Proof the Earth is round

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1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

John 1:1-3 Legacy Standard Bible
 
MontiCristo said:
please reconcile "the bible doesn't teach it" with " you can find a few passages in the New Testament books".


that's a contradiction because the Bible consists of both Old and New Testament.
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Because it's just a few passages and you're presenting as if the whole collection of books in the Bible consistently teaches it when they don't.
 
acceptance said:
It is " an interpretation " that it was Jesus at the burning bush with Moses. Sheesh how long are we going to do this for?
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nope. The Name used is exactly the same. Jesus flat out, without a shadow of a doubt made the claim that He was the one with Moses at that bush.
you don't know anything of hermeneutics or theological arguments, nor do you know the bible. The best thing for you to do is to stay quiet on the matter or perhaps ask questions.
 
acceptance said:
Because it's just a few passages and you're presenting as if the whole collection of books in the Bible consistently teaches it when they don't.
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It's 7 total passages and they all teach Jesus created the universe my freind.
again, you know nothing of the bible.
 
MontiCristo said:
nope. The Name used is exactly the same. Jesus flat out, without a shadow of a doubt made the claim that He was the one with Moses at that bush.
you don't know anything of hermeneutics or theological arguments, nor do you know the bible. The best thing for you to do is to stay quiet on the matter or perhaps ask questions.
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I know it's the same name, and I know you as a Christian believe that's what it means. But a Jew looking at the same passage will of course not understand it the same way. This is what I'm referring to about you believing that your view of the Bible is somehow the only view. It's ridiculous and suggests to me that you have the narcissistic mind of a toddler. The whole world doesn't revolve around you bro.
 
'By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible. '

Hebrews 11:3

John 1:1
The Deity of Jesus Christ
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overtake it.
 
acceptance said:
I know it's the same name, and I know you as a Christian believe that's what it means. But a Jew looking at the same passage will of course not understand it the same way. This is what I'm saying about you believing that your view of the Bible is somehow the only view. It's ridiculous and suggest to me that you have the narcissistic mind of a toddler. The whole world doesn't revolve around you bro.
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nope. Not about what it means, about what it says. It says Jesus told the pharisees He was God.
oh, and Jew would understand it, that's why the pharisees (who were Jewish) responded like this -

'Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple.'

John 8:59

stick to the flat earth topic, I graduated from theological seminary and this isn't a debate you want to get into with me, because I actually know my bible.
 
MontiCristo said:
nope. Not about what it means, about what it says. It says Jesus told the pharisees He was God.
oh, and Jew would understand it, that's why the pharisees (who were Jewish) responded like this -

'Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple.'

John 8:59

stick to the flat earth topic, I graduated from theological seminary and this isn't a debate you want to get into with me, because I actually know my bible.
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The Old testament passage says nothing at all about Jesus. You believe it refers to Jesus because you believe the New testament teaches it. This has nothing to do with theology, it has to do with recognizing that people read the text with different frameworks, so you can take your $22.50 diploma and lump it.
 
acceptance said:
I know it's the same name, and I know you as a Christian believe that's what it means. But a Jew looking at the same passage will of course not understand it the same way. This is what I'm saying about you believing that your view of the Bible is somehow the only view. It's ridiculous and suggest to me that you have the narcissistic mind of a toddler. The whole world doesn't revolve around you bro.
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nope. Not about what it means, about what it says. It says Jesus told the pharisees He was God.
oh, and Jew would understand it, that's why the pharisees (who were Jewish) responded like this -

'Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple.'

John 8:59

stick to the flat earth topic, I graduated from theological seminary and this isn't a debate you want to get into with me, because I actually know my bible.
acceptance said:
The Old testament passage says nothing at all about Jesus. You believe it refers to Jesus because you believe the New testament teaches it. This has nothing to do with theology, so you can take your $22.50 diploma and lump it.
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are you sure about that? would you like me to start dropping the texts from Isaiah and Jeremiah?
are you sure the OT doesn't mention Jesus?
 
Bro I don't even know how you graduated from anything, you are all over the place.
 
acceptance said:
The Old testament passage says nothing at all about Jesus. You believe it refers to Jesus because you believe the New testament teaches it. This has nothing to do with theology, it has to do with recognizing that people read the text with different frameworks, so you can take your $22.50 diploma and lump it.
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"this has nothing to do with theology" what are you even saying?


theology

  1. the study of the nature of God and religious belief.
    "a theology degree"
    • religious beliefs and theory when systematically developed.
      plural noun: theologies
      "a willingness to tolerate new theologies"
 
Well given he's one person of the Trinity it stands to reason he was around when the Earth was created. I only speculated as to what he knew and didn't know in human form. It wouldn't surprise me if someone said he knew everything in human form or had some things obscured from him because he was in human form and had taken on the attributes of a human because he was made flesh. If someone showed me a verse that said he knew absolutely everything in human form I wouldn't deny it.
 
MontiCristo said:
"this has nothing to do with theology" what are you even saying?


theology

  1. the study of the nature of God and religious belief.
    "a theology degree"
    • religious beliefs and theory when systematically developed.
      plural noun: theologies
      "a willingness to tolerate new theologies"
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I clarified:

"This has nothing to do with theology, it has to do with recognizing that people read the text with different frameworks (of understanding)"
 
acceptance said:
I clarified:

"This has nothing to do with theology, it has to do with recognizing that people read the text with different frameworks (of understanding)"
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you cannot read "everything that was made was made by Him" and then interpret that to mean "He didn't make something".

no one of sound mind would make that claim, and you have, many times today.
again, you don't know anything the bible teaches, or what it says. Stick to other topics.
 
Thumbpicker said:
Well given he's one person of the Trinity it stands to reason he was around when the Earth was created. I only speculated as to what he knew and didn't know in human form. It wouldn't surprise me if someone said he knew everything in human form or had some things obscured from him because he was in human form and had taken on the attributes of a human because he was made flesh. If someone showed me a verse that said he knew absolutely everything in human form I wouldn't deny it.
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He wasn't "around when the earth was created" - He created the earth and the universe and everything that exists.
 
MontiCristo said:
you cannot read "everything that was made was made by Him" and then interpret that to mean "He didn't make something".

no one of sound mind would make that claim, and you have, many times today.
again, you don't know anything the bible teaches, or what it says. Stick to other topics.
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I don't think you can handle two separate threads of argument at the same time.
 
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