Well thanks for nothing, this fucking sucks.

[Anonymous]

So, no one wants to discuss the Axe-Fx here? I know its not the best topic/thread, but we can salvage it by talking gear?

Who dislikes the Axe-Fx and why?

What are some issues with Ed Roman guitars?

I'm real happy with both.

I love my Axe-FX. I think most here who have one or have played one love theirs as well.

Some people feel Ed Roman overcharges for sub-par instruments, takes credit for others' work, etc. He build me a really cool guitar, well built great playing/sounding of my design and then went on to make it a line of guitars without ever asking me if it was cool to use my design. Frankly, I wouldn't have cared anyway, but I feel he should have given me the courtesy of asking. He was also very difficult to deal with over the LONG period it took to get the guitar done. He was always rude when I called (infrequently) to ask about progress, never could give me any idea of when it would be done and generally acted like he was doing ME a favor by talking to me and taking on a project I paid him large cash up front for. No customer service, however, I've found this to be the case with every custom guitar builder I've dealt with except for Lee Garver and Michael Charvel. YMMV...

Hey... gear discussion. Bitchin'! How 'bout we all get back to it?

Steve

 

[Zachman]

He wants to appear superior, and by exposing his BS I am not tolerating his crap, and forcing his delusion to an end--Then the REAL Carl re-appears, as you knew he would.

3 disagree??? OMG, You NEED to learn to count bro.

Bob Savage, Tweed, Gainzilla, Gainfreak, Zachman, Lord Tone King, Danyeo, Digital Jams, Juggernaut, sandman31774, riffy, King Crimson, headlessdeadguy-- THAT is a bit more than 3 and I didn't try that hard.... There are a LOT more

So are you going to bid on it and run it the way you see fit? Please do!

Brah, don't be smug... Who are you trying to kid? Do you (hind sight being 20/20), still think stirring things up was a GREAT plan? pfft

My Great Grandmother used to say, "Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it", and she was right and YOU proved it.

 

[ctoddrun]

Umm...

Bill Cosby just called.

He wants his sweater back.

 

[White_Van]

So, no one wants to discuss the Axe-Fx here? I know its not the best topic/thread, but we can salvage it by talking gear?

Who dislikes the Axe-Fx and why?

What are some issues with Ed Roman guitars?

I'm real happy with both.

I love my Axe-FX. I think most here who have one or have played one love theirs as well.

Some people feel Ed Roman overcharges for sub-par instruments, takes credit for others' work, etc. He build me a really cool guitar, well built great playing/sounding of my design and then went on to make it a line of guitars without ever asking me if it was cool to use my design. Frankly, I wouldn't have cared anyway, but I feel he should have given me the courtesy of asking. He was also very difficult to deal with over the LONG period it took to get the guitar done. He was always rude when I called (infrequently) to ask about progress, never could give me any idea of when it would be done and generally acted like he was doing ME a favor by talking to me and taking on a project I paid him large cash up front for. No customer service, however, I've found this to be the case with every custom guitar builder I've dealt with except for Lee Garver and Michael Charvel. YMMV...

Hey... gear discussion. Bitchin'! How 'bout we all get back to it?

Steve

How dare you talk about Guitar Gear at a time like this!

Downright despicable.

Oh, and I have bad Axe gas. Really bad Axe Gas. I'm waiting to see what their VSTs look like though before making any kind of drastic gear change.

 

[White_Van]

He wants to appear superior, and by exposing his BS I am not tolerating his crap, and forcing his delusion to an end--Then the REAL Carl re-appears, as you knew he would.

3 disagree??? OMG, You NEED to learn to count bro.

Bob Savage, Tweed, Gainzilla, Gainfreak, Zachman, Lord Tone King, Danyeo, Digital Jams, Juggernaut, sandman31774, riffy, King Crimson, headlessdeadguy-- THAT is a bit more than 3 and I didn't try that hard.... There are a LOT more

So are you going to bid on it and run it the way you see fit? Please do!

Brah, don't be smug... Who are you trying to kid? Do you (hind sight being 20/20), still think stirring things up was a GREAT plan? pfft

My Great Grandmother used to say, "Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it", and she was right and YOU proved it.

Dude, we get it, it was a bad idea, you don't agree with it, Carl sucks, Thump fucked up, you hate this bullshit, the site is dead now, your panties are twisted, this drama gave you a headache, you're pmsing...

Let it go already.

 

[Shiny_Surface]

He wants to appear superior, and by exposing his BS I am not tolerating his crap, and forcing his delusion to an end--Then the REAL Carl re-appears, as you knew he would.

3 disagree??? OMG, You NEED to learn to count bro.

Bob Savage, Tweed, Gainzilla, Gainfreak, Zachman, Lord Tone King, Danyeo, Digital Jams, Juggernaut, sandman31774, riffy, King Crimson, headlessdeadguy-- THAT is a bit more than 3 and I didn't try that hard.... There are a LOT more

Doesn't matter, except for the two people that run the forum.

 

[Meathead]

He wants to appear superior, and by exposing his BS I am not tolerating his crap, and forcing his delusion to an end--Then the REAL Carl re-appears, as you knew he would.

Why did we want the 'real' Carl to appear?
I preferred the trying-to-get-along-and just-talk-about-gear Carl that he began as.

 

[Anonymous]

Bottom line is.....its done...over....Carls gone and life goes on.
I just want to thank Bob and Chris for getting this place up and running in the first place.....I just hope it continues.
Thanks guys.

MY hero! Can we drop this now, guys? It is so beyond irrelevant now...

1.) Carl is gone. Kage is gone. Everyone else who wanted to leave because of Carl is gone. I'm sure any of them (except Carl) can come back if they want to (either under a new owner or right now).
2.) Bob and Chris will not be moderators/owners soon. Berating them (or just Chris really) is
3.) Chris knows how all the folks who had a problem with Carl feel about him letting Carl back

How is continuing to go on about it having any positive affect?

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

Just how are you not "tolerating" it? Bickering back and forth with him and making things worse than they need to be is your idea of not "tolerating" it?

But yeah, I'm told 3,995 Rig-Talk members disagree with me. So far, I can only count around 3 (but I admit that confirming my opinion with others isn't at the top of my priority list.)

You're playing right into what he wants.

He wants to appear superior, and by exposing his BS I am not tolerating his crap, and forcing his delusion to an end--Then the REAL Carl re-appears, as you knew he would.

3 disagree??? OMG, You NEED to learn to count bro.

Bob Savage, Tweed, Gainzilla, Gainfreak, Zachman, Lord Tone King, Danyeo, Digital Jams, Juggernaut, sandman31774, riffy, King Crimson, headlessdeadguy-- THAT is a bit more than 3 and I didn't try that hard.... There are a LOT more

That said it was and IS still Chris' and Bob's prerogative to make any decision. And that is what I get bothered by. I'm surprised it took 6 weeks for all that shit to happen.
But the idea that an admin HAS TO react to what bothers some on is strange to me.

+1

This was never a democracy. I don't understand why people behave like it is/was...

Steve

 

[King Crimson]

Doesn't matter, except for the two people that run the forum.

I just emailed Barack and Borat - maybe they can "change" things up for the better...

 

[ejecta]

Dude, we get it, it was a bad idea, you don't agree with it, Carl sucks, Thump fucked up, you hate this bullshit, the site is dead now, your panties are twisted, this drama gave you a headache, you're pmsing...

Let it go already.

Exactly! Move the fuck on dude. If you want to bitch about Carl there is a site made just for that and there link to it in this thread. I suggest you go there and post till your figers bleed so that you make sure Carl doent get away with anything.

 

[Anonymous]

...but fortunately for me, I don't have to tolerate his kind of BS, nor should I OR anyone else be expected to...

Just how are you not "tolerating" it? Bickering back and forth with him and making things worse than they need to be is your idea of not "tolerating" it?

But yeah, I'm told 3,995 Rig-Talk members disagree with me. So far, I can only count around 3 (but I admit that confirming my opinion with others isn't at the top of my priority list.)

You're playing right into what he wants.

He wants to appear superior, and by exposing his BS I am not tolerating his crap, and forcing his delusion to an end--Then the REAL Carl re-appears, as you knew he would.

3 disagree??? OMG, You NEED to learn to count bro.

Bob Savage, Tweed, Gainzilla, Gainfreak, Zachman, Lord Tone King, Danyeo, Digital Jams, Juggernaut, sandman31774, riffy, King Crimson, headlessdeadguy-- THAT is a bit more than 3 and I didn't try that hard.... There are a LOT more

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I think I've about covered your last 100 and next 100 posts. Can you stop now, please?

Steve

 

[White_Van]

Dude, we get it, it was a bad idea, you don't agree with it, Carl sucks, Thump fucked up, you hate this bullshit, the site is dead now, your panties are twisted, this drama gave you a headache, you're pmsing...

Let it go already.

Exactly! Move the fuck on dude. If you want to bitch about Carl there is a site made just for that and there link to it in this thread. I suggest you go there and post till your figers bleed so that you make sure Carl doent get away with anything.

Yup. This really can't be said enough. Bitching after the fact doesn't change anything, just makes you look like a jerk with an extreme case of sour grapes.

 

[Zachman]

He wants to appear superior, and by exposing his BS I am not tolerating his crap, and forcing his delusion to an end--Then the REAL Carl re-appears, as you knew he would.

Why did we want the 'real' Carl to appear?
I preferred the trying-to-get-along-and just-talk-about-gear Carl that he began as.

Because it made the inevitable happen sooner rather than later, and now we can go on without the headache that is Carl.

 

[Gitfiddler]

So, no one wants to discuss the Axe-Fx here? I know its not the best topic/thread, but we can salvage it by talking gear?

Who dislikes the Axe-Fx and why?

What are some issues with Ed Roman guitars?

I'm real happy with both.

I love my Axe-FX. I think most here who have one or have played one love theirs as well.

Some people feel Ed Roman overcharges for sub-par instruments, takes credit for others' work, etc. He build me a really cool guitar, well built great playing/sounding of my design and then went on to make it a line of guitars without ever asking me if it was cool to use my design. Frankly, I wouldn't have cared anyway, but I feel he should have given me the courtesy of asking. He was also very difficult to deal with over the LONG period it took to get the guitar done. He was always rude when I called (infrequently) to ask about progress, never could give me any idea of when it would be done and generally acted like he was doing ME a favor by talking to me and taking on a project I paid him large cash up front for. No customer service, however, I've found this to be the case with every custom guitar builder I've dealt with except for Lee Garver and Michael Charvel. YMMV...

Hey... gear discussion. Bitchin'! How 'bout we all get back to it?

Steve

will you post a pic of the guitar ed built for you?

I remember when he first started building quicksilvers. I drove up to his place in CT pretty convinced that a quicksilver would be my next guitar. Ed was rude on the phone, but when i got to his place (huge old recording studio) he was actually pretty cool. He continued to yell at his wife and hammer customers over the phone while i was there, but he took the time to show me different builders' guitars and consistently shit on ibanez and esp . He left me alone in a back room for a while and came back to tell me that i needed to "turn up the amp" if I was going to play his guitars. I didn't like the quicksilver as much as the many prs guitars he had. I preferred his bc rich eagles to all of the above.

 

[Scott Ians Beard]

Ive been away for a few days, something has obviously really blown up. The last I read it looked like there burying the hatchet thread. Ill have to catch up later, but its really sad that its come to this...

However, selling RT is not cool in my book. I realise that Bob, Chris and even Mitch put in time to set up the board and run it and should get something out of this, but at the end of the day many of us put up money to pay for hosting and upkeep. I cant remember how much I put in (and I dont want it back), but selling it destroys the goodwill we put in. I also feel we should have at least a bit of a say in the matter?

Furthermore, who knows who is going to buy this. We have personal data in this board, at the very least working email addresses, which people pay top dollar for. For all we know we are about to be bought for our emails and get spammed to high heaven.

 

[Anonymous]

He wants to appear superior, and by exposing his BS I am not tolerating his crap, and forcing his delusion to an end--Then the REAL Carl re-appears, as you knew he would.

Why did we want the 'real' Carl to appear?
I preferred the trying-to-get-along-and just-talk-about-gear Carl that he began as.

Because it made the inevitable happen sooner rather than later, and now we can go on without the headache that is Carl.

Unfortunately we now have to deal with the headache that is you.

Unless you wanna drop the drama and go back to fun discussions about gear and stuff, which you provide great insight into and are a valued contributor...

Steve

 

[Zachman]

3 disagree??? OMG, You NEED to learn to count bro.

Bob Savage, Tweed, Gainzilla, Gainfreak, Zachman, Lord Tone King, Danyeo, Digital Jams, Juggernaut, sandman31774, riffy, King Crimson, headlessdeadguy-- THAT is a bit more than 3 and I didn't try that hard.... There are a LOT more

blahblahblahblahblahbaddyblahbblahbblahendlesslyrepeatingthesameshitoverandoverwhenitisnowirrelevantblahblahblahblahblahbaddyblahbblahbblahpleaseallowmetorepeateverythingi'vealreadysaid3trilliontimesblahblahblahblahblahbaddyblahbblahbblahblahblahblahblahblahbaddyblahbblahbblahblahblahblahblahblahbaddyblahbblahbblahblahblahblahblahblahbaddyblahbblahbblahblahblahblahblahblahbaddyblahbblahbblahrehashrehashrehashrehashsomemoreblahblahblahblahblahbaddyblahbblahbblahcarlsuckescarlsuckscarlsucksblahblahblahblahblahbaddyblahbblahbblahchrissuckschrissuckschrissucksblahblahblahblahblahbaddyblahbblahbblahblahblahblahblahblahbaddyblahbblahbblahblahblahblahblahblahbaddyblahbblahbblahblahblahblahblahblahbaddyblahbblahbblah

I think I've about covered your last 100 and next 100 posts. Can you stop now, please?

Steve

Steve,

I am only responding to guys who apparently feel the need to discuss it. So, there really is no need to be rude, I believe I've always treated you w/ respect both on the forum and in person.

 

[Zachman]

Unfortunately we now have to deal with the headache that is you.

Unless you wanna drop the drama and go back to fun discussions about gear and stuff, which you provide great insight into and are a valued contributor...

Steve

No need to deal with me, your answer was to ignore Carl, surely you can ignore me... Right?

 

[Anonymous]

So, no one wants to discuss the Axe-Fx here? I know its not the best topic/thread, but we can salvage it by talking gear?

Who dislikes the Axe-Fx and why?

What are some issues with Ed Roman guitars?

I'm real happy with both.

I love my Axe-FX. I think most here who have one or have played one love theirs as well.

Some people feel Ed Roman overcharges for sub-par instruments, takes credit for others' work, etc. He build me a really cool guitar, well built great playing/sounding of my design and then went on to make it a line of guitars without ever asking me if it was cool to use my design. Frankly, I wouldn't have cared anyway, but I feel he should have given me the courtesy of asking. He was also very difficult to deal with over the LONG period it took to get the guitar done. He was always rude when I called (infrequently) to ask about progress, never could give me any idea of when it would be done and generally acted like he was doing ME a favor by talking to me and taking on a project I paid him large cash up front for. No customer service, however, I've found this to be the case with every custom guitar builder I've dealt with except for Lee Garver and Michael Charvel. YMMV...

Hey... gear discussion. Bitchin'! How 'bout we all get back to it?

Steve

will you post a pic of the guitar ed built for you?

Sure - I'll go find one. Sold the guitar long ago though...

Steve