Proof the Earth is round

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acceptance said:
That's your belief. They are arguing that is not true, or not quite as represented anyways.
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well, that's just your interpretation @acceptance
your interpretation of what they are arguing is just that, your interpretation.
 
VonBonfire said:
Exodus says Moses spoke with God face to face, as one man speaks to another Exodus 33:11. A few verses later it says "no one can look upon the face of God and live". Exodus 33:20. An apparent contradiction that only makes sense when we realize that the "God" Moses spoke to was Christ, as we can only know God through him. We can take a deep dive but it's probably better suited to the God thread.
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this is correct. We know this because when Moses asked God what His name was, He said "I am".
It was Jesus He was conversing with. Jesus who led them out of the land of Egypt.
When Jesus when being pushed by the pharisees, answered with the same name "I am". - This was the name of God. Jesus' claim to deity is undeniable.

56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” 57So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” 58Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
 
MontiCristo said:
Incorrect. The bible clearly states that Jesus made all things. Everything.
I have already provided you with the text confirming this and it clearly contains the words "everything" and "all things".
There is no disputing the bible teaches Jesus created all things.
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I already told you I wasn't arguing that he didn't (In a couple NT passages anyways).
 
MontiCristo said:
this is correct. We know this because when Moses asked God what His name was, He said "I am".
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MontiCristo said:
It was Jesus He was conversing with. Jesus who led them out of the land of Egypt.
When Jesus when being pushed by the pharisees, answered with the same name "I am". - This was the name of God. Jesus' claim to deity is undeniable.

56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” 57So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” 58Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
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My son likes to tell me the marching formation of the tribes surrounding the tabernacle formed a cross. Also, in the passover feast the blood was smeared on the sides and top of the door, forming a bloody cross. Further, if you look into the oral torah of the jews the procedure for for roasting the passover lamb was upright, on a pole, with a cross piece to prop open the chest cavity. The entire OT and all the festivals in it point to Christ.
 
VonBonfire said:
I don't know. I'd have to ask my priest about it but it seems pretty self explanatory for Christian believers since it does say God dictated the Torah to him on Mt. Sinai. Otherwise it's a massive contradiction within a few verses of each other.
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Well at least some Protestants have a different take. It's not the only way to reconcile the apparent contradiction.
 
VonBonfire said:
My son likes to tell me the marching formation of the tribes surrounding the tabernacle formed a cross. Also, in the passover feast the blood was smeared on the sides and top of the door, forming a bloody cross. Further, if you look into the oral torah of the jews the procedure for for roasting the passover lamb was upright, on a pole, with a cross piece to prop open the chest cavity. The entire OT and all the festivals in it point to Christ.
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love it!
 
MontiCristo said:
Well, Jude clearly states it was Jesus who delivered the Hebrews out of the land of Egypt.
But I'm sure you'll imply some gymnastics and try to say this doesn't say what it says it does.
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I know you're just catching up to speed here, but I wasn't arguing that the New testament doesn't say that Jesus can be found in the Old testament. Can you try to read what I write a little more closely?
 
acceptance said:
I already told you I wasn't arguing that he didn't (In a couple NT passages anyways).
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yes you were - here are your exact words " Anyways, the "Bible" doesn't say he created the earth,".
are you saying you didn't say this above?
 
acceptance said:
I know you're just catching up to speed here, but I wasn't arguing that the New testament doesn't say that Jesus can be found in the Old testament. Can you try to read what I write a little more closely?
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again your words right here "again, the bible doesn't say He created the earth".
 
acceptance said:
"The Bible" has a lot of books bro. There is also dispute about which books belong in it.
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Ok, so you did say it, or you didn't say it?

This is what you aren't understanding. The bible makes definitive, assertive claims, that are not up to interpretation. Just because you don't believe them, does not make them non existent.

You said "the bible doesn't teach that Jesus created the Earth".
That statement is false, the bible does teach that.

What you need to start doing is saying " I don't believe what the Bible teaches about this or that".
That's good faith and that is a conversation we can have.
 
acceptance said:
It's "an interpretation."
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wrong again. It isn't an interpretation for Jesus to say He is "I AM" and God at the burning bush to say my name is "I am".
It's Historical documentation.

you just don't like what you are reading and attempt to hide behind "that's your interpretation".
 
acceptance said:
"The Bible" has a lot of books bro. There is also dispute about which books belong in it.
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This is true since the orthodox include the first three Maccabees, the wisdom of Solomon, Sirach, Baruch, and the prayer of Manasseh as canonical. Originally there was no disputing of their canon status which is why they are included in orthodox and catholic bibles.
 
MontiCristo said:
You said "the bible doesn't teach that Jesus created the Earth".
That statement is false, the bible does teach that.
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I said "The Bible" doesn't teach it, because "it" doesn't. You can find a few passages in the New testament books, of which Jews for example don't even recognize. It is of course debatable that the Hebrew Bible teaches it.
 
acceptance said:
I said "The Bible" doesn't teach it, because "it" doesn't. You can find a few passages in the New testament books, of which Jews for example don't even recognize. It is of course debatable that the Hebrew Bible teaches it.
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please reconcile "the bible doesn't teach it" with " you can find a few passages in the New Testament books".


that's a contradiction because the Bible consists of both Old and New Testament.
 
MontiCristo said:
wrong again. It isn't an interpretation for Jesus to say He is "I AM" and God at the burning bush to say my name is "I am".
It's Historical documentation.

you just don't like what you are reading and attempt to hide behind "that's your interpretation".
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It is " an interpretation " that it was Jesus at the burning bush with Moses. Sheesh how long are we going to do this for?
 
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