THE OCT CUTTIN CORRAL - Come Hang Out For A Whilst and talk about Retards and dumb shit…

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denialist said:
Actually "Queer," whatever the fuck that means... but how do you understand it then?
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it’s just a preference really. Gay is homosexuality, queer kind of encompasses all of the letters.

But anyways. It makes absolute sense to me why a bunch of “queers” would want people to understand their lifestyle. They want to do their thing and not get shit for it. That’s it.

It makes absolutely zero sense to me why they would want to make other people gay. Most would argue you can’t even make someone gay. The grooming stuff holds no weight to me.
 
Aynirar27 said:
it’s just a preference really. Gay is homosexuality, queer kind of encompasses all of the letters.

But anyways. It makes absolute sense to me why a bunch of “queers” would want people to understand their lifestyle. They want to do their thing and not get shit for it. That’s it.

It makes absolutely zero sense to me why they would want to make other people gay. Most would argue you can’t even make someone gay. The grooming stuff holds no weight to me.
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And the part about "bringing queer ways of knowing and being into the education," and "how to live queerly?" 😂
 
denialist said:
And the part about "bringing queer ways of knowing and being into the education," and "how to live queerly?" 😂
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Right. Understanding leads to compassion. Learning about how and why they are the way they are, lets people (hopefully) accept them for the way they are.

It’s not like they are teaching semester long courses on this (that I know of). It’s a few hours in a classroom, probably less
 
...And you're still ignoring or downplaying the explicit goal of teaching kids how to be "queer."
 
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denialist said:
Why is it so important that adult drag performers feel accepted by kids?
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I don’t think the performers themselves want to be accepted by kids. They want future generations to have it better than they did growing up.

I’ll say one more thing and I’ll call it quits. I’ve certainly said enough lol.

First, I don’t think they are trying to make anyone gay. BUT if they were, or if you believe they are, I also don’t see anything wrong with being gay.
Some of you may think that being gay is a bad thing, and that is perfectly within your rights, but you should also admit that is the underlying reason you have issue with all this.

Yes trying to make a child become something is inherently wrong, but becoming gay or becoming straight is no different to me.
That’s really all I got. You guys can read in to it all you want, but that is literally the crux of the last days worth of posting.

Later queers
 
Aynirar27 said:
I don’t think the performers themselves want to be accepted by kids. They want future generations to have it better than they did growing up.

I’ll say one more thing and I’ll call it quits. I’ve certainly said enough lol.

First, I don’t think they are trying to make anyone gay. BUT if they were, or if you believe they are, I also don’t see anything wrong with being gay.
Some of you may think that being gay is a bad thing, and that is perfectly within your rights, but you should also admit that is the underlying reason you have issue with all this.

Yes trying to make a child become something is inherently wrong, but becoming gay or becoming straight is no different to me.
That’s really all I got. You guys can read in to it all you want, but that is literally the crux of the last days worth of posting.

Later queers
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You can’t make Yabba understand anything.
 
Aynirar27 said:
That’s really all I got. You guys can read in to it all you want
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If I thought that's all it was about I would more or less agree with you. I don't think you need drag shows and queer pedagogy to teach basic respect for different people though. I think there's a lot more going on here, and seems like you're unwilling to see it.
 
denialist said:
If I thought that's all it was about I would more or less agree with you. I don't think you need drag shows and queer pedagogy to teach basic respect for different people though. I think there's a lot more going on here, and seems like you're unwilling to see it.
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You may as well give up on explaining your point of view to Aynirar. It's evident from all his posts that he's closing his eyes and mind to anything that doesn't match his perspective. Or maybe he is to dense to understand that the issue is not about dressing in drag or even drag queens reading to kids (with parental approval). Its about schools, libraries and other institutions forcing these topics on children when its not their place to do so.

Like you said, you can teach basic respect towards all people without having to layer other agenda on top of it.
 
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denialist said:
If I thought that's all it was about I would more or less agree with you. I don't think you need drag shows and queer pedagogy to teach basic respect for different people though. I think there's a lot more going on here, and seems like you're unwilling to see it.
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I’ll ask one more thing lol. It’s a hypothetical that I ask myself when working out thoughts.

Say a school put together a class where a bunch of gay people came in and talked about their weddings. Why? I don’t know, but stick with me. I believe some people would think there was an angle or motive behind it.

Compare that a group of heterosexual couples coming in and talking about their weddings. Would that create the same reaction?

Is it conceivable to think that the gays may cause people to think they were more of less trying to indoctrinate a gay lifestyle, but the 2nd group would not be seen as trying to indoctrinate a “straight” lifestyle. Has being straight been so engrained in our society as being “normal” that we don’t even realize that we are conditioning our kids to think that way.

Say they remade sleeping beauty, and the only way some dude could wake up is to be kissed by another dude? I think a lot of people would take offense to that in one way or another. I also think those same people would not think the original was pushing the “straight agenda”.

Personally, I don’t think most of us are pushing any agenda. BUT societal norms are changing whether we like it or not. I’m sure homosexuality will always be in the minority, but I don’t think it will be as fringe as it is now. It will be normal, and accepted just the same.
I feel that is an ok thing to happen, and that is why I’m ok with children learning that the “gay lifestyle” is a thing. They will be exposed to it no matter what, and these story times seem like a controlled environment to do so.
 
I have a prison story that I actually had with an inmate....you tell me if you would want this dude reading stories to a bunch of kids....this was a raging homo....he kept it 100...24/7...not sure how this conversation started but this is it loosely verbatim....
inmate-so there I was...just giving it to him....
me-bro-I don't want to hear this...
inmate-well I slipped out and guess what I saw?
me-Fuck...what did you see?
inmate-a baked bean...in the end of my dick.....
me-................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................what the fuck did you just say?
inmate-I was fucking this dude and slipped out and there was a baked bean there.............................
me-................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................so what did you do?
inmate-I reached down and went PEEEEEEEOOOOWWWWWWW!!!!!!!(while making a flipping motion with his fingers) and went right back to fuckin.
me-..............don't you ever speak to me again dammit.

his name was dre....we called him the booty bandit....lol.....
 
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Aynirar27 said:
Has being straight been so engrained in our society as being “normal” that we don’t even realize that we are conditioning our kids to think that way?
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I get what you're saying and think it's worth considering. I'm not sure that being straight is engineered or even simply status quo — it's the reason our weird-ass species continues.
 
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denialist said:
I get what you're saying and think it's worth considering. I'm not sure that being straight is engineered or even simply status quo — it's the reason our weird-ass species continues.
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It’s certainly a little extreme, but for me at least, when I approach something objectively the best way is to take Group A and Group B, make them do the same exact thing, and then consider the reaction.
It’s not always cut and dry, but I think it helps get to the source a bit. It’s not with the intent to see who is right or wrong, but it helps let people understand where their opinions on a topic stem from.
 
denialist said:
Yeah, changing norms are being pushed by a small minority. A lot of people resent that. It's not very "democratic" is it?
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Not necessarily. It’s sort of a lazy argument, but look how far woman’s rights or black rights have come. It’s hard to see from the present how good or bad things really are. Society will always change. I think the difference between you and I is that I see “the writing on the wall” to be a bit more organic and less pushed.
Like always, it’s most likely a bit of both
 
Aynirar27 said:
I’ll ask one more thing lol. It’s a hypothetical that I ask myself when working out thoughts.

Say a school put together a class where a bunch of gay people came in and talked about their weddings.
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Bro.....
 
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