VHT/Fryette amps - best high gain tones....ever?

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If you haven't tried a Dr.Z Caz-45 you really should. It's a great amp with a ton of tone in it. Everything from low to high gain, it's all there. It was designed by Dr.Z and Alan Phllips (Carol Ann Amps). They went back and forth, and came up with this Beast of an Amp.
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That's interesting about the MCI and boosts. The 2016 MTL I had wasn't the greatest with boosts either, but wasn't horrible. Every other model I've owned took boosts really really well...I'd say better than any other amp I've owned. Especially the MCII which absorbs boosts like they're part of the circuit IMHO. The KT150 I have now absolutely loves boosts regardless of ch or whether onboard pull boost is engaged or not.
For me, if a boost pedal 'narrows' the tone I don't like it...that's why my OD1X is my go to because it leaves the amp sounding just as 'big and wide' as without the boost. The 2012 MTL I had, any boost I used made the amp sound 'smaller' than without the boost. 2010 MCI, same unless I left the pull boost off...then it was perfect.
Sounds like Rick might have changed something about those amps post 2012.
 
Hmmm….I didn’t know Wizards need cranked to get the goods, never tried it. Is there some secret handshake I don’t know to get this kind of info? 😆

Seriously though, I think people mistake the UL for a high gain metal amp. Its a much better mid gain fusion amp imo. The second channel is where it was at for me. And I used a TS-9 with it. Had to sell mine to fund the MC1 figuring I would pick up another down the road. Too expensive now. Like everything is…
I think this is a repeated theme with Wizards and SLOs...have to crank to get the goods...in reality, of course they sound their best at paint peeling volumes but I found both SLOs and Wizards to have great tones at lower volumes as well.
But the majority of people that own them don't agree, it seems..at least when a Wizard/SLO thread gets going.
 
For me, if a boost pedal 'narrows' the tone I don't like it...that's why my OD1X is my go to because it leaves the amp sounding just as 'big and wide' as without the boost. The 2012 MTL I had, any boost I used made the amp sound 'smaller' than without the boost. 2010 MCI, same unless I left the pull boost off...then it was perfect.
Sounds like Rick might have changed something about those amps post 2012.

He tweaks thinks from time to time. I know things got a big overhaul in 2016.
 
I think this is a repeated theme with Wizards and SLOs...have to crank to get the goods...in reality, of course they sound their best at paint peeling volumes but I found both SLOs and Wizards to have great tones at lower volumes as well.
But the majority of people that own them don't agree, it seems..at least when a Wizard/SLO thread gets going.

They do perfectly fine at lower volumes, but when you turn it up a little (not ear shattering) they come alive, IMO
 
For me, if a boost pedal 'narrows' the tone I don't like it...that's why my OD1X is my go to because it leaves the amp sounding just as 'big and wide' as without the boost. The 2012 MTL I had, any boost I used made the amp sound 'smaller' than without the boost. 2010 MCI, same unless I left the pull boost off...then it was perfect.
Sounds like Rick might have changed something about those amps post 2012.

If you're talking about boost pedals with their own clipping components then yeah I agree. I boost almost everything but it's always with totally clean boosts that allow me to shape the EQ as well. That way I'm still getting 100% amp distortion that retains its overall bandwidth and wideness.
 
For me, if a boost pedal 'narrows' the tone I don't like it...that's why my OD1X is my go to because it leaves the amp sounding just as 'big and wide' as without the boost. The 2012 MTL I had, any boost I used made the amp sound 'smaller' than without the boost. 2010 MCI, same unless I left the pull boost off...then it was perfect.
Sounds like Rick might have changed something about those amps post 2012.
Very fair point. We do like different results from boosting. I prefer the narrowing effect to an extent and why I boost in the first place. It's not so much about adding gain for me, but focusing/tightening/narrowing the response, in addition to adding saturation/compression when desired. Other thing is I'm 100% of the time using an MXR 10 band or TC1140 in the loop, so even when boosting, I'm getting a huge/wide freq response because of the way I set things up. So it winds up ultra tight/focused but still wide/girthy.

I still feel the the MCII just sounds insanely natural with various boosts whereas the 2016 MTL I had did not...felt/sounded like a pedal out front as opposed to as if it were part of the amp.
 
I’d like to put it this way; neither VHT or Wizard have appeared on any albums that ended up as reference level tonal benchmarks that anyone is seeking. Many great amps don’t. That said, I think there are likely vastly more VHTs out there than Wizards yet I’ve come across far more good sounding Wizard clips by average Joes than that of VHT. That says a lot.
 
I always hear people talk more fondly about the D60 than the D120. In almost every other case, the higher wattage amp is more highly praised. What's so much worse about the D120 that its higher wattage doesn't even make up for?
its not worse IMO. just different. the 60 is a little more marshally/soldano-ish; and the 120 is huge, with a massive low end like a recto, (but tight) and just broader in the frequency range. also so loud, it's hard to use it to its potential. at least it was to me.
 
Why are we comparing VHT/Fryette with Wizard? They're Different tones. The only thing they have in common is clarity IMO. They both have a lot of clarity to them, and an unforgiving nature. On the other hand the IIC+ has a lot of clarity as well, but I wouldn't call it unforgiving with it's feel, the tones come out of that amp effortlessly with it's own signature voice. Which is why I put the IIC+ on top of the pile.
 
They do perfectly fine at lower volumes, but when you turn it up a little (not ear shattering) they come alive, IMO
I hear that between 4 - 6 is the sweet spot on the SLO. master volume. That seems like ear shattering volume.
 
For me, if a boost pedal 'narrows' the tone I don't like it...that's why my OD1X is my go to because it leaves the amp sounding just as 'big and wide' as without the boost. The 2012 MTL I had, any boost I used made the amp sound 'smaller' than without the boost. 2010 MCI, same unless I left the pull boost off...then it was perfect.
Sounds like Rick might have changed something about those amps post 2012.
Have you tried a Maxon od808? it leaves the tone pretty fat IMO... well it does notch out a little low end a little, but every good boost does that to tighten the lows.
 
Have you tried a Maxon od808? it leaves the tone pretty fat IMO... well it does notch out a little low end a little, but every good boost does that to tighten the lows.

Or Duncan 805 or similar boost with a 3 band eq. Tightens but allows you to fill the low freqs back.
 
Why are we comparing VHT/Fryette with Wizard? They're Different tones. The only thing they have in common is clarity IMO. They both have a lot of clarity to them, and an unforgiving nature. On the other hand the IIC+ has a lot of clarity as well, but I wouldn't call it unforgiving with it's feel, the tones come out of that amp effortlessly with it's own signature voice. Which is why I put the IIC+ on top of the pile.
Yeah the iic+ is a top 5-er for me. I think some other aspects the Wizard’s & VHT’s have in common less compression & saturation than other amps and a more smooth/hollow/less character & growl thing in the midrange (I don’t like that aspect), but I didn’t really think of them as being in the same camp until some here on RT mentioned it
 
I’d like to put it this way; neither VHT or Wizard have appeared on any albums that ended up as reference level tonal benchmarks that anyone is seeking. Many great amps don’t. That said, I think there are likely vastly more VHTs out there than Wizards yet I’ve come across far more good sounding Wizard clips by average Joes than that of VHT. That says a lot.
I wish I had the recording rig I have now with my old UL.
 
Why are we comparing VHT/Fryette with Wizard? They're Different tones. The only thing they have in common is clarity IMO. They both have a lot of clarity to them, and an unforgiving nature. On the other hand the IIC+ has a lot of clarity as well, but I wouldn't call it unforgiving with it's feel, the tones come out of that amp effortlessly with it's own signature voice. Which is why I put the IIC+ on top of the pile.
Yeah I don’t get it either. Miles apart tone and feel. The Mesa IIC+ I had…yeah couldn’t get rid of that amp fast enough….though I should have held onto it and sold it nowadays.
 
The lesson here is don't be announcing amps you like because there are only a handful of amps out there that are the best in the world and will be mentioned here like a broken record 🤣
Which is pretty much what has happened! Lol
 
Have you tried a Maxon od808? it leaves the tone pretty fat IMO... well it does notch out a little low end a little, but every good boost does that to tighten the lows.
I have; its good...really good with the Rectos, but I still prefer where the mids are in the OD1X. The 805 I have not tried. Every time I try a new boost, it just sits after I try it lol...I always go back to the OD1x.
 
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