THE OCT CUTTIN CORRAL - Come Hang Out For A Whilst and talk about Retards and dumb shit…

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Turkey tenderloin bros here's a pro tip and I know MM this should be in the food section but...almost nobody eats these turkey tenderloins around here and I scoop them up managers special still way in date. They taste better than the deli meat, and I am fully aware they are high in sodium but way less than deli meat but I can smoke them on my pit. Cheap smoked turkey meat.
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Aynirar27 said:
There is no spin needed, BUT here is the difference.

Hating your ex wife for ruining your life

Hating all women because your ex is a woman.

I feel comfortable speaking for others by saying this, but when we talk about “spreading hate” it’s referring to hate towards an entire group of people because of something only a small percentage of them have done.

See the difference?
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I do see a difference, but its rare for you and your ilk to make connections like this. For example, the left has embraced drag queen story hour or gay parades (you know, reading and / or targeting to an audience of children). If you speak out about about how you feel its wrong, you are labeled as spreading hate, or a homophobe, etc. The left knows its due to the audience of children, but they pretend it towards the entire group to try and create a negative label against those who feel its wrong. It's not about hating drag queens or someone who is gay, its about the targeting an audience of children or sexualizing children.

The left does this with pro life activists. The left has ZERO tolerance toward peaceful protests or anyone who believes an unborn child has a right to life. They spread their hate towards an entire group even though only a small percentage actually go out and physically protest.

Should I talk about the lefts hate of the entire movement of MAGA?

I can go on and on about examples of the lefts hypocrisy.
 
Without falling into the trap of prejudicing the entire group, it does seem a large percentage of folks with so-called "Progressive" views are rather limited in the self-awareness department. Their critical thinking abilities have been hijacked by manipulators who understand these types are easily hacked by convincing them they are being "Virtuous" in their beliefs and actions. So they basically prey on their vanity. Cynically, I suspect that at the higher levels they know it's disingenuous bullshit, and nonetheless push these narratives for political expediency and other ulterior motives.
 
denialist said:
Without falling into the trap of prejudicing the entire group, it does seem a large percentage of folks with so-called "Progressive" views are rather limited in the self-awareness department. Their critical thinking abilities have been hijacked by manipulators who understand these types are easily hacked by convincing them they are being "Virtuous" in their beliefs and actions. So they basically prey on their vanity. Cynically, I suspect that at the higher levels they know it's disingenuous bullshit, and nonetheless push these narratives for political expediency and other ulterior motives.
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Self Awareness is the bottom line… I don’t know why its such a big problem but dam at how many clueless people they’re are that think they are in on it.

~ss
 
ShitSquatch said:
Self Awareness is the bottom line… I don’t know why its such a big problem but dam at how many clueless people they’re are that think they are in on it.

~ss
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The nazis researched mind control and psychological manipulation and became experts in it. After WWII the experts there in a great many fields were imported under operation paperclip, given new identities, and inegrated into the American way. Everyone has been manipulated. Most people took the shot when told, there is your hard data on how effective the manipulation is. 70%? Most people don't have a mind of their own and if they have a mind of their own they don't have a spine of their own so they fold like cheap suits when society directs their steps closely.
 
VonBonfire said:
The nazis researched mind control and psychological manipulation and became experts in it. After WWII the experts there in a great many fields were imported under operation paperclip, given new identities, and inegrated into the American way. Everyone has been manipulated. Most people took the shot when told, there is your hard data on how effective the manipulation is. 70%? Most people don't have a mind of their own and if they have a mind of their own they don't have a spine of their own so they fold like cheap suits when society directs their steps closely.
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This is were the corrupt part/people of the education and government systems make they’re livings… preying on the weak with “fact checkers” “research” “scientism” and such. It’s sad that moar people cant rationally and critically think for themselves.

Not everyone in the education and political systems are evil but it is infested with some of the worst.

~ss
 
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psychodave said:
I do see a difference, but its rare for you and your ilk to make connections like this. For example, the left has embraced drag queen story hour or gay parades (you know, reading and / or targeting to an audience of children). If you speak out about about how you feel its wrong, you are labeled as spreading hate, or a homophobe, etc. The left knows its due to the audience of children, but they pretend it towards the entire group to try and create a negative label against those who feel its wrong. It's not about hating drag queens or someone who is gay, its about the targeting an audience of children or sexualizing children.

The left does this with pro life activists. The left has ZERO tolerance toward peaceful protests or anyone who believes an unborn child has a right to life. They spread their hate towards an entire group even though only a small percentage actually go out and physically protest.

Should I talk about the lefts hate of the entire movement of MAGA?

I can go on and on about examples of the lefts hypocrisy.
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In the case of drag queen story hour, the problem is that those against it (generally) immediately see men dressed as women to be a problem. Would a women dressed as a man make you feel the same way?

I see reading to children as a good thing. I think a group of people putting together an initiative to read to children as a good thing because I believe they are doing so, because they also believe reading to children to be a good thing.

The fact that they are doing it dressed as women does not bother me, nor do I think it changes their intent.

Your use of “target children” shows to me clearly that you do not believe they are putting these shows on with the children’s best intentions in mind. I believe they are, just they same as anyone else who takes the time to do so.

I don’t “embrace” drag queen story time, I embrace people reading to children and I consider men in drag to be people.

I will take it one step further and say that most, not all, but most people who are against such a thing, are using “the children” as an excuse. They are against the story hour because they are against the drag lifestyle. Which is perfectly fine, not everyone is going to be for that, it’s why it’s considered an alternative lifestyle. But villainizing it is where it in my opinion crosses the line.

I don’t want to go to drag story hour

Drag story hour should not be allowed for anyone


See the difference?

I’ve said it many times before, but if people would just admit and come to terms with their own prejudices, the world would be a more peaceful place.
Everyone has them in one way or another, but if you can’t accept yours, they manifest in hateful shit like this
 
Aynirar27 said:
In the case of drag queen story hour, the problem is that those against it (generally) immediately see men dressed as women to be a problem. Would a women dressed as a man make you feel the same way?

I see reading to children as a good thing. I think a group of people putting together an initiative to read to children as a good thing because I believe they are doing so, because they also believe reading to children to be a good thing.

The fact that they are doing it dressed as women does not bother me, nor do I think it changes their intent.

Your use of “target children” shows to me clearly that you do not believe they are putting these shows on with the children’s best intentions in mind. I believe they are, just they same as anyone else who takes the time to do so.

I don’t “embrace” drag queen story time, I embrace people reading to children and I consider men in drag to be people.

I will take it one step further and say that most, not all, but most people who are against such a thing, are using “the children” as an excuse. They are against the story hour because they are against the drag lifestyle. Which is perfectly fine, not everyone is going to be for that, it’s why it’s considered an alternative lifestyle. But villainizing it is where it in my opinion crosses the line.

I don’t want to go to drag story hour

Drag story hour should not be allowed for anyone


See the difference?

I’ve said it many times before, but if people would just admit and come to terms with their own prejudices, the world would be a more peaceful place.
Everyone has them in one way or another, but if you can’t accept yours, they manifest in hateful shit like this
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You are willfully naive here.
 
@Aynirar27 Why do you think this? Drag shows have been around for ever and I haven't heard anyone complaining until they started trying to involve kids. I can't understand how you don't see this as intentional, as with asking kids if what gender they are, are they sure?, etc. To me it's obvious the intention is to push an ideology.
 
Aynirar27 said:
I don’t believe I am. I don’t believe there is anything “inherently” wrong with drag, so I do not believe children being exposed to it is inherently wrong or dangerous either
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He's saying you're being naive for not thinking it's intentional, not arguing the merits.
 
denialist said:
@Aynirar27 Why do you think this? Drag shows have been around for ever and I haven't heard anyone complaining until they started trying to involve kids. I can't understand how you don't see this as intentional, as with asking kids if what gender they are, are they sure?, etc. To me it's obvious the intention is to push an ideology.
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It has always been obscenity. But obscenity is welcomed and cheered on by some people now that they've completely abandoned faith and morals thanks to people who have been allowed to peddle smut into society since the 50's.
 
Aynirar27 said:
In the case of drag queen story hour, the problem is that those against it (generally) immediately see men dressed as women to be a problem. Would a women dressed as a man make you feel the same way?

I see reading to children as a good thing. I think a group of people putting together an initiative to read to children as a good thing because I believe they are doing so, because they also believe reading to children to be a good thing.

The fact that they are doing it dressed as women does not bother me, nor do I think it changes their intent.

Your use of “target children” shows to me clearly that you do not believe they are putting these shows on with the children’s best intentions in mind. I believe they are, just they same as anyone else who takes the time to do so.

I don’t “embrace” drag queen story time, I embrace people reading to children and I consider men in drag to be people.

I will take it one step further and say that most, not all, but most people who are against such a thing, are using “the children” as an excuse. They are against the story hour because they are against the drag lifestyle. Which is perfectly fine, not everyone is going to be for that, it’s why it’s considered an alternative lifestyle. But villainizing it is where it in my opinion crosses the line.

I don’t want to go to drag story hour

Drag story hour should not be allowed for anyone


See the difference?

I’ve said it many times before, but if people would just admit and come to terms with their own prejudices, the world would be a more peaceful place.
Everyone has them in one way or another, but if you can’t accept yours, they manifest in hateful shit like this
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I'm pretty middle of the road on most things but you and I will definitely have to agree to disagree. :dunno:

Also, I realize you were not addressing me personally and that I am the one jumping into the conversation.

The fact that these words - "Drag Story Hour" - are even in a sentence together is a problem for me. It is confusing for children. Period. Let them grow up as kids without adults injecting confusion. It can be confusing enough growing up. Then, if they want to go to Drag shows when they are 18 or whatever - fine. PS: I don't hate people in drag or gay people. I have friends and some family that are gay/trans/etc. But I don't have to agree with it, and so therefore, that is my opinion and I'm allowed to my opinion.

I get that some people want their kids to be taught inclusivity and to 'not be afraid of drag or gay people'. However, if that is true then we should have Native American Indian Story Hour and Jewish Story Hour and Elderly Story Hour and Mentally Handicapped Story Hour and Disabled Veteran Story Hour. Hell, Disabled Veteran Story Hour would be at the top of my list. So if they did a different Story Hour once a month and invited peoples representative of 12 (figure 9 as school is not year round in most places) different groups and Drag Queens were one of them, I'd feel more sympathetic. Luckily, my 3 boys are all adults and out of the 'education system' but if my local public school held a drag queen story hour in front of my boys without me knowing about it - I'd be pretty furious. I know that will rub you wrong (if you've read this far :lol: ). I would have taken them out of school that day. PS: My wife and I read plenty to our kids growing up, I'd say higher than average. 2 or 3 books each every night even before they were born. I'm a huge proponent of reading to your kids. :yes:
 
VonBonfire said:
It has always been obscenity. But obscenity is welcomed and cheered on by some people now that they've completely abandoned faith and morals thanks to people who have been allowed to peddle smut into society since the 50's.
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I don’t see it as ALWAYS obscene though. Like any art form, some acts are obscene, for adults etc, and some are not. There are filthy comedians out there, and there are child friendly comedians out there.
Drag is an activity. Drag a performance. It’s not the essence of a person.

It’s also fairly new to pop culture
 
311splawndude said:
I'm pretty middle of the road on most things but you and I will definitely have to agree to disagree. :dunno:

Also, I realize you were not addressing me personally and that I am the one jumping into the conversation.

The fact that these words - "Drag Story Hour" - are even in a sentence together is a problem for me. It is confusing for children. Period. Let them grow up as kids without adults injecting confusion. It can be confusing enough growing up. Then, if they want to go to Drag shows when they are 18 or whatever - fine. PS: I don't hate people in drag or gay people. I have friends and some family that are gay/trans/etc. But I don't have to agree with it, and so therefore, that is my opinion and I'm allowed to my opinion.

I get that some people want their kids to be taught inclusivity and to 'not be afraid of drag or gay people'. However, if that is true then we should have Native American Indian Story Hour and Jewish Story Hour and Elderly Story Hour and Mentally Handicapped Story Hour and Disabled Veteran Story Hour. Hell, Disabled Veteran Story Hour would be at the top of my list. So if they did a different Story Hour once a month and invited peoples representative of 12 (figure 9 as school is not year round in most places) different groups and Drag Queens were one of them, I'd feel more sympathetic. Luckily, my 3 boys are all adults and out of the 'education system' but if my local public school held a drag queen story hour in front of my boys without me knowing about it - I'd be pretty furious. I know that will rub you wrong (if you've read this far :LOL: ). I would have taken them out of school that day. PS: My wife and I read plenty to our kids growing up, I'd say higher than average. 2 or 3 books each every night even before they were born. I'm a huge proponent of reading to your kids. :yes:
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I just don’t see the confusion. Drag isn’t about confusion. It’s not men that think they are women. It’s just men that dress like women and perform. At its core, it’s a performance and that’s all.

We have never been to a performance, but my children have certainly been exposed to drag on TV. Explaining it to them was very simple.
compare that to, from your example, a Jewish reading hour and a Catholic reading hour. If your young kid came home from that and asked why there are different religions and does that mean some are right and some are wrong, don't you think that would be a much tougher discussion than why a few dudes were dressed like girls? Adults on this very board can't handle talking about religion in such a matter.
 
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