First off, the C+ is a rare amp. Not many made. How many Famous modern metal players even own one? Studios? I’m sure if they wanted to, they could buy one. But, it’s a COMPLETELY different tone than the most common recorded metal amp, 5150/5153s. So, if metal band A wanted to sound like metal band B, who uses 5150s metal band A is going to use 5150s. Since that is Sneaps fav amp to use, even if metal band C wanted to record with a C+ the producer may nix it. So I think there are many factors at play when it comes to judging why a C+ is only used to record the biggest metal band EVER; 3-4 albums. And not the 5150. One of the reasons the 5150 is used is they were cheap and plentiful; and once they became entrenched in the metal scene, why change? It was the go to metal amp. Why change a good thing?
But, if you want to compare what you hear with a 5150 vs a C+ in the room, the C+ crushes it in the categories I value in an amp. Clarity? Haha not even close. Noise? Again, not even close. Tone? Subjective of course. Feel? C+ is far more touch sensitive. I’ve played many 5150s on back lines years ago and the only way to run them was LOUD. Fizzy and smeared at lower volumes; above 5 they were much better but that’s super loud. To each their own but I certainly don’t rate an amp based on who and how many times it’s been used on a record. If I did, my 2 vintage Marshalls shit all over any other amp ever. Haha
Sorry bro, but you are making ALOT of assumptions here… a lot.
1. I can tell you a 2C+ Was sitting in the studio of one of the best metal producers for the last 20 years…. Didn’t get turned on once, nor was it even thought about.
2. It has nothing to do with availability, trust me. If it was the best, I can promise you it would be in ATLEAST ONE of the biggest guys in the games studio.
3. A producer/engineer worth his salt is going to use the best equipment to get the best tones and sounds for the and they are producing. A producer “not liking the tone but the band does” is just a ridiculous scenario… who would go back to that guy? “ yea we really liked the tones and the mixes on OUR record, but since the producer didn’t, we changed it to what he liked”….. said no one ever.
4. 5150s first became popular in modern metal in Europe in the early 90s. They didn’t get popular (for the most part) in the US for modern metal until Atleast a decade later. They were definitely not “cheap and plentiful” in Europe in 1993-1994.
5. Why do you people care about this useless in the room tone so much? Never once in any of my rants did I mention anything about “ in the room”… I couldn’t care less, and neither do these bands SINCE THEY ARE RECORDING.
6: I have never, once in my life ever heard anyone say a 5150 sounds “best above 5” on the volume knob… ever. Eddie ran his at less than 3. The highest I know FOR A FACT that anyone at audiohammer or sneaps studio ever had the volume on a 5150 for recording was maybe MAYBE 3.5. They fall apart above that. Usually at 3 and lower.
7: what do you use base what amps you want to buy then? When you first started playing, did you just… decide you were gonna buy an amp, NOT based on anything else? And yes, im
Sorry but once again, there is a reason why that thing is not used and never has been for modern metal tones. and it has nothing at all to do with the many assumptions made in this thread, I can assure you of that.
And ya, your vintage Marshalls do shit over many many amps, do you not agree with that ? I know I do. But, does that mean they are amazing modern metal amps? Do people swear they are the best amps for modern metal tones? No, they don’t. But for what it is, it’s amazing. There is no disputing that, or no one having imaginary thoughts that that amp is capable of the best modern metal tones by itself.