The Motocross Nationals start this weekend!!

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Not a fan of the triple crown format. Go back to heat racing.
 
Yeah, it has some disadvantages. The racing is pretty good though.
I'm just enjoying having some racing to watch while we get ready for the real stuff (Outdoor Nationals) :inlove:
A bunch of the guys are already testing for the Nationals, mostly at Glen Helen and the Goat farm. I heard through the grapevine we had a group of 3-digit fast guys out at Monster Mountain the past few weeks doing 35-40 min motos.. So they are prepping for it, probably getting suspension and map settings settings dialed in
 
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I heard Sexton say they made some changes to his front end. May be they’re members here and are listening to us JT? :cheers:
 
CRAIG4FSU said:
Christian Craig had a bad night Saturday.

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Yeah, that sux. He was just starting to see some daylight in his bike setup. I heard him say somewhere the Husky's turned out to be harder to dial in than he expected. Barcia's been on the Gas Gas bikes for 2 years now and they just found what appears to be his best settings for SX about 3 races ago. It was a noticeable improvement watching him on the track, especially in the whoops
 
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CRAIG4FSU said:
I heard Sexton say they made some changes to his front end. May be they’re members here and are listening to us JT? :cheers:
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:LOL:
Maybe?
I thought that hard on bottom but slick on top was gonna be trouble for him for sure. I think they had it setup to be ideal in the whoops. I know when we dialed Ronnie;s bikes in for SX we had to go with what worked in the whoops and it did tend to be a tad stiff to settle in turns the way he liked it, but it was the lesser of 2 evils. He was running A kit Showa components which are considered works suspension, but not the Showa stuff the fastest guys use, so everything was a trade off. It was all we could afford back then, but it was MUCH better than stock suspension that had been revalved. I had a side business servicing and revalving suspension back when I raced, it paid for my racing habit. At 1 time I was doing around 80 riders in 4 states, 11 of the guys did SX and the Outdoor Nationals, but they were never any of the top guys. They would be top guys at local races, but not in the Pro AMA bracket.
I learned a lot though, Back then Race Tech had a program that taught about valving and fluid-dynamics that I went through and got most of my baseline information from.
It was great stuff that worked pretty well, but we were always testing and trying to find better setups, especially for SX whoops
 
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JTyson said:
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Maybe?
I thought that hard on bottom but slick on top was gonna be trouble for him for sure. I think they had it setup to be ideal in the whoops. I know when we dialed Ronnie;s bikes in for SX we had to go with what worked in the whoops and it did tend to be a tad stiff to settle in turns the way he liked it, but it was the lesser of 2 evils. He was running A kit Showa components which are considered works suspension, but not the Showa stuff the fastest guys use, so everything was a trade off. It was all we could afford back then, but it was MUCH better than stock suspension that had been revalved. I had a side business servicing and revalving suspension back when I raced, it paid for my racing habit. At 1 time I was doing around 80 riders in 4 states, 11 of the guys did SX and the Outdoor Nationals, but they were never any of the top guys. They would be top guys at local races, but not in the Pro AMA bracket.
I learned a lot though, Back then Race Tech had a program that taught about valving and fluid-dynamics that I went through and got most of my baseline information from.
It was great stuff that worked pretty well, but we were always testing and trying to find better setups, especially for SX whoops
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That’s neat that you were doing that for a profit. It’s a lot of work.

My buddy sent off his front and rear from his Works 450 to Factory Connection a while back. About a $1K later after we set the sag he just stands up and blows right through the stuff I’m still white knuckling on my stock suspension. I’m just no where near spending that kind of $ for that yet. I did put a heavier rear spring on because I’m 225.

We’ll see. More seat time will dictate what I should do. I haven’t even messed with the clickers yet other than making sure they’re even.
 
CRAIG4FSU said:
That’s neat that you were doing that for a profit. It’s a lot of work.

My buddy sent off his front and rear from his Works 450 to Factory Connection a while back. About a $1K later after we set the sag he just stands up and blows right through the stuff I’m still white knuckling on my stock suspension. I’m just no where near spending that kind of $ for that yet. I did put a heavier rear spring on because I’m 225.

We’ll see. More seat time will dictate what I should do. I haven’t even messed with the clickers yet other than making sure they’re even.
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Yeah, it was a lot of work, especially when the new bikes would be released and we would have to pretty much start over if they had been changed much. The cool part was Id get an all-access mechanics pass at the SX and Nationals we went to just in case we had to make changes during the practice sessions. Most of the time was spent fine tuning clickers and making sure the bike was balanced by then.
The technology has already passed me up, I got out before the last air fork trend started, everything changed. Lots of the fast guys were not happy and went back to spring forks, and now it appears they are transitioning back to them. All the tools needed changed too. Its cool though, the stock stuff now is amazing compared to what was on them several years ago.
FC does great work, those guys are a good bunch. Ziggy is a walking hard drive of knowledge when it comes to suspension. He was very helpful to me one year when I could not get the rebound on a rear shock where we wanted it, he told me that Showa had put a one way bleed in the shock shaft that I didn't even know was there that year. We took it out and it was night and day different. It was so simple but made everything we were trying much harder to nail down. It turned out that it affected flow through the valving in both directions even though it was a "one way" bleed off for the rebound..
Needless to say I was embarrassed that I didn't even know it was there, I assumed it was the same as the year before.. :doh:
 
CRAIG4FSU said:
We’ll see. More seat time will dictate what I should do. I haven’t even messed with the clickers yet other than making sure they’re even.
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Agreed.
We spent a lot of time getting things balanced out, between the sag and the fork tube height in the clamps we were usually able to find a good combo that just required some fine tuning for a particular track. Ronnie started running Scotts steering stabilizers one year in the Nationals and it made a huge difference in deep chop, but he didn't like it in the turns. He adapted to it pretty quick and it ended up being a keeper outdoors in the rough. The more calm and balanced the bike was, the more comfortable he was and could go harder for longer.
The components have changed but the setup fundamentals are still similar from what I hear. The stuff they have now is pretty amazing. I have another buddy who is a KTM guy and he just put the latest version of the Cone valve works forks and shock on it 3 weeks ago, he said the difference from the stock components is stunning. Its a shit ton of money but he said its worth every penny he spent. Ive never seen the insides of them but everyone I know who has them says they could never go back to the stock components.
I guess its like everything else, your wallet ends up deciding more than your mind does. :LOL:
 
I listen to a lot of Keefer stuff on suspension too. That guy is a library of knowledge.
 
ccn said:
I think Sexton & Anderson go down in this one.
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It could happen!
Layout for Atlanta looks very promising
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I love the layout , I just have a feeling Anderson and Sexton will go down at some point there is just so many obstacles which I have a hard time believing either will be able to stay upright over a 20 lap main . I don't think either will have a serious wreck just one of those front end washouts which seem to happen to those two more so than anybody else .
 
Thats true, but the speedway tracks are usually softer dirt so the turns will rut up quickly and both of those guys are good in ruts so that will help them. There are 2 whoop sections, 1 looks longer than normal, which will help sexton, who is pretty badass in the whoops.
In the end I'm thinking Eli, Sexton and Anderson or Barcia with Plessinger in tow, but Plessinger could sneak up there and surprise all of us with a good start and be on the box. Very much looking forward to seeing Shimoda back in the fight, if nothing else, just to get some momentum through the last few rounds for the upcoming Nationals. Its too bad Mookie is not out there, he would do well on this layout. Barcia could surprise us as well, he's on a roll at the moment, but the setup he has done so well on will be very different for this type of dirt and layout.
Track is gonna get super gnarly, Eli is usually my go-to guy when it will be a war of attrition.
I'm stoked!! :cheers:
 
It will be fun to watch Jett ride this track, that kid has got mad skills
 
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