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denialist said:
@Aynirar27 Why do you think this? Drag shows have been around for ever and I haven't heard anyone complaining until they started trying to involve kids. I can't understand how you don't see this as intentional, as with asking kids if what gender they are, are they sure?, etc. To me it's obvious the intention is to push an ideology.
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drag isn't an ideology though. It is just a hobby. There is no gender confusion or liquidity, it is MEN that dress as WOMEN. Not because they think they are women, it's because they like to dress up as women.
 
The real problem is why? Where is the line for kids? Is it okay for Bs&M playtime or strippers on a pole story time or men who love goats magical moments?

Not one person has answered why that group is so adamant about reading to kids… the answer IMO is the continued normalization of “deviant” or whatever behavior… get em whilst they are impressionable and young

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Not one person has answered why that group is so adamant about reading to kids… the answer IMO is the continued normalization of “deviant” or whatever behavior… get em whilst they are impressionable and young
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You're making a whole lotta sense.

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ShitSquatch said:
The real problem is why? Where is the line for kids? Is it okay for Bs&M playtime or strippers on a pole story time or men who love goats magical moments?

Not one person has answered why that group is so adamant about reading to kids… the answer IMO is the continued normalization of “deviant” or whatever behavior… get em whilst they are impressionable and young

~ss
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There are a lot of programs that read to kids. I just have to think what is different about this one than every other one? Why does it change from “reading to kids” to “access to kids”?
I don’t think the issue here is people being weirded out by drag or to an extent homosexuality. A lot of people are and that’s not necessarily wrong.
The issue to me is that they also see them as nefarious.
 
Aynirar27 said:
drag isn't an ideology
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Okay, you're being obtuse. And you're avoiding the point about it being intentional, which everyone can see, regardless of whether one thinks it's right or wrong. It's a new phenomenon and it's widespread and it's controversial. And without a doubt drag "story hour" is part of the trans movement, whether the performers think they are the other gender or not. And the trans movement is clearly ideological. And the reason folks are more concerned about male "Performers" is because there are more male sex predators. And the fact that these performers want to specifically perform an overtly sexual form of entertainment for children makes a lot of parents concerned, which many won't even voice for fear of being labeled a bigot.
 
...Everyone knows all this, obviously, which is now why some "Enlightened" academics and politicians are trying to play catch up and make arguments about how pedophilia should be considered an "Orientation," and that kids can actually consent. I dunno, maybe that was the purpose all along?
 
And finally, FFS, please note I did not say all trans, gay or drag performers are child predators. I don't doubt many do this with the best of intentions.
 
denialist said:
Okay, you're being obtuse. And you're avoiding the point about it being intentional, which everyone can see, regardless of whether one thinks it's right or wrong. It's a new phenomenon and it's widespread and it's controversial. And without a doubt drag "story hour" is part of the trans movement, whether the performers think they are the other gender or not. And the trans movement is clearly ideological. And the reason folks are more concerned about male "Performers" is because there are more male sex predators. And the fact that these performers want to specifically perform an overtly sexual form of entertainment for children makes a lot of parents concerned, which many won't even voice for fear of being labeled a bigot.
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I don’t think so man. I don’t believe their stories are overtly sexual.
I do agree that people are afraid of being labeled a bigot, but that does not mean they aren’t a bigot. If you “fear” your child becoming gay or a cross dresser, then you are seeing those people as “lesser” than you. That’s what bigotry is. People need to accept that
 
Aynirar27 said:
I just don’t see the confusion. Drag isn’t about confusion. It’s not men that think they are women. It’s just men that dress like women and perform. At its core, it’s a performance and that’s all.

We have never been to a performance, but my children have certainly been exposed to drag on TV. Explaining it to them was very simple.
compare that to, from your example, a Jewish reading hour and a Catholic reading hour. If your young kid came home from that and asked why there are different religions and does that mean some are right and some are wrong, don't you think that would be a much tougher discussion than why a few dudes were dressed like girls? Adults on this very board can't handle talking about religion in such a matter.
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Your points are well taken and I understand your point of view. Drag is confusing to kids because they can tell it is a man dressed up as a women (or vesa versa). Although I'm not too familiar with drag women dressing up as men but I'm sure they are out there. There appears to be sexual element to it and therefore I disagree that it needs to be done in front of children.
 
Aynirar27 said:
it's because they like to dress up as women.
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But why? Why do they enjoy that?

There appears to be this element of surprise or 'I tricked you' or, "Gee, I'd rather be a woman. I like dressing/looking/acting like a woman. I want to dance in a certain way and shake my hips and make you think I'm a woman." All in the hopes of what? What is the goal with that? I guess I just don't see the appeal :dunno:
 
311splawndude said:
But why? Why do they enjoy that?

There appears to be this element of surprise or 'I tricked you' or, "Gee, I'd rather be a woman. I like dressing/looking/acting like a woman. I want to dance in a certain way and shake my hips and make you think I'm a woman." All in the hopes of what? What is the goal with that? I guess I just don't see the appeal :dunno:
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They get more attention than a "regular" homosexual man.

:ROFLMAO:
 
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311splawndude said:
But why? Why do they enjoy that?

There appears to be this element of surprise or 'I tricked you' or, "Gee, I'd rather be a woman. I like dressing/looking/acting like a woman. I want to dance in a certain way and shake my hips and make you think I'm a woman." All in the hopes of what? What is the goal with that? I guess I just don't see the appeal :dunno:
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People dress up as a lot of things. Cosplay is huge. Rockstars dress up to perform. Not many drag queens are in drag for their day to day lives, only when they “dress up” for show
 
311splawndude said:
Your points are well taken and I understand your point of view. Drag is confusing to kids because they can tell it is a man dressed up as a women (or vesa versa). Although I'm not too familiar with drag women dressing up as men but I'm sure they are out there. There appears to be sexual element to it and therefore I disagree that it needs to be done in front of children.
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Many drag performances are very sexual for sure, but those are late at night in bars and clubs.

The same could be said for many performances.

Think about all of the types of performances out there, how many of them do you feel could not be done in a manner appropriate for kids?

Music? Dance, Sports, Comedy, Theater, etc?
 
ShitSquatch said:
The real problem is why? Where is the line for kids? Is it okay for Bs&M playtime or strippers on a pole story time or men who love goats magical moments?

Not one person has answered why that group is so adamant about reading to kids… the answer IMO is the continued normalization of “deviant” or whatever behavior… get em whilst they are impressionable and young

~ss
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