So at TGP Ceriatone has joined the ranks of Dumble.

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SgtThump":f5f69 said:
Bob Savage":f5f69 said:
So because a company is infringing on copyrights, discussing them on a public forum is prohibited? Now THAT is some serious censorship!!!

How could TGP be sued for allowing the discussion of the amps? I would really like to hear the reasoning behind this, particularly since TGP has consulted an attorney.
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I saw that this morning and think it's RIDICULOUS! So much so that I emailed the Ceriatone guy and told him he's always welcome at Rig-Talk. :)
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Good job Sarge.
Nik has always been a stand up guy when i have talked to him.
I'd take a Ceriatone over a lot of the boutique amps the GP'ers have.
 
Yes, but where's the trademark infringement? It's not apples to apples, Scott.
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I was under the impression that the EVH paintjob was trademarked, I could be wrong but people that have ofered that style before will no longer do it for fear of legal actions. Once Fender stated with the EVH Art Series Charvels one would think that the paintjob was trademark protected.
 
Ok.....if you go to EVH's site you will see the guitar with the "tm" after Frankenstrat so imo I would think that the guitar in the link I posted would be a violation of another's trademark.

http://www.evhgear.com/
 
SgtThump":aa510 said:
Digital Jams":aa510 said:
I just saw that too, that does explain their actions.

Do not ruin my fun with them though, they opened the pandoras box :D
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Crap. You guys are going to make me actually read the posts before I have an opinion. I hate it when that happens!
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You only have to go about 2 pages, they did have Nil posting about them and expalining how to get them so yeah they have a right to be concerned a bit.
 
Well, they claim he was still selling amps with the logo, but not taking into account turnaround times and the fact that someone may have ordered one with the copyrighted logo some time ago and he's fulfilling old orders. From someone else's post, who said they tried to get a TW logo, Nik refused... If he did it in the past and quit, AND ISN'T DOING IT ANYMORE, what's the big deal?

My Liverpool clone has a dragon logo where some had 'trainwreck' logos. That were silk screened on the PLEXI front panel, which you know, is just like a real Trainwreck.

Even if he had a 'wreck logo on some of his amps (which yes, is wrong) - what type of a dumbass is going to be fooled by that and think it's real? I could put a marshall logo (which I can buy damn near anywhere for 'restoration purposes') on my 18 watt clone, but there still would be several things 'wrong' with my amp. A Trainwreck is a high enough end amp that it should be really hard to fool someone. I could write 'rolex' in grease pencil across my digital timex, but it still won't trick anyone into buying it.

How many guitars are sold in TGP's classifieds with wrong logos - GMW's with Charvel logos, warmoth and others partscasters with Fender decals, etc? Probably a lot. Ditto for kits and parts amps with marshall and fender badges and logos.

I think the main thing is that Ceriatone is offering a bit too much bang for the buck, and some of the more boutiquey companies represented there are shitting bricks.

Pete
 
Digital Jams":b8730 said:
I was under the impression that the EVH paintjob was trademarked, I could be wrong but people that have ofered that style before will no longer do it for fear of legal actions. Once Fender stated with the EVH Art Series Charvels one would think that the paintjob was trademark protected.
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Even if they were somehow able to copyright that paint job (it would not be a trademark), it would take only minor variations to pass the sniff test. Again, completely different.
 
stratotone":db4e7 said:
How many guitars are sold in TGP's classifieds with wrong logos - GMW's with Charvel logos, warmoth and others partscasters with Fender decals, etc? Probably a lot. Ditto for kits and parts amps with marshall and fender badges and logos.

I think the main thing is that Ceriatone is offering a bit too much bang for the buck, and some of the more boutiquey companies represented there are shitting bricks.

Pete
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This is what my angle is as well, like how the big Vic storm was closed down after some calls even though everyone had the right to hear what Vic was doing. If you do not think the calls were from some of the $$$$$$$$$$ snakeoil makers you are nuts.
 
stratotone":bc3ce said:
Well, they claim he was still selling amps with the logo, but not taking into account turnaround times and the fact that someone may have ordered one with the copyrighted logo some time ago and he's fulfilling old orders. From someone else's post, who said they tried to get a TW logo, Nik refused... If he did it in the past and quit, AND ISN'T DOING IT ANYMORE, what's the big deal?

My Liverpool clone has a dragon logo where some had 'trainwreck' logos. That were silk screened on the PLEXI front panel, which you know, is just like a real Trainwreck.

Even if he had a 'wreck logo on some of his amps (which yes, is wrong) - what type of a dumbass is going to be fooled by that and think it's real? I could put a marshall logo (which I can buy damn near anywhere for 'restoration purposes') on my 18 watt clone, but there still would be several things 'wrong' with my amp. A Trainwreck is a high enough end amp that it should be really hard to fool someone. I could write 'rolex' in grease pencil across my digital timex, but it still won't trick anyone into buying it.

How many guitars are sold in TGP's classifieds with wrong logos - GMW's with Charvel logos, warmoth and others partscasters with Fender decals, etc? Probably a lot. Ditto for kits and parts amps with marshall and fender badges and logos.

I think the main thing is that Ceriatone is offering a bit too much bang for the buck, and some of the more boutiquey companies represented there are shitting bricks.

Pete
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That is a huge assumption on your part. I have no problem with him building whatever clone he feels like. If it weren't for the logo thing I prolly woulda bought one of his Matchless clones. But the big deal is that he was trying to make money not only of some body's design, which I can live with. But then sells it as a fake...and whether he stopped doing it or not you should be able to see the big deal. If some one rips you off, and says we won't anymnore is that good enough for you-to use an analogy.
 
Digital Jams":b3991 said:
Ok.....if you go to EVH's site you will see the guitar with the "tm" after Frankenstrat so imo I would think that the guitar in the link I posted would be a violation of another's trademark.

http://www.evhgear.com/
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The trademark is the brand name, not the paint job.
 
Bob Savage":e1671 said:
Digital Jams":e1671 said:
Ok.....if you go to EVH's site you will see the guitar with the "tm" after Frankenstrat so imo I would think that the guitar in the link I posted would be a violation of another's trademark.

http://www.evhgear.com/
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The trademark is the brand name, not the paint job.
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It says Frankenstrat TM :confused:


Found it.......go to the EVHgear homepage and at the bottom it states that the striped guitar was trademarked in 2001.
 
Digital Jams":bb85f said:
It says Frankenstrat TM :confused:


Found it.......go to the EVHgear homepage and at the bottom it states that the striped guitar was trademarked in 2001.
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Right, "Frankenstrat" is a trademark.
 
So i have a burning question. Where can I find a clone of just the searing lead channel of a MKIV?
 
SgtThump":1b335 said:
Bob Savage":1b335 said:
The trademark is the brand name, not the paint job.
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I've heard of several cases of EVH sending his lawyers after anyone putting his striped paintjob on anything, whether it's pedals, guitars, amps, etc... I'm not saying he's legally right, because I have no clue. But it is true that he does that.

Chris
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As you well know, if you have the money you can file suit for almost anything. Eddie's coin would certainly be a means to brute force others to cease based only upon a letter from his attorneys.
 
SgtThump":74152 said:
Bob Savage":74152 said:
Right, "Frankenstrat" is a trademark.
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The page says:

The unique stripe design is a copyright (2001) of E.L.V.H. Inc.
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That's what I said! It's a copyright, not a trademark.
 
tweed":3e1c8 said:
So i have a burning question. Where can I find a clone of just the searing lead channel of a MKIV?
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I can build it for you. Send me a MKIV and I'll modify it.
 
E.L.V.H. Inc is the body that will go after you and even 5150 II is a trademark of ELVH Inc.
 
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