Proof there is a God

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VonBonfire said:
Orthodox or non orthodox? If he is non-orthodox he is treated and judged as someone outside orthodoxy. That doesn't mean he cannot go to heaven, it just means if he does go to heaven his reward will be less than someone who lived a similar life but was orthodox and did take communion.

Yes, that is Dismas and he is a saint in the orthodox church. Gesmas was unrepentant and did not enter Paradise with the Lord.
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??‍♂️ Jesus said “today you will be with me in paradise “. None of what you just said is in scripture, none of it
 
MontiCristo said:
No they won’t - as per scripture faith in Christ will.
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I was just giving thumbpicker a little taste of his medicine. Protestants do not very much revere communion though. Your own words here testify to it.
 
VonBonfire said:
I was just giving thumbpicker a little taste of his medicine. Protestants do not very much revere communion though. Your own words here testify to it.
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I am not giving trying to give you medicine anyway.

I'm going to give it a break - I have things to do this afternoon. You should reflect on the things we said though.
 
MontiCristo said:
??‍♂️ Jesus said “today you will be with me in paradise “. None of what you just said is in scripture, none of it
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There are rewards in heaven. There are spiritual gifts. There are crowns. Nominal lay person will not receive the same reward as someone who has given their life for the faith. That's why the apostles asked who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

If everyone knew how difficult it was to be a monk, no one would become a monk. If everyone knew how great the reward for being a monk was, everyone would want to become a monk.
 
VonBonfire said:
I was just giving thumbpicker a little taste of his medicine. Protestants do not very much revere communion though. Your own words here testify to it.
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Not correct about my position on the Eucharist. Regardless, Jesus said “as often as you do this you proclaim my death” we’ve been through this. Many were saved prior to receiving communion as attested by Christ for the display of their faith, not their adherence to rituals
 
VonBonfire said:
There are rewards in heaven. There are spiritual gifts. There are crowns. Nominal lay person will not receive the same reward as someone who has given their life for the faith. That's why the apostles asked who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

If everyone knew how difficult it was to be a monk, no one would become a monk. If everyone knew how great the reward for being a monk was, everyone would want to become a monk.
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Rewards shouldn't really be a motivation. A servant mentality is a better way to think about how you should be.

He who would be first must be last.
 
VonBonfire said:
There are rewards in heaven. There are spiritual gifts. There are crowns. Nominal lay person will not receive the same reward as someone who has given their life for the faith. That's why the apostles asked who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

If everyone knew how difficult it was to be a monk, no one would become a monk. If everyone knew how great the reward for being a monk was, everyone would want to become a monk.
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So in your view what man “does” (works for those paying attention) enables him access to heaven. We aren’t talking about rewards we are talking about what is required for one to enter heaven.

Do you acknowledge that faith and faith alone is what justified a man before God?
 
@VonBonfire Not sure why you say we don't revere communion. We understand it differently to you obviously.
 
MontiCristo said:
Not correct about my position on the Eucharist. Regardless, Jesus said “as often as you do this you proclaim my death” we’ve been through this. Many were saved prior to receiving communion as attested by Christ for the display of their faith, not their adherence to rituals
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Keeping the faith and holding to the traditions of the early church are absolutely critical. You've dispensed with ritual in protestantism which is why your "communion" is near meaningless and borderline humorous tbh.
 
I too am hanging it up.
Good evening gents
I appreciate the conversation.
I truly mean no disrespect, I’m a passionate guy and come across as such at times.

@Von - I truly believe you are adhering to a “diffferent gospel” a very “works based” gospel and it’s pharasaical in nature.

Please consider the texts that we have presented.
Good evening
 
VonBonfire said:
Keeping the faith and holding to the traditions of the early church are absolutely critical. You've dispensed with ritual in protestantism which is why your "communion" is near meaningless and borderline humorous tbh.
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Neither of us ever laid out the liturgy behind our communion. We simply highlighted the absurdity of yours (cannibalism). You have no ground to attack our approach to it because its conjecture.
 
Thumbpicker said:
@VonBonfire Not sure why you say we don't revere communion. We understand it differently to you obviously.
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Because grape juice from a plastic cup and bread flakes off a pan doesn't really compare to bread and wine in a golden cup of blessing served to the entire congregation from a single golden spoon. We have the relics of saints and martyrs on our walls and on our altar. We all drink from the Lord's cup. In protestantism there is no Lord's cup, there is just some plastic throwaways. The symbology there alone is pretty much descriptive of how much has been lost in western christianity post Luther.
 
MontiCristo said:
@Von - I truly believe you are adhering to a “diffferent gospel” a very “works based” gospel and it’s pharasaical in nature.
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My church founders wrote your gospel. Take that to bed with you.
 
This thread is moving too fast. Catch up tomorrow :lol:


acceptance said:
I don't think it is - he's saying God's existence is as obvious as water is to a fish. That's not the case for most of us.
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That's why I used the word 'fair' and not 'excellent' :D

It was a fair assessment. I usually rule out subjective truths right away anyway. Except for round earth.
 
VonBonfire said:
Because grape juice from a plastic cup and bread flakes off a pan doesn't really compare to bread and wine in a golden cup of blessing served to the entire congregation from a single golden spoon. We have the relics of saints and martyrs on our walls and on our altar. We all drink from the Lord's cup. In protestantism there is no Lord's cup, there is just some plastic throwaways. The symbology there alone is pretty much descriptive of how much has been lost in western christianity post Luther.
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What you describe isn’t even close to how my church partakes in the Lords supper. You’re operating in conjecture from a position of defensiveness.
 
VonBonfire said:
Because grape juice from a plastic cup and bread flakes off a pan doesn't really compare to bread and wine in a golden cup of blessing served to the entire congregation from a single golden spoon. We have the relics of saints and martyrs on our walls and on our altar. We all drink from the Lord's cup. In protestantism there is no Lord's cup, there is just some plastic throwaways. The symbology there alone is pretty much descriptive of how much has been lost in western christianity post Luther.
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Do you really think Jesus cares about wine in a Golden cup and a golden spoon blah blah blah.

You have to be kidding.

I can't imagine what he'd say to that. I don't reckon he'd be happy
 
MontiCristo said:
No Sir the Lord God almighty did.
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Matthrew, Mark, Luke, John..... It was not dictated by Christ like the Torah was.

My church founders wrote the gospel that you are currently twisting in your lack of understanding.
 
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