the case.

Of note, your last illustration of this had the underworld listed as Sheol. In my opinion that proves men have always interpreted the bible in their own, often contradictory ways. And that is never going to change.
 
I just think it's as credible as someone claiming we are on a spinning ball.
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Well, none of us can know for sure. I am confident Jesus would have laughed at the notion of a spinning ball earth.
I'm not confident in that at all and I don't know how you could possibly be confident in that. Gut feeling based on your own biases ? You didn't know Jesus and there really is no indication anywhere of how he felt about such matters. It's like me saying that Socrates was most likely addicted to masturbating with a rope tied around his neck. There's simply nothing there other than random conjecture from someone with zero inside knowledge.
 
I'm not confident in that at all and I don't know how you could possibly be confident in that. Gut feeling based on your own biases ?
Because the ancient hebrews did not believe in a spinning ball. They just didn't. In fact, contrary to @MadAsAHatter s claims, the idea that we live on a spinning ball was a novelty in the ancient world.
 
C'mon, all I asked was for your best evidence that the earth is a rotating sphere, and a single source that demonstrates it was "widely accepted" by 300 AD that the earth is a sphere.
You've been provided with sources several times throughout this thread which you dismissed with no consideration to their validity. I'm not doing the work for you this time. Besides a simple search will yield results.

That's not really my position though.
It is absolutely your position. An example is you have stated that you don't see a curve in the horizon therefore it is flat; i.e. the curve doesn't exist. A second example; many times you implied gravity doesn't exist because you couldn't "feel" it. Again flawed logic of I can't detect it so it doesn't exist.
This meme you just posed is flawed logic as well.

Well, you're the one calling the Chicago skyline a mirage.
Which can be validated through physics, physiology, mathematics, and experimentation. I'll give you this simplistic video that explains it; though you'll likely dismiss it as per usual.

Flat Earthers may be wrong, but I would much prefer to live in a society where people trusted their own senses and cognition instead of being programmed to believe absurdities.
You're more than welcome to replicate any of the experiments, work through mathematical formulas, and trust your results enough to present them for peer evaluation. What's stopping you?
 
Because the ancient hebrews did not believe in a spinning ball. They just didn't. In fact, contrary to @MadAsAHatter s claims, the idea that we live on a spinning ball was a novelty in the ancient world.
So what happened to " Jesus would presumably know".
 
Lots of things are part of flat earth theory it doesn't mean I have drawn a final conclusion that we live on a flat earth. I just think it's as credible as someone claiming we are on a spinning ball. To believe that you have to deny pretty much all your senses and put your faith into what other people say.
As I said to acceptance, You're more than welcome to replicate any of the experiments, work through mathematical formulas, and trust your results enough to present them for peer evaluation. What's stopping you?
 
Because the ancient hebrews did not believe in a spinning ball. They just didn't. In fact, contrary to @MadAsAHatter s claims, the idea that we live on a spinning ball was a novelty in the ancient world.
Please prove me wrong. give me that history lesson I asked for.
 
As I said to acceptance, You're more than welcome to replicate any of the experiments, work through mathematical formulas, and trust your results enough to present them for peer evaluation. What's stopping you?
It's irrelevant to me. Utterly meaningless. When I google "flat earth" and all I get is stuff attempting to debunk it it's the equivalent of looking up something a conservative said and reading a democrat party fact check as to whether it's true or not. They are attempting to maintain control of a narrative that they no longer are the sole possessor of.
 
When I google "flat earth" and all I get is stuff attempting to debunk it it's the equivalent of looking up something a conservative said and reading a democrat party fact check as to whether it's true or not. They are attempting to maintain control of a narrative that they no longer are the sole possessor of.
Exaaaaactly.
 
It is absolutely your position. An example is you have stated that you don't see a curve in the horizon therefore it is flat; i.e. the curve doesn't exist. A second example; many times you implied gravity doesn't exist because you couldn't "feel" it. Again flawed logic of I can't detect it so it doesn't exist.
But I am not arguing that these points make it impossible that the earth is a spinning ball. I am arguing that they are evidence against it being a spinning ball.
 
I always thought the two could exist harmoniously. Evolution as well. Somewhere in my head I also think Buddha, Allah, Ganesh and the Christian god could all be the same thing. The whole scattering the people all over the earth and confusing their language thing. Genesis, tower of babel, etc..

I thought all of the bible was an interpretation ? A day to god is 10,000 years or something right. Says that somewhere. There is nothing to say that the 7 days in which God created the earth and the heavens and the animals and everything else wasn't in fact the big bang and evolution. Our measure of time is not god's measure of time and the bible doesn't specify the manner by which he created the universe.

This is what I believe and I'm not even religious. :dunno:
 
As I said to acceptance, You're more than welcome to replicate any of the experiments, work through mathematical formulas, and trust your results enough to present them for peer evaluation. What's stopping you?
You have what is almost verging on a non-falsifiable theory, given that direct observation is dismissed as mirage, curves are too large to measure, altitudes too high to attain, invisible forces unable to be directly detected...
 
Now granted I was pretty stoned, but when we had that last eclipse in June or whatever, you can literally 'feel' it. It was as if 100,000 years of mammalian instinct and experience flows through you while you witness it. Just because ancient theologians couldn't travel to the moon, doesn't necessarily mean that the Earth is flat, flat'ish, pancake, circular, disk, concave, whatever.

BTW - to me, 'traveling to the ends of the Earth is just a phrase or synonym; an analogy. It just refers to being widely traveled and seeing lots of places for yourself.

Aristotle witnessed it while watching ships sail over the horizon. At that time, I'm sure there were lots of ships that didn't make it home. They probably assumed the ship fell off the plane of the Earth :dunno: I'm spit ballin' :lol:

Also not sure how logical it would be to have an ice wall going around the perimeter of the flat'ish planet.
 
Also not sure how logical it would be to have an ice wall going around the perimeter of the flat'ish planet.
It's not much harder to believe than it is to buy into the idea we are on a rapidly spinning ball, all of us kept from flying off by some mystical, unidentifiable force called "gravity".
 
It's irrelevant to me. Utterly meaningless. When I google "flat earth" and all I get is stuff attempting to debunk it it's the equivalent of looking up something a conservative said and reading a democrat party fact check as to whether it's true or not. They are attempting to maintain control of a narrative that they no longer are the sole possessor of.
You have what is almost verging on a non-falsifiable theory, given that direct observation is dismissed as mirage, curves are too large to measure, altitudes too high to attain, invisible forces unable to be directly detected...
Exaaaaactly.
Yes, exactly. If you don't trust the source do your own work, nothing's stopping you.
But basic observation isn't enough. You'll need to do something more to validate your observation.
You don't think what you're seeing is a mirage. Design an experiment that can be tested and replicated to show it's not a mirage. Use geometry to measure large curves. You have a hypothesis; test it out, see if it can be replicated. Who knows, you may develop a brand new concept or physics or invent a new branch of math in the process.
 
But I am not arguing that these points make it impossible that the earth is a spinning ball. I am arguing that they are evidence against it being a spinning ball.
Irrelevant what point you're arguing, you're using flawed logic to do it.
 
Yes, exactly. If you don't trust the source do your own work, nothing's stopping you.
Science only offers theories and models on the subject, not certitudes. Because of our limited perspective as humans it's an unknown, hence the church's official stance.
 
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