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Shask said:
Yeah, I saw a screen shot where they said it was.
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I saw the same screenshot but I'm not convinced the person responding in their social media wasn't confusing true bypass with analog dry through. I've seen zero documentation that says the 2290 has ADT, which is something that's usually marketed for a product if it exists.

Shask said:
There is a volume for the direct signal, and one for the delayed signal. You control them independently.
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You can't increase/boost volume of the wet past the original dry signal, which is something you can do with the original and is important in complex rigs such as these ones in this thread. The Boss SDE-3000EVH/D pedals allow you crank output level of the wet. It really helps with parallel routing effects through a mixer when kill-dry is enabled.
 
SonVolt said:
I saw the same screenshot but I'm not convinced the person responding in their social media wasn't confusing true bypass with analog dry through. I've seen zero documentation that says the 2290 has ADT, which is something that's usually marketed for a product if it exists.



You can't increase/boost volume of the wet past the original dry signal, which is something you can do with the original and is important in complex rigs such as these ones in this thread. The Boss SDE-3000EVH/D pedals allow you crank output level of the wet. It really helps with parallel routing effects through a mixer when kill-dry is enabled.
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OK, I dont think it is Analog Dry Through. I did some testing tonight. I threw it in the parallel loop of my Recto, and I definitely got comb filtering when it was bypassed. When running a delay, if I turned the direct down to 0, it got kind of weak and weird sounding, so I don't think it would work in a parallel loop. For comparison I also used my Flashback II, and it didn't have that problem.

I didn't have my SDE-3000D available, but I remember briefly testing this awhile back and I don't remember having the same issue.

I will say though, in series, I think this is the cleanest digital bypass I have experienced. Putting it in a loop switch and flicking it on and off, I could barely tell the difference. Putting it in line was kind of like inserting a buffer. Not nearly as noticeable as my Fractal stuff, for example, where I definitely notice dynamics loss.
 
I'm assuming it's analog bypass with a buffer. If it's sending your signal through AD/DA when bypassed we got real problems.

Interesting on your findings. The SDE-3000 is a much superior unit to the 2290P. It's twice as expensive though.
 
SonVolt said:
I'm assuming it's analog bypass with a buffer. If it's sending your signal through AD/DA when bypassed we got real problems.

Interesting on your findings. The SDE-3000 is a much superior unit to the 2290P. It's twice as expensive though.
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I have been reading about it, and apparently you can select buffered/trails bypass, or true bypass, but you have to plug it into the app to change it. I haven't changed anything on it yet since I just got it, so I assume it comes in buffered/trails mode. I will have to switch the bypass mode and try again. I did notice the comb filtering was less when I had it active vs. bypass. I had to really crank the delay level to make the comb filtering super noticeable.

I know the SDE-3000D was the same way, you can select analog/DSP bypass, but you can actually change it without an app.
 
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one thing i haven’t tried yet is running the syn-2 in the loop of the Mark III and integrate the boogie’s preamp into my rack world.

anyone here tried that out?
 
Still rockin' the rack, will always...my setup hasn't changed for a while so no new pics but, throwing my hat in the ring ...I quite like David's idea of using the Tri Avatar for chorus duties rather than pay the ridiculous prices...I actually had the thought of trying a Tricera for this job a while back myself(because of the increased headroom over the H9) but never really implemented it(only because the idea of a dedicated unit has appeal to me for some duties)...not that I'm lacking in modulations(at all!), but still. @mentoneman David insists the Tri Avatar has the headroom and it certainly sounds great, The Tricera would include it's pitch shift to get it's sound which is nice, but would sound lacking compared to the Eclipse micropitch....I may give the tri avatar a go(at line level)
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Still rockin' the rack, will always...my setup hasn't changed for a while so no new pics but, throwing my hat in the ring ...I quite like David's idea of using the Tri Avatar for chorus duties rather than pay the ridiculous prices...I actually had the thought of trying a Tricera for this job a while back myself(because of the increased headroom over the H9) but never really implemented it(only because the idea of a dedicated unit has appeal to me for some duties)...not that I'm lacking in modulations(at all!), but still. @mentoneman David insists the Tri Avatar has the headroom and it certainly sounds great, The Tricera would include it's pitch shift to get it's sound which is nice, but would sound lacking compared to the Eclipse micropitch....I may give the tri avatar a go(at line level)View attachment 373223View attachment 373226View attachment 373235
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beauty! i’ll expect a report back on my desk first thing tomorrow morning with your tri avatar findings should you dive in!🤣

my H9 TSC experiments were fun and close, but a bit lackluster in the proper top end sparkle to my ears and touch transparency

 
mentoneman said:
beauty! i’ll expect a report back on my desk first thing tomorrow morning with your tri avatar findings should you dive in!🤣

my H9 TSC experiments were fun and close, but a bit lackluster in the proper top end sparkle to my ears and touch transparency

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More is more lol :cool:
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mentoneman said:
one thing i haven’t tried yet is running the syn-2 in the loop of the Mark III and integrate the boogie’s preamp into my rack world.

anyone here tried that out?
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I tried it with my 5153 50W, and it seemed to work well. It was very transparent.

Funny enough, I normally just keep a JC120 based preamp pedal in the bypass loop of my Syn 2, that way I have a dedicated 5th channel as a clean channel.
 
mentoneman said:
perhaps you may have noticed each of these rack rigs mentioned have one thing in common.



looking forward to visiting the shop in January to take my trusty steed in for a spa visit and special overhaul!
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That video gave me diabetes.
 
SonVolt said:
I'm assuming it's analog bypass with a buffer. If it's sending your signal through AD/DA when bypassed we got real problems.

Interesting on your findings. The SDE-3000 is a much superior unit to the 2290P. It's twice as expensive though.
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OK, spent more time with this tonight. First I connected it to the app and updated the firmware. I also changed it to true bypass. This helped with keeping it in a parallel loop bypassed. They come with the DSP bypass on for tails.

In the loop of my Recto, turning down the direct and keeping delay at 99, I was able to get some better tones. I found a way to at least make it usable without comb filtering. I was able to get a better mix by messing with the mix on the back of the amp, that I usually never change. I did get it to work properly in the parallel loop, but still had issues getting enough volume out of it when compared to bypass. The bypass was always louder.

Next I put it in a parallel mixer pedal after the amp (after loadbox, before being reamped). This worked better because I could control the level of the parallel loop. I still messed with it for awhile, but was able to balance it better. I could probably get it better if I were going to keep it like that permanently and really dial it in. I kind of want to try to wire it into my big rack with the Samson SM-10, but I didn't feel like messing with it, lol.

I think as long as you keep it in a parallel mixer where you can control the volume of the loop, you would be OK with using the 2290p in parallel by using the direct at 0 and delay at 99, which is basically killdry mode. You also need to put it in true bypass mode in the app.

I want to try the same thing with my SDE-3000D here in a few weeks to verify that it is indeed analog dry though.

All of this was basically about the connections and verifying if the 2290p is analog dry through. I really didn't talk about the tone. I definitely think it sounds great. It is very musical, and the chorus, flanger, and delay tones all sound great. I do think running it in series is very transparent. I am very sensitive to digitizing messing with the tone and dynamics, and this is one of the most transparent I have experienced. I think it sounds great, but it is definitely not analog dry through.
 
Shask said:
OK, spent more time with this tonight. First I connected it to the app and updated the firmware. I also changed it to true bypass. This helped with keeping it in a parallel loop bypassed. They come with the DSP bypass on for tails.

In the loop of my Recto, turning down the direct and keeping delay at 99, I was able to get some better tones. I found a way to at least make it usable without comb filtering. I was able to get a better mix by messing with the mix on the back of the amp, that I usually never change. I did get it to work properly in the parallel loop, but still had issues getting enough volume out of it when compared to bypass. The bypass was always louder.

Next I put it in a parallel mixer pedal after the amp (after loadbox, before being reamped). This worked better because I could control the level of the parallel loop. I still messed with it for awhile, but was able to balance it better. I could probably get it better if I were going to keep it like that permanently and really dial it in. I kind of want to try to wire it into my big rack with the Samson SM-10, but I didn't feel like messing with it, lol.

I think as long as you keep it in a parallel mixer where you can control the volume of the loop, you would be OK with using the 2290p in parallel by using the direct at 0 and delay at 99, which is basically killdry mode. You also need to put it in true bypass mode in the app.

I want to try the same thing with my SDE-3000D here in a few weeks to verify that it is indeed analog dry though.

All of this was basically about the connections and verifying if the 2290p is analog dry through. I really didn't talk about the tone. I definitely think it sounds great. It is very musical, and the chorus, flanger, and delay tones all sound great. I do think running it in series is very transparent. I am very sensitive to digitizing messing with the tone and dynamics, and this is one of the most transparent I have experienced. I think it sounds great, but it is definitely not analog dry through.
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Yeah it does sound great. The lack of an output volume makes it a door stop for me though.

The SDE-3000D has a global kill dry you can enable so you don't have to worry about analog dry, though I'm 99.9999% it has analog dry through as Pete Thorn said. I have mine set to Kill Dry though running through a Parallelizer so I never bothered to check personally.

I sold my Dual Rec w/parallel loop and bought a Multi-Watt with a serial loop. Had I kept it I would have gotten the serial loop mod eventually.
 
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