Some Uber Ultra action

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You said what I think I was trying to, just wayyyy better! Lol!

I agree though: I have played some magic old amps....but I have also played some magic new ones. Specifically related to this new Uber, I have owned a Rev Green and a Rev Blue. My bet is the new Ultra will have all the mojo, juju or whatever the other ones had and then some. And if not? Then whatever.....just an amp. Flip it and move on.
Right on. I’m with ya man.

Let me be clear. There’s nothing wrong with nerding out on the old gear, I’m very guilty of it myself but at the same time, I don’t expect reissues, revisions or updated models to sound like or copy the 100 PURE EXACT sound of the older versions. Just not possible nor do I really want it to be real. I want improvements. If I want the old stuff, I pony up for it.
 
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This is the Uber Ultra, the new one, it gonna sound like it wants to sound, damn. Who cares about the old ones, this is the new era of the Uber. Like it or don't . I do!!!!!

Wnat an organic amp? Try a Peters.

Thank me later.

A/B it with my 2204...... The Peters.... Well... Nails it, and then some.

Anyways, this Ultra sounds damn good by this clip.

Nobody can juge before playing it in the room....:D
 
Right on. I’m with ya man.

Let me be clear. There’s nothing wrong with needing out on the old gear, I’m very guilty of it myself but at the same time, I don’t expect reissues, revisions or updated models to sound like or copy the 100 PURE EXACT sound of the older versions. Just not possible nor do I really want it to be real. I want improvements. If I want the old stuff, I pony up for it.
I totally agree, I’m waiting for my amp and was just curious that’s all.
 
Other than Sweetwater, is anyone else stocking this amp?
 
Feel like selling off my Bogner Twin jet i got from a buddy here like a year or so ago only.... 117VAC shipping to USA anybody?
 
FYI to all interested, I placed an order on 5/8 with Sweetwater (EL34 version) and they're estimating August. May be worth checking with other dealers.
 
Great clip, some nice tones, i think i would love this amp, i still have my uber rev blue, i hated my twin jet, and ive played the uber rev green a few times but liked rev blue better.
 
Spoke to someone I would assume to be Jorg (based on the accent) yesterday. He told me that they are really backed up with demand for the amp and that they don’t anticipate any more going out until July or August. He said Sweetwater has the most orders for the amp, but others have them too.

Regarding tube type, he said that it’s perfectly fine to put in all EL34s, all KT88s, or a mixture of the two into the EL34 version of the amp, but the KT88 version has really high plate voltage that precludes the use of any other tube type.
 
Spoke to someone I would assume to be Jorg (based on the accent) yesterday. He told me that they are really backed up with demand for the amp and that they don’t anticipate any more going out until July or August. He said Sweetwater has the most orders for the amp, but others have them too.

Regarding tube type, he said that it’s perfectly fine to put in all EL34s, all KT88s, or a mixture of the two into the EL34 version of the amp, but the KT88 version has really high plate voltage that precludes the use of any other tube type.
Bummer. My order (100w EL34) is through Sweetwater and was hoping to get one in May. All good, though. It'll be worth the wait.
 
I've been thinking about the EL34 vs 6L6 poweramp config.

So, the main difference between EL34 vs 6L6 tubes, the reason 6L6's are described as "more scooped" and EL34's are described as having "richer mids" is mostly because EL34's have a higher damping factor, which means they aren't influenced quite as much by the cab's impedance curve, which is naturally mid scooped. 6L6 tubes have a lower damping factor, so they are more influenced by the cab's scooped impedance curve. That's basically why 6L6's sound "more scooped" than EL34's.

BUT, you can account for these differences with negative feedback. The more negative feedback you apply in the amp, the less the power section is influenced by the impedance curve. So at the cost of some volume, you could make a 6L6 sound more or less just like an EL34 by applying a bit more negative feedback to the 6L6 amp, right? Now consider that the Uber Ultra's "Density" knob is a negative feedback control. So does that mean this knob can be used to negate the differences between the 6L6 and EL34 power sections? Furthermore, does that mean the 6L6 version's Density control will have a greater range than the EL34 or KT88 versions because of its lower natural damping factor?
 
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Bummer. My order (100w EL34) is through Sweetwater and was hoping to get one in May. All good, though. It'll be worth the wait.
I know man. I am in Canada and ordered one soon after pre-order was available. Projected delivery was mid May, but looks more like July now. :/
 
Spoke to someone I would assume to be Jorg (based on the accent) yesterday. He told me that they are really backed up with demand for the amp and that they don’t anticipate any more going out until July or August. He said Sweetwater has the most orders for the amp, but others have them too.

Regarding tube type, he said that it’s perfectly fine to put in all EL34s, all KT88s, or a mixture of the two into the EL34 version of the amp, but the KT88 version has really high plate voltage that precludes the use of any other tube type.
Thanks for looking into that. I’m glad you got a hold of someone over there. I tried a few times and no dice. My dealer told me end of May is what he was told but your info sounds more accurate knowing their history.
 
So does that mean this knob can be used to negate the differences between the 6L6 and EL34 power sections? Furthermore, does that mean the 6L6 version's Density control will have a greater range than the EL34 or KT88 versions because of its lower natural damping factor?
I don't know the answer to your specific questions, but I do know that Dave Friedman has mentioned multiple times on Tonetalk that on more than one occasion he's been able to make two amps (of the same model) with different power tubes sound identical with different knob settings. I think a lot of guitarists make an amp's power tube type out to be a significant part of an amp's sound, when in reality the difference in tube types (and how they affect the impedance curve) are subtle and can be accounted for with EQ.
 
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I don't know the answer to your specific questions, but I do know that Dave Friedman has mentioned multiple times on Tonetalk that on more than one occasion he's been able to make two amps (of the same model) with different power tubes sound identical with different knob settings. I think a lot of guitarists make an amp's power tube type out to be a significant part of an amp's sound, when in reality the difference in tube types (and how they affect the impedance curve) are subtle can be accounted for with EQ.

Yeah definitely. I have an EVH 100w Stealth (which uses 6L6's) and an EVH 100w EL34 and they're actually not quite but almost identical. WAY closer than you'd think from reading descriptions of them on the internet. However, the 6L6 is very slightly quieter than the EL34. There's a small chance that this could be volume knob tolerance but I've seen that more than once, so I kind of doubt it. I wonder if the people at EVH added slightly more negative feedback to the 100w Stealth, which would theoretically bring its 6L6 power section closer to the EL34's slightly more damped power section.

Bringing this back to the thread topic, I suppose Bogner could change the parameters of the Density knob to kind of account for the differences between the 6L6 vs EL34 power sections, but I wonder if they did. Honestly though, if your standard settings for the Uber Ultra will be to set the Density knob somewhere in the middle, chances are you could make the EL34 and 6L6 versions *actually* sound identical.

I suppose the other question to ask there, because I honestly don't know, would be "how does the KT88 compare, what is its natural damping factor relative to EL34's and 6L6's, and how would the KT88 interact with the Uber Ultra's power section controls?"

Just thinking out loud here but my original plan was to get the EL34 version and put KT88's in it, but now I'm not completely sure. To me, an "ultimate, modern super high gain amp," like the Uber Ultra is trying to be, should be very wide sounding, with as much usable bandwidth as possible, so tons of clear sub lows, clear mids, and crispy, presency high highs should all be well represented. It seems to me like the best choice for this kind of sound is either going to be 6L6 or KT88. I have to wonder if the KT88 will have bigger, more pronounced sub lows and more prominent higher highs than the 6L6, or if the opposite is true, at least at non-poweramp-saturating volumes. Also, I wonder if the EL34 version loaded with KT88's is going to sound appreciably different than the pure KT88 150w version if, again, the volume is set so neither power section is clipping.
 
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I've been thinking about the EL34 vs 6L6 poweramp config.

So, the main difference between EL34 vs 6L6 tubes, the reason 6L6's are described as "more scooped" and EL34's are described as having "richer mids" is mostly because EL34's have a higher damping factor, which means they aren't influenced quite as much by the cab's impedance curve, which is naturally mid scooped. 6L6 tubes have a lower damping factor, so they are more influenced by the cab's scooped impedance curve. That's basically why 6L6's sound "more scooped" than EL34's.

BUT, you can account for these differences with negative feedback. The more negative feedback you apply in the amp, the less the power section is influenced by the impedance curve. So at the cost of some volume, you could make a 6L6 sound more or less just like an EL34 by applying a bit more negative feedback to the 6L6 amp, right? Now consider that the Uber Ultra's "Density" knob is a negative feedback control. So does that mean this knob can be used to negate the differences between the 6L6 and EL34 power sections? Furthermore, does that mean the 6L6 version's Density control will have a greater range than the EL34 or KT88 versions because of its lower natural damping factor?
That's a great question.

PS: Not sure I'm a fan of this amp :(
 
That's a great question.

PS: Not sure I'm a fan of this amp :(

The more I hear it, the more I like it. However I would love to hear a direct comparison between it and the original Uber, as I'm not sure they sound all that similar to me so far.
 
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