thread on larry amps and who he says ripped him off!

[novosibir]

Ok so let’s say it’s like the Soldano SLO vs the Mesa Boogie Rectifier series.

No!

Though the Rectifier circuit as well as the 5150's and the Framus Cobra's circuits are based on the SLO100's circuit, they differ in certain details, whereas the NATAS' circuit differs in no way to the DINO 939's circuit - it simply has been stripped down from a 3 channel to a 2 channel circuit, since the British channel of my DINO 939 has been omitted.

 

[novosibir]

And I'm sure, this omitted British channel of the DINO 939 first found a new life in Fortin's Bones amp, what IMO also is a stripped down DINO 939, stripped down with just the British channel remaining - and I can imagine, why Mike first has introduced the Bones...

... since the British channel (in HotRod mode) is the well known unique Jon Schaffer rhythm tone

Maybe to grip all the Iced Earth wannabees, offering a cheaper alternative than a DINO 939 would be?

 

[Krull]

I’m not trying to defend Fortin here. You analyzed it and say it’s a copy of your amp which must feel terrible and I believe you.

But this has been going on since the beginning of tube amps and guitars. I don’t like it but it happens.

Anyway I wish you all the best. I know your amps speak for themselves!

Also I think the Mesa Rectifier only modification from the SLO was the tube Rectifier power section. Everything else is the same.

 

[novosibir]

But this has been going on since the beginning of tube amps and guitars. I don’t like it but it happens.

Again no!

The widely to excess strained example: "Marshall has copied Fender" simply is wrong!

The Fender Bassman circuit is a RCA circuit, found in an RCA book from 1940 what RCA has given to the industry, since they wanted to sell their tubes.
All other well known Fender schematics like Champ, Princeton, aso. also originate of this RCA book.
Not one circuit of Fender of their early days until the early 60' has been a product of Leo Fender's brain or of one of his employees.
Hence the first Marshall amps haven't been copies or rip-offs of the Fender Bassman, but simply also amps based on one of the examples of the mentioned RCA book.
Fender simply has been first, Marshall second.

So what did Jim Marshall (or rather Ken Bran)?
They simply adopted a schematic of this RCA book.

This hasn't been plagiarism

 

[maddnotez]

So damn...Ok i dont ALWAYS talk shit on people, usually just to those who have done me wrong but I really don't like the thievery and the way they do things so I do not feel bad about my next post.

I just found out, after laughing about the joke of a 33 pedal with some people......I am sure everyone knows by now that Mike Fortin ripped off TC Electronics by making the 33 right? That is the story, I am no engineer but apparently the difference is he eliminated the eq ranges.

So yeah the stories check out. The guy is basically a theif and then on top of that he overprices and overhypes his products. Zach Khoury is actually the PERFECT employee for this guy. lol.


Anyway back on topic. Someone started making 33 clones for like $100. I just found out that Mike Fortin had his attorney go after said pedal maker. Isn't that fucking rich. Someone cloned your clone and you get butthurt?

Pfftt.. Fuck Fortin.

 

[WarHed]

That is the story, I am no engineer but apparently the difference is he eliminated the eq ranges.

He replaced the variable resistors with fixed resistors, and added a voltage booster straight out of the voltage booster data sheet.
It's a shame as the TC integrated preamp is actually a fantastic circuit as a preamp or boost.

And the zuul is lifted from the Marshall KK and YJM jcm800 built in noise gate circuit.

 

[GuitarGoat]

That is the story, I am no engineer but apparently the difference is he eliminated the eq ranges.

He replaced the variable resistors with fixed resistors, and added a voltage booster straight out of the voltage booster data sheet.
It's a shame as the TC integrated preamp is actually a fantastic circuit as a preamp or boost.

And the zuul is lifted from the Marshall KK and YJM jcm800 built in noise gate circuit.

I’m not sure what the problem is with him using these circuits. Can you buy a new TC Integrated Preamp that you don’t need a 24V power supply and know how to set the EQ knobs? Can you buy the Marshall noise gate circuit in pedal form? If you can’t buy those from anyone else, he is making a unique product. Just because the designs are derived from others, that doesn’t mean it’s the exact same thing. The stories above that the Natas is a Dino would be a different scenario...

 

[jasonP]

Fortin isn’t selling the natas anymore I don’t believe. Can someone pass me a schematic of the Satan? I heard that amps circuit was more based off a elan metalhead?

Larry does the girth/grind control use a dual ganged pot like the Satan amp?

 

[Goat]

 

[Racerxrated]

So damn...Ok i dont ALWAYS talk shit on people, usually just to those who have done me wrong but I really don't like the thievery and the way they do things so I do not feel bad about my next post.

I just found out, after laughing about the joke of a 33 pedal with some people......I am sure everyone knows by now that Mike Fortin ripped off TC Electronics by making the 33 right? That is the story, I am no engineer but apparently the difference is he eliminated the eq ranges.

So yeah the stories check out. The guy is basically a theif and then on top of that he overprices and overhypes his products. Zach Khoury is actually the PERFECT employee for this guy. lol.


Anyway back on topic. Someone started making 33 clones for like $100. I just found out that Mike Fortin had his attorney go after said pedal maker. Isn't that fucking rich. Someone cloned your clone and you get butthurt?

Pfftt.. Fuck Fortin.

Wow. It just keeps coming. More bullshit copies. Really sad....not much out there worse than a cheat and a liar, when it comes to business. Sad sad sad.

Oh, and did you see the 'shiny object' distraction the 'shill' threw out there? Concerning Steve K? I'm assuming Steve put cash down on a Larry build, and now that Steve has passed....Larry will have to refund the down payment. But "Engage" decides to distract the thread by 'accusing' without really stating anything specific, that Larry is somehow 'ripping off' Steve's widow. Nice classy move there. POS.

 

[novosibir]

Larry does the girth/grind control use a dual ganged pot like the Satan amp?

No, neither the Fortin NATAS, nor the Randall Satan use dual ganged pots for their of my circuits pilfered (and then different named) Bite & Punch circuit.
The only amp using a dual ganged pot for the LF gain is the Randall Thrasher, from where btw also the from technomancer posted photo originates.

Not only the NATAS and the Satan, but also the Thrasher isn't using - even not partially - anything of or completely the asserted Garnet circuit.

It's obvious now, that this only has been a pityful defensive lie !

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Boost your amps.. put an end to this madness. An EQ in your loop and a few good boosts will do wonders for you and liberate you from the shackles of expensive boutique amp price tags. Also, nobody will really hear THAT much of a difference on the recordings you make at home for the 20 people who will listen to it....

 

[paulyc]

So damn...Ok i dont ALWAYS talk shit on people, usually just to those who have done me wrong but I really don't like the thievery and the way they do things so I do not feel bad about my next post.

I just found out, after laughing about the joke of a 33 pedal with some people......I am sure everyone knows by now that Mike Fortin ripped off TC Electronics by making the 33 right? That is the story, I am no engineer but apparently the difference is he eliminated the eq ranges.

So yeah the stories check out. The guy is basically a theif and then on top of that he overprices and overhypes his products. Zach Khoury is actually the PERFECT employee for this guy. lol.


Anyway back on topic. Someone started making 33 clones for like $100. I just found out that Mike Fortin had his attorney go after said pedal maker. Isn't that fucking rich. Someone cloned your clone and you get butthurt?

Pfftt.. Fuck Fortin.

Wow. It just keeps coming. More bullshit copies. Really sad....not much out there worse than a cheat and a liar, when it comes to business. Sad sad sad.

Oh, and did you see the 'shiny object' distraction the 'shill' threw out there? Concerning Steve K? I'm assuming Steve put cash down on a Larry build, and now that Steve has passed....Larry will have to refund the down payment. But "Engage" decides to distract the thread by 'accusing' without really stating anything specific, that Larry is somehow 'ripping off' Steve's widow. Nice classy move there. POS.

Maybe Fartin should sell the Dino he bought to reverse engineer and rip Larry off with and donate the money to Steve's widow ? At least that would have SOME class...

 

[technomancer]

Larry does the girth/grind control use a dual ganged pot like the Satan amp?

No, neither the Fortin NATAS, nor the Randall Satan use dual ganged pots for their of my circuits pilfered (and then different named) Bite & Punch circuit.
The only amp using a dual ganged pot for the LF gain is the Randall Thrasher, from where btw also the from technomancer posted photo originates.

Not only the NATAS and the Satan, but also the Thrasher isn't using - even not partially - anything of or completely the asserted Garnet circuit.

It's obvious now, that this only has been a pityful defensive lie !

My bad then, I'm out

 

[RedB4Black]

So damn...Ok i dont ALWAYS talk shit on people, usually just to those who have done me wrong but I really don't like the thievery and the way they do things so I do not feel bad about my next post.

I just found out, after laughing about the joke of a 33 pedal with some people......I am sure everyone knows by now that Mike Fortin ripped off TC Electronics by making the 33 right? That is the story, I am no engineer but apparently the difference is he eliminated the eq ranges.

So yeah the stories check out. The guy is basically a theif and then on top of that he overprices and overhypes his products. Zach Khoury is actually the PERFECT employee for this guy. lol.


Anyway back on topic. Someone started making 33 clones for like $100. I just found out that Mike Fortin had his attorney go after said pedal maker. Isn't that fucking rich. Someone cloned your clone and you get butthurt?

Pfftt.. Fuck Fortin.

Wow. It just keeps coming. More bullshit copies. Really sad....not much out there worse than a cheat and a liar, when it comes to business. Sad sad sad.

Oh, and did you see the 'shiny object' distraction the 'shill' threw out there? Concerning Steve K? I'm assuming Steve put cash down on a Larry build, and now that Steve has passed....Larry will have to refund the down payment. But "Engage" decides to distract the thread by 'accusing' without really stating anything specific, that Larry is somehow 'ripping off' Steve's widow. Nice classy move there. POS.

He's referring to Steve's post on TGP (#65 in linked thread) in Aug. 2018. Larry responded there as well.

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index ... t-26976847

At least with Mike, you get your amp. Larry, not so much. He's like the soup Nazi of amps. Sent him a $2000 deposit 5 or 6 years ago. He said 18 months for a Dino build. At the end of a year, I started checking. He had more excuses than Kellogg's has Cornflakes. Lied on the build status and tried to offer me his personal one instead. All disturbing signs. After a another year I told him to stick it up his a**, keep the deposit and do whatever he does. Deposit was wired so I couldn't collect. Never heard from him again.

 

[maddnotez]

Oh, and did you see the 'shiny object' distraction the 'shill' threw out there?

I did, I'm guessing everyone did but I did not want to comment on that out of respect. I didn't know him and I don't know the story. If Larry owed him money then yes he should pay up but that is completely irrelevant to the topic.

 

[novosibir]

I did, I'm guessing everyone did but I did not want to comment on that out of respect. I didn't know him and I don't know the story. If Larry owed him money then yes he should pay up but that is completely irrelevant to the topic.

Can someone shed some light on this?

Who is "boogiedepot" over there at TGP ?

By any means it couldn't be Steve K or in his order, since what he wrote there is free pulled out of someones fingers.

And when did Steve K pass away? Is there a thread here or on TGP ?

 

[lester]

It's pretty simple - did you, or did you not take 2000 dollars from Steve King?

 

[novosibir]

It's pretty simple - did you, or did you not take 2000 dollars from Steve King?

Not everything is as simple as it seems at first sight.
This is not the place, to discuss my business internals with non relatives.

 

[hstlaurent]

I did, I'm guessing everyone did but I did not want to comment on that out of respect. I didn't know him and I don't know the story. If Larry owed him money then yes he should pay up but that is completely irrelevant to the topic.

Can someone shed some light on this?

Who is "boogiedepot" over there at TGP ?

By any means it couldn't be Steve K or in his order, since what he wrote there is free pulled out of someones fingers.

And when did Steve K pass away? Is there a thread here or on TGP ?

He passed last year, there’s a big thread about it here. I’ll pm it to you.