Thumbpicker
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@acceptance
You need to repent
You need to repent
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VonBonfire
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Joshua=Yeshua/Yehoshua. It's the same name meaning "Yahweh is salvation"
acceptance
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I know nothing about the guy but he strikes me as a dork.
Thumbpicker
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@acceptance I wouldn't be laughing - hell is a terrible thing.
acceptance
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I know, PLX told me all about it.
Thumbpicker
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It will be far worse than having to listen to endless Van Halen covers. Although I shouldn't even make a joke about it.
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VonBonfire
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The LaVey story isn't true from what I have gathered. I have heard it discredited several times.
Thumbpicker
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What is true whether the story is an urban myth or not is if you are a satanist it will become true after you die.
acceptance
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Good one though
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VonBonfire
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Except we can never know what goes through someone's head while they lay on their death bed. He may have found Christ in that time.
Thumbpicker
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If that is true then one is not a satanist at the end. However if you die a satanist hell awaits. No doubt about it. I'm not on shaky ground here.
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VonBonfire
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I'm just saying that people use that LaVey story and your average christian will say "he is in hell" etc etc when they do not know.
Thumbpicker
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If one does not die a Christian there is no doubt hell awaits. The Bible can't be clearer. The whole point of being a Christian is to be saved by Christ. If you are not saved you are not saved pretty obvious. In the case of a satanist you are aligning yourself with God's enemy who he cast out. Can it be any clearer? The Bible tells you what awaits. Cast into the lake of fire.
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VonBonfire
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We orthodox never use "saved" in the past tense. It is an ongoing work. We pray for the non-christian dead because unlike us mortals, God is not bound by time, therefore he could still decide to influence their life differently while they were alive (in our past) thereby changing the outcome. Food for thought.
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VonBonfire
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@Thumbpicker bear in mind nothing is set in stone until the final judgement.
MontiCristo
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fundamental difference between orthodoxy and Protestantism right there brother.
We would find that outside of the teachings of scripture.
But I'm sure you are aware of that.
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VonBonfire
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I think a deep dive might change your mind. Even you said "they will be cast into the lake of fire". That's the final judgment, not the current state of those who have died outside of Christ. In saying as much as you have it would imply someone who was undecided, or had never heard the gospel, is also condemned to the same fate since they didn't believe in Christ, no?fundamental difference between orthodoxy and Protestantism right there brother.
We would find that outside of the teachings of scripture.
But I'm sure you are aware of that.
acceptance
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I agree you're not really on shaky ground, but there is a debate to be had. Not all Christians view it the same way.
Thumbpicker
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Once saved always saved. If you aren't saved you were never a Christian. Works based salvation is incorrect. Works only flow from repentance which is an attitude.
John 10
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Thumbpicker
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If you die in Christ you are saved, if you don't die in Christ you are not saved. That determines what happens in the final judgement.