thread on larry amps and who he says ripped him off!

[maddnotez]

They would surely find a way to turn it around on Larry or to whoever pointed it out.

Either way, dude. These Youtube clips of Larry amps are complete dogshit. Reza we are all waiting patiently

I have heard them before online and the last iced Earth Album DOES sound incredible. They apparently used a Larry to record? The Sag is unreal and kinda reminds me of my old Bogner.

But yeah $6k and a 3 year wait? No thanks, that is above my paygrade anyway but I wouldn't wait years even if I had the money I don't think.

 

[maddnotez]

But now I know it's the bite & punch circuit he ripped from you.

Ok here we go and I've been thinking about posting the following at all a few days, but the world needs the truth and lies do have short legs, as we all already know.

No it's not ONLY the Bite & Punch circuit what he ripped off of my intellectual properties.
'Only this' maybe I even could have forgiven him?
But it's much more, way much more what he's ripped off of my circuits.

To be finally concrete in this manner...

... the circuit of his NATAS is a 100% rip off of the DINO 939 I've built for him back in 2007

He's stripped down the DINO to the California & Scream channels, has omitted the British channel, has 'economized' the SRV mode of the California channel and has merely added a Send Level control to the FX loop section - and already he's been done. Nothing - in words: NOTHING - of his NATAS circuit has emanated off his own brain.

The only what he's done different in the circuit is, that he's swapped a few part's values.
But the funny thing is, that I've especially after his demands at that time back in 2007 have choosen some part's values slightly different from those, which I usually use by building my DINO amps. And he has adopted these few unusual part's values in his NATAS

By coincidence I've had a NATAS on my bench a while ago and the customer left me the amp for 2 days, so that I could do my analysis.
All what I've said above I can proof anytime, because I also took enough HiQ photos of the inside of the partially disassembled NATAS
I don't send these photos around as well as I don't forward the schematic of this NATAS, which I've drawn by myself...
... but everybody who is interested and wants to come by to my shop anytime can have a look onto this all.

Sure the NATAS by far doesn't reach the sound performance of a DINO and that's caused by several reasons:

- his circuit is on a PCB while the DINO's circuit is on an eyelet board
- it's a different arrangement of the components on the DINO's board with wider spaces between them
- he's using different component's brands in respect to the DINO
- his lead dress, the routing of the cables is way different to the lead dress inside the DINO
- it's obvious to me, that he can't have much experience with that form of current, which isn't floating inside of components & cables
- he doesn't use NOS preamp & poweramp tubes
- and last but not least, his output transformer is in no way comparable to the DINO's output transformer

I guess (means, that I don't know definitely), that his Bones amp is nothing else than a stripped down DINO, remaining just the British channel
And moreover I guess, that his Evil Pumpkin isn't much other, than a revised NATAS

Once Joe Delaney of Randall named him "The Undisputed Master Of High Gain"
After knowing that all finally I only can name him "The Undisputed Master Of Plagiarism"

Have a nice Sunday, wherever you are!

Damn I knew I smelled something funny about Fortin. I always thought it was just his employees I did not like but nah....If this is true (which I absolutely assume that it is) I dislike it quite a bit.

Sure, Fortin did it. Made the name, got the jobs with Randall but plagiarism in my opinion is like some burn in hell shit. Maybe you won't get caught, maybe you will never face any consequences but you will die a piece of shit.

 

[paulyc]

Although I don’t condone stealing someone else’s hard earned work, unless it was patented it’s a free for all in the amp circuit world no?

Do I need to list all the amps that are copies of originals? Jim Marshall is the biggest thief to ever enter the amp world. Yet everyone thinks Marshall’s are the shit.

At this point the same people are parroting the same talking points. We already knew about this shit years ago. Now Fortin has blown up and Larry is still a one man shop. Both are doing fine. It’s not like Larry would be able to keep up with the demand anyway.

I don't think Larry is wishing to pursue any litigation, he's just drawing attention to what people have been saying for a long time and what people have been ignoring for a long time, that Mike like to pawn other peoples designs off as his own. The industry severely lacks transparency

Honesty. Fartin’s sharten designs and business practices lack it completely. Just like his Meshuggah amps ghost-built by Metro Amps and shipped to unknowing customers that paid in advance. And what ever happened to that mythical 4th gain stage? $3500 for a kit amp ghost-built by a third party... better be about 1.5 kg of some extra pure Colombia's finest in there. Some people couldn’t be creative if their life depended on it. But honesty... it’s usually a given if you want to build a successful business.

Shady. Very shady. I wonder what the Fartin Army would have to say???

They'd poo poo it of course.

 

[maddnotez]

Well, this is why none of us get on forums anymore. Such nonsense. This was already addressed, and in this thread as well, but no matter, let's just blast a great guy. Too bad Steve_k (R.I.P.) isn't alive anymore to bring more reality into this nonsense. Here it is again, and I guess I won't get on this forum for another 6 months at minimum. People need to stop blowing this nonsense out of proportion. This idea has been published for years.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=56786&p=667137&hilit=book#p667137

In case people can't be arsed to click once:

"Thanks for the kind words Larry
I have a lot of respect for you as a builder and I think you're one of the top amp manufacturers out there.

Just a simple application of technology and nothing for me to take credit for.
To be specific, the Hulk mod Girth and Grind are connect like Page 6 of the link below, Garnet Gnome G15T, but with different values. The controls located between V1 and V2.
http://www.el34world.com/charts/Schematics/Garnet.pdf

These types of "tone controls" are dicussed in the following as reference:
Merlin Blencowe’s “Designing Tube Preamps For Guitar and Bass” under the chapter of “Tone controls and Tone stacks” starting on page 229. TUT series books also goes over some cool simple shelving controls as well as RDH 4th edition, chapter 15 Tone Compensations and Tone Controls sub title continuously – variable controls – general. Also Gar’s great little book also discusses some great variable single treble and bass filters. http://www.garnetamps.com/book.htm

Cheers,
Mike"

The real REASON you and some other shills avoid forums is a very simple and obvious one....you won't be able to DELETE or BAN anyone here for disagreeing with your 'Putin' like tactics when it comes to any type of criticism sent your or Fortin Amps way. You know..like anyone questioning Fortin products quality, where they are built, price, etc. ANYTHING that is even slightly negative, you have no control over.
Simple and obvious. You just have to sit there, read it and TAKE IT. No control for you.
Unlike the Fortin FB page...just delete to your little hearts content...I mean, how DARE anyone ask a legitimate question on where the amp/pedal is made...how DARE they?? Oh snap I'll delete the post and BAN THEM.
Problem solved, right shill? Right.
So you can just go back and disappear into your self serving bullshit FB page where you control everything.
Fortin Army my ass.

Facts.


Also maybe my analysis is wrong here but he sure seems to come out of the woodwork at extremely convenient times

 

[technomancer]

It's funny but actual photos of one of the Randall amps with the LF / Girth and HF / Grind controls show that it is clearly not the above referenced Garnet tone stack.

This is the Garnet Gnome tone stack referenced...



and below is a gutshot of the LF / Girth and HF / Grind controls on one of the Randalls... both pots in the Garnet schematic are single gang while the LF is clearly a dual gang pot in the actual amp so the Fortin controls are clearly not this:

"To be specific, the Hulk mod Girth and Grind are connect like Page 6 of the link below, Garnet Gnome G15T, but with different values."

Could be an altered version adjusting multiple components of the filter or other things in the circuit but it isn't just the Garnet with different values.

I could be wrong but I don't believe the Satan and the Natas are the same circuit designs. It would be cool to compare the schematics. I really don't think there is anything new anymore and everything is really just a copy or somewhat borrowed designed from another.

I would be surprised if the grind and girth controls are exact copies of Larrys circuit.

To summarize the Natas and Satan designs were both sold to Randall and became the Thrasher and Satan. The basic circuits are the same, and the Natas and Satan are the same amp with some voicing tweaks and minor feature changes. The Randall Ultimate Nullifier is also based on the same design, and the Randall amps used the same circuit board.

Won't comment on Larry's claims since I haven't really looked at his circuits, but the Fortin controls are not the Garnet Gnome tonestack as previously claimed.

 

[novosibir]

Just got an email with an attachement.
Someone has created a notable image.

 

[hstlaurent]

 

[spliffsperlunk]

Although I don’t condone stealing someone else’s hard earned work, unless it was patented it’s a free for all in the amp circuit world no?

Do I need to list all the amps that are copies of originals? Jim Marshall is the biggest thief to ever enter the amp world. Yet everyone thinks Marshall’s are the shit.

At this point the same people are parroting the same talking points. We already knew about this shit years ago. Now Fortin has blown up and Larry is still a one man shop. Both are doing fine. It’s not like Larry would be able to keep up with the demand anyway.

I don't think Larry is wishing to pursue any litigation, he's just drawing attention to what people have been saying for a long time and what people have been ignoring for a long time, that Mike like to pawn other peoples designs off as his own. The industry severely lacks transparency

Honesty. Fartin’s sharten designs and business practices lack it completely. Just like his Meshuggah amps ghost-built by Metro Amps and shipped to unknowing customers that paid in advance. And what ever happened to that mythical 4th gain stage? $3500 for a kit amp ghost-built by a third party... better be about 1.5 kg of some extra pure Colombia's finest in there. Some people couldn’t be creative if their life depended on it. But honesty... it’s usually a given if you want to build a successful business.

Shady. Very shady. I wonder what the Fartin Army would have to say???

Whoa is that info legit? That's fuken rotten if so.

 

[hstlaurent]

But now I know it's the bite & punch circuit he ripped from you.

Ok here we go and I've been thinking about posting the following at all a few days, but the world needs the truth and lies do have short legs, as we all already know.

No it's not ONLY the Bite & Punch circuit what he ripped off of my intellectual properties.
'Only this' maybe I even could have forgiven him?
But it's much more, way much more what he's ripped off of my circuits.

To be finally concrete in this manner...

... the circuit of his NATAS is a 100% rip off of the DINO 939 I've built for him back in 2007

He's stripped down the DINO to the California & Scream channels, has omitted the British channel, has 'economized' the SRV mode of the California channel and has merely added a Send Level control to the FX loop section - and already he's been done. Nothing - in words: NOTHING - of his NATAS circuit has emanated off his own brain.

The only what he's done different in the circuit is, that he's swapped a few part's values.
But the funny thing is, that I've especially after his demands at that time back in 2007 have choosen some part's values slightly different from those, which I usually use by building my DINO amps. And he has adopted these few unusual part's values in his NATAS

By coincidence I've had a NATAS on my bench a while ago and the customer left me the amp for 2 days, so that I could do my analysis.
All what I've said above I can proof anytime, because I also took enough HiQ photos of the inside of the partially disassembled NATAS
I don't send these photos around as well as I don't forward the schematic of this NATAS, which I've drawn by myself...
... but everybody who is interested and wants to come by to my shop anytime can have a look onto this all.

Sure the NATAS by far doesn't reach the sound performance of a DINO and that's caused by several reasons:

- his circuit is on a PCB while the DINO's circuit is on an eyelet board
- it's a different arrangement of the components on the DINO's board with wider spaces between them
- he's using different component's brands in respect to the DINO
- his lead dress, the routing of the cables is way different to the lead dress inside the DINO
- it's obvious to me, that he can't have much experience with that form of current, which isn't floating inside of components & cables
- he doesn't use NOS preamp & poweramp tubes
- and last but not least, his output transformer is in no way comparable to the DINO's output transformer

I guess (means, that I don't know definitely), that his Bones amp is nothing else than a stripped down DINO, remaining just the British channel
And moreover I guess, that his Evil Pumpkin isn't much other, than a revised NATAS

Once Joe Delaney of Randall named him "The Undisputed Master Of High Gain"
After knowing that all finally I only can name him "The Undisputed Master Of Plagiarism"

Have a nice Sunday, wherever you are!

This suck at so many levels.

 

[diezelduder]

who is larry? why is a fortin?

who cares,

i ripped off everyone and they made me a king,

hhahahhahahaha

enter wizard of ozz

 

[novosibir]

... and they made me a king

Are you sure? Not a King Kong?

 

[diezelduder]

... and they made me a king

Are you sure? Not a King Kong?

just an old quote, different variations of "stealing everything vs stealing one thing making one either a criminal or a king" has been said by many

i'm more of a king dong, not a real king of any sort

but i really have no skin in this game and don't really care that much, if i must weigh in i believe larry is an amazing amp maker and should be praised well above fortin,


i just find it interesting that this particular topic has exploded as of late on several forums i'd assume

when i remember talking to a certain mr. fortin directly and asking if the girth/grind was not exactly like bite/punch of larry amplification

all i remember is a lot of waffling and going back to what mr fortin said that aforementioned does, without commenting on larry too much if at all

ciao

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

Well, this is why none of us get on forums anymore. Such nonsense. This was already addressed, and in this thread as well, but no matter, let's just blast a great guy. Too bad Steve_k (R.I.P.) isn't alive anymore to bring more reality into this nonsense. Here it is again, and I guess I won't get on this forum for another 6 months at minimum. People need to stop blowing this nonsense out of proportion. This idea has been published for years.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=56786&p=667137&hilit=book#p667137

In case people can't be arsed to click once:

"Thanks for the kind words Larry
I have a lot of respect for you as a builder and I think you're one of the top amp manufacturers out there.

Just a simple application of technology and nothing for me to take credit for.
To be specific, the Hulk mod Girth and Grind are connect like Page 6 of the link below, Garnet Gnome G15T, but with different values. The controls located between V1 and V2.
http://www.el34world.com/charts/Schematics/Garnet.pdf

These types of "tone controls" are dicussed in the following as reference:
Merlin Blencowe’s “Designing Tube Preamps For Guitar and Bass” under the chapter of “Tone controls and Tone stacks” starting on page 229. TUT series books also goes over some cool simple shelving controls as well as RDH 4th edition, chapter 15 Tone Compensations and Tone Controls sub title continuously – variable controls – general. Also Gar’s great little book also discusses some great variable single treble and bass filters. http://www.garnetamps.com/book.htm

Cheers,
Mike"

The real REASON you and some other shills avoid forums is a very simple and obvious one....you won't be able to DELETE or BAN anyone here for disagreeing with your 'Putin' like tactics when it comes to any type of criticism sent your or Fortin Amps way. You know..like anyone questioning Fortin products quality, where they are built, price, etc. ANYTHING that is even slightly negative, you have no control over.
Simple and obvious. You just have to sit there, read it and TAKE IT. No control for you.
Unlike the Fortin FB page...just delete to your little hearts content...I mean, how DARE anyone ask a legitimate question on where the amp/pedal is made...how DARE they?? Oh snap I'll delete the post and BAN THEM.
Problem solved, right shill? Right.
So you can just go back and disappear into your self serving bullshit FB page where you control everything.
Fortin Army my ass.

Facts.


Also maybe my analysis is wrong here but he sure seems to come out of the woodwork at extremely convenient times

engage757 works for Fartin. Not sure in what capacity, but he is employed by Fartin. More than a shill.

Zach (aka engage757) has also been banned from other Gear Forums for his less than honorable ways. Ask Technomancer for more details.

Birds of a feather...

 

[technomancer]

Well, this is why none of us get on forums anymore. Such nonsense. This was already addressed, and in this thread as well, but no matter, let's just blast a great guy. Too bad Steve_k (R.I.P.) isn't alive anymore to bring more reality into this nonsense. Here it is again, and I guess I won't get on this forum for another 6 months at minimum. People need to stop blowing this nonsense out of proportion. This idea has been published for years.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=56786&p=667137&hilit=book#p667137

In case people can't be arsed to click once:

"Thanks for the kind words Larry
I have a lot of respect for you as a builder and I think you're one of the top amp manufacturers out there.

Just a simple application of technology and nothing for me to take credit for.
To be specific, the Hulk mod Girth and Grind are connect like Page 6 of the link below, Garnet Gnome G15T, but with different values. The controls located between V1 and V2.
http://www.el34world.com/charts/Schematics/Garnet.pdf

These types of "tone controls" are dicussed in the following as reference:
Merlin Blencowe’s “Designing Tube Preamps For Guitar and Bass” under the chapter of “Tone controls and Tone stacks” starting on page 229. TUT series books also goes over some cool simple shelving controls as well as RDH 4th edition, chapter 15 Tone Compensations and Tone Controls sub title continuously – variable controls – general. Also Gar’s great little book also discusses some great variable single treble and bass filters. http://www.garnetamps.com/book.htm

Cheers,
Mike"

The real REASON you and some other shills avoid forums is a very simple and obvious one....you won't be able to DELETE or BAN anyone here for disagreeing with your 'Putin' like tactics when it comes to any type of criticism sent your or Fortin Amps way. You know..like anyone questioning Fortin products quality, where they are built, price, etc. ANYTHING that is even slightly negative, you have no control over.
Simple and obvious. You just have to sit there, read it and TAKE IT. No control for you.
Unlike the Fortin FB page...just delete to your little hearts content...I mean, how DARE anyone ask a legitimate question on where the amp/pedal is made...how DARE they?? Oh snap I'll delete the post and BAN THEM.
Problem solved, right shill? Right.
So you can just go back and disappear into your self serving bullshit FB page where you control everything.
Fortin Army my ass.

Facts.


Also maybe my analysis is wrong here but he sure seems to come out of the woodwork at extremely convenient times

engage757 works for Fartin. Not sure in what capacity, but he is employed by Fartin. More than a shill.

Zach (aka engage757) has also been banned from other Gear Forums for his less than honorable ways. Ask Technomancer for more details.

Birds of a feather...

Please don't

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

Well, this is why none of us get on forums anymore. Such nonsense. This was already addressed, and in this thread as well, but no matter, let's just blast a great guy. Too bad Steve_k (R.I.P.) isn't alive anymore to bring more reality into this nonsense. Here it is again, and I guess I won't get on this forum for another 6 months at minimum. People need to stop blowing this nonsense out of proportion. This idea has been published for years.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=56786&p=667137&hilit=book#p667137

In case people can't be arsed to click once:

"Thanks for the kind words Larry
I have a lot of respect for you as a builder and I think you're one of the top amp manufacturers out there.

Just a simple application of technology and nothing for me to take credit for.
To be specific, the Hulk mod Girth and Grind are connect like Page 6 of the link below, Garnet Gnome G15T, but with different values. The controls located between V1 and V2.
http://www.el34world.com/charts/Schematics/Garnet.pdf

These types of "tone controls" are dicussed in the following as reference:
Merlin Blencowe’s “Designing Tube Preamps For Guitar and Bass” under the chapter of “Tone controls and Tone stacks” starting on page 229. TUT series books also goes over some cool simple shelving controls as well as RDH 4th edition, chapter 15 Tone Compensations and Tone Controls sub title continuously – variable controls – general. Also Gar’s great little book also discusses some great variable single treble and bass filters. http://www.garnetamps.com/book.htm

Cheers,
Mike"

The real REASON you and some other shills avoid forums is a very simple and obvious one....you won't be able to DELETE or BAN anyone here for disagreeing with your 'Putin' like tactics when it comes to any type of criticism sent your or Fortin Amps way. You know..like anyone questioning Fortin products quality, where they are built, price, etc. ANYTHING that is even slightly negative, you have no control over.
Simple and obvious. You just have to sit there, read it and TAKE IT. No control for you.
Unlike the Fortin FB page...just delete to your little hearts content...I mean, how DARE anyone ask a legitimate question on where the amp/pedal is made...how DARE they?? Oh snap I'll delete the post and BAN THEM.
Problem solved, right shill? Right.
So you can just go back and disappear into your self serving bullshit FB page where you control everything.
Fortin Army my ass.

Facts.


Also maybe my analysis is wrong here but he sure seems to come out of the woodwork at extremely convenient times

engage757 works for Fartin. Not sure in what capacity, but he is employed by Fartin. More than a shill.

Zach (aka engage757) has also been banned from other Gear Forums for his less than honorable ways. Ask Technomancer for more details.

Birds of a feather...

Please don't

Sharing is caring...

 

[Krull]

What I don’t get is if the Natas and Dino are supposedly exactly the same, then why do they literally sound nothing alike.

Also Fortin amps like the Natas, Bones, and Meathead are built completely different. I don’t think I have seen anything built like those amps.

What pre dates the Meathead?

You guys can hate all you want. I give zero fucks. It’s just hilarious seeing the same people pop in saying the same shit over and over again.

 

[scottosan]

What I don’t get is if the Natas and Dino are supposedly exactly the same, then why do they literally sound nothing alike.

Also Fortin amps like the Natas, Bones, and Meathead are built completely different. I don’t think I have seen anything built like those amps.

What pre dates the Meathead?

You guys can hate all you want. I give zero fucks. It’s just hilarious seeing the same people pop in saying the same shit over and over again.

The meathead is a copy of the Elan Metalhead from what I gather

 

[maddnotez]

Well, this is why none of us get on forums anymore. Such nonsense. This was already addressed, and in this thread as well, but no matter, let's just blast a great guy. Too bad Steve_k (R.I.P.) isn't alive anymore to bring more reality into this nonsense. Here it is again, and I guess I won't get on this forum for another 6 months at minimum. People need to stop blowing this nonsense out of proportion. This idea has been published for years.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=56786&p=667137&hilit=book#p667137

In case people can't be arsed to click once:

"Thanks for the kind words Larry
I have a lot of respect for you as a builder and I think you're one of the top amp manufacturers out there.

Just a simple application of technology and nothing for me to take credit for.
To be specific, the Hulk mod Girth and Grind are connect like Page 6 of the link below, Garnet Gnome G15T, but with different values. The controls located between V1 and V2.
http://www.el34world.com/charts/Schematics/Garnet.pdf

These types of "tone controls" are dicussed in the following as reference:
Merlin Blencowe’s “Designing Tube Preamps For Guitar and Bass” under the chapter of “Tone controls and Tone stacks” starting on page 229. TUT series books also goes over some cool simple shelving controls as well as RDH 4th edition, chapter 15 Tone Compensations and Tone Controls sub title continuously – variable controls – general. Also Gar’s great little book also discusses some great variable single treble and bass filters. http://www.garnetamps.com/book.htm

Cheers,
Mike"

The real REASON you and some other shills avoid forums is a very simple and obvious one....you won't be able to DELETE or BAN anyone here for disagreeing with your 'Putin' like tactics when it comes to any type of criticism sent your or Fortin Amps way. You know..like anyone questioning Fortin products quality, where they are built, price, etc. ANYTHING that is even slightly negative, you have no control over.
Simple and obvious. You just have to sit there, read it and TAKE IT. No control for you.
Unlike the Fortin FB page...just delete to your little hearts content...I mean, how DARE anyone ask a legitimate question on where the amp/pedal is made...how DARE they?? Oh snap I'll delete the post and BAN THEM.
Problem solved, right shill? Right.
So you can just go back and disappear into your self serving bullshit FB page where you control everything.
Fortin Army my ass.

Facts.


Also maybe my analysis is wrong here but he sure seems to come out of the woodwork at extremely convenient times

engage757 works for Fartin. Not sure in what capacity, but he is employed by Fartin. More than a shill.

Zach (aka engage757) has also been banned from other Gear Forums for his less than honorable ways. Ask Technomancer for more details.

Birds of a feather...

Please don't

Sharing is caring...

I think everyone knows by now.

I just thought it was funny to see how (and this is like every posts he makes now) he NEVER comes to forums anymore because he is so above that and how he and all his famous NAMM friends just laugh and laugh over beers about how low the forum people are yet.....One slight towards Fortin and there he is.

 

[novosibir]

What I don’t get is if the Natas and Dino are supposedly exactly the same, then why do they literally sound nothing alike.

Your question already is answered, you just have had to read attentively:

But now I know it's the bite & punch circuit he ripped from you.

Ok here we go and I've been thinking about posting the following at all a few days, but the world needs the truth and lies do have short legs, as we all already know.

No it's not ONLY the Bite & Punch circuit what he ripped off of my intellectual properties.
'Only this' maybe I even could have forgiven him?
But it's much more, way much more what he's ripped off of my circuits.

To be finally concrete in this manner...

... the circuit of his NATAS is a 100% rip off of the DINO 939 I've built for him back in 2007

He's stripped down the DINO to the California & Scream channels, has omitted the British channel, has 'economized' the SRV mode of the California channel and has merely added a Send Level control to the FX loop section - and already he's been done. Nothing - in words: NOTHING - of his NATAS circuit has emanated off his own brain.

The only what he's done different in the circuit is, that he's swapped a few part's values.
But the funny thing is, that I've especially after his demands at that time back in 2007 have choosen some part's values slightly different from those, which I usually use by building my DINO amps. And he has adopted these few unusual part's values in his NATAS

By coincidence I've had a NATAS on my bench a while ago and the customer left me the amp for 2 days, so that I could do my analysis.
All what I've said above I can proof anytime, because I also took enough HiQ photos of the inside of the partially disassembled NATAS
I don't send these photos around as well as I don't forward the schematic of this NATAS, which I've drawn by myself...
... but everybody who is interested and wants to come by to my shop anytime can have a look onto this all.

Sure the NATAS by far doesn't reach the sound performance of a DINO and that's caused by several reasons:

- his circuit is on a PCB while the DINO's circuit is on an eyelet board
- it's a different arrangement of the components on the DINO's board with wider spaces between them
- he's using different component's brands in respect to the DINO
- his lead dress, the routing of the cables is way different to the lead dress inside the DINO
- it's obvious to me, that he can't have much experience with that form of current, which isn't floating inside of components & cables
- he doesn't use NOS preamp & poweramp tubes
- and last but not least, his output transformer is in no way comparable to the DINO's output transformer

I guess (means, that I don't know definitely), that his Bones amp is nothing else than a stripped down DINO, remaining just the British channel
And moreover I guess, that his Evil Pumpkin isn't much other, than a revised NATAS

Once Joe Delaney of Randall named him "The Undisputed Master Of High Gain"
After knowing that all finally I only can name him "The Undisputed Master Of Plagiarism"

Have a nice Sunday, wherever you are!

 

[Krull]

Ok so let’s say it’s like the Soldano SLO vs the Mesa Boogie Rectifier series.

Mystery solved.

Where’s the outrage when the 100th “boutique” amp comes out that’s just another variant of a Marshall, which was stolen from Fender.

I’m just glad we have choices and people are building amps.