Jaymz82
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Unfortunately the manual doesn't say anything about the pin assignment.
As Olaf already mentioned. Check out those two midi boards:
http://nobels.com/cgi-bin/products/show.pl?e_mf-1
http://nobels.com/cgi-bin/products/show.pl?e_mf-2
They'll work without any modification and offer the same, if not more features.
As Olaf already mentioned. Check out those two midi boards:
http://nobels.com/cgi-bin/products/show.pl?e_mf-1
http://nobels.com/cgi-bin/products/show.pl?e_mf-2
They'll work without any modification and offer the same, if not more features.
diezel&gas
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yes thanx i knew them too.
i tought the mf2 could be a looper too but it doesn't.it has 4 relays for 4 expression pedals instead
by the way, what about with those nobels? they work on phantom power too, ok.
so, using them, which are the mods to do on the midi cable in order to use it on the herbert??
herbert's pins are :
MIDI In
Midi in receives “program change” orders from commonly available midi pedals
and control systems. The Herbert is able to supply phantom power to your midi
pedal via a 7-prong DIN midi cable. This can help unclutter your stage system
and rids the artist of these pesky power supplies.
Pin 1 and 6 is ground (-)
Pin 3 and 7 is hot (+)
The voltage is 9-12V AC or DC, which is acceptable for 98% of all midi pedals.
Maximum power usage of the pedal cannot exceed 800mA (0.8A)
Please observe proper polarity to avoid damage to the MIDI pedal.
nobels mf1:
5 USING PHANTOM POWER
5.1 To receiving power from another device:
5.2 Simply connect a standard 5 pole MIDI cable from the unit which supplies the
voltage to the MIDI OUT jack (5) of the MF-1.
5.3 Switching the POWER switch (8) of the MF-1 to the "Phan." position.
5.4 To deliever power to another device:
5.5 Connect a standard 5 pole MIDI cable from the MIDI IN jack (6) of the MF-1 to the
MIDI OUT jack of the unit which can use the voltage.
Make sure that the phantom power has extra current (350mA) for the extra unit!
i tought the mf2 could be a looper too but it doesn't.it has 4 relays for 4 expression pedals instead
by the way, what about with those nobels? they work on phantom power too, ok.
so, using them, which are the mods to do on the midi cable in order to use it on the herbert??
herbert's pins are :
MIDI In
Midi in receives “program change” orders from commonly available midi pedals
and control systems. The Herbert is able to supply phantom power to your midi
pedal via a 7-prong DIN midi cable. This can help unclutter your stage system
and rids the artist of these pesky power supplies.
Pin 1 and 6 is ground (-)
Pin 3 and 7 is hot (+)
The voltage is 9-12V AC or DC, which is acceptable for 98% of all midi pedals.
Maximum power usage of the pedal cannot exceed 800mA (0.8A)
Please observe proper polarity to avoid damage to the MIDI pedal.
nobels mf1:
5 USING PHANTOM POWER
5.1 To receiving power from another device:
5.2 Simply connect a standard 5 pole MIDI cable from the unit which supplies the
voltage to the MIDI OUT jack (5) of the MF-1.
5.3 Switching the POWER switch (8) of the MF-1 to the "Phan." position.
5.4 To deliever power to another device:
5.5 Connect a standard 5 pole MIDI cable from the MIDI IN jack (6) of the MF-1 to the
MIDI OUT jack of the unit which can use the voltage.
Make sure that the phantom power has extra current (350mA) for the extra unit!
Jaymz82
New member
The Nobels units work right out of the box. No modification needed.
diezel&gas
Member
i'm confused cause the herbert manual say i need a 7 pin midi cable where 1 and 6 are ground...
i don't want to get a shock hazard with a 5 pin and ground pins fucked up or missing
i don't want to get a shock hazard with a 5 pin and ground pins fucked up or missing
Jaymz82
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The manual just says that you can either use a 5 oder 7 pin midi cable, because pins 1, 3, 6 and 7 are used for power supply. Using the MF1 with a 5-pin cable will work absolutely fine. Just make sure all 5 pins a wired. Often only 3 are wired and than phantom power won't work. I use the cheap Thomann midi cables. They have all pins connected. The more expensive one I ordered once didn't.
scottph
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Tick, Tack, Tick, Tack... 
J/K dude...maybe...
J/K dude...maybe...
diezel&gas
Member
fran tic tic tac!
i'm not into midi things that much...so if i'm gioing to buy a rocktron midi mate...i need to know what to do just to make it work and not to damage anything
i'm not into midi things that much...so if i'm gioing to buy a rocktron midi mate...i need to know what to do just to make it work and not to damage anything
frantic77
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i use an old Proel Ms-16 and works great to me
i paid 80 euro for it (used one)
i paid 80 euro for it (used one)
Jaymz82
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diezel&gas":27xqam4a said:fran tic tic tac!
i'm not into midi things that much...so if i'm gioing to buy a rocktron midi mate...i need to know what to do just to make it work and not to damage anything
Why are you the focused on the midimate? As far as I remember you don't need all those extra feature like expression pedals and stuff. The Nobels MF1 costs only about 60 or 70€ used and will work right out of the box with your Herbert. No worrying or anything.
ajharris1215
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diezel&gas":190vnfri said:fran tic tic tac!
i'm not into midi things that much...so if i'm gioing to buy a rocktron midi mate...i need to know what to do just to make it work and not to damage anything
VooDoo Labs' Ground Control Pro also works w/ phantom power right out of the box...
frantic77
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ground control pro costs way too much here in the EU
around 700euro in Italy
around 700euro in Italy
ajharris1215
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frantic77":7c2uu1op said:
only $400 here in the states...
diezel&gas
Member
frantic77":1rhz59nv said:
bella frantic! dai aiutami tu! mi piace molto la rocktron, pero' pare che abbia i pin interni sballati per funzionare con l'herbert.... la nobels sara' ok ma di estetica mi fa ribrezzo con quei colori e costa come la rocktron....
purtroppo non ne capisco molto di elettrotecnica....altrimenti avrei gia' risolto
diezel&gas
Member
Jaymz82":3quqpwl6 said:diezel&gas":3quqpwl6 said:fran tic tic tac!
i'm not into midi things that much...so if i'm gioing to buy a rocktron midi mate...i need to know what to do just to make it work and not to damage anything
Why are you the focused on the midimate? As far as I remember you don't need all those extra feature like expression pedals and stuff. The Nobels MF1 costs only about 60 or 70€ used and will work right out of the box with your Herbert. No worrying or anything.
i'm thinking to buy brand new not used. i prefer the midi mate.
i wrote the Rocktron tech support to know more but they didin't answer 100% my questions..
i wanted to know which are the pins assignement on the midi mate...but i still haven't got an answer.
they wrote me: If you set it for 9VAC not DC it will be fine no polarity needs to be specified or changed.
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Our external supply also is AC not DC. Set the phantom power to 9V AC not DC and it should work.
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that's strange to me....the pins polarity have to be respected in my opinion...doesn't matter the kind of current settings AC or DC, that's another point...
there is this too
http://www.tech21nyc.com/midimoose.html
frantic77
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diezel&gas":32fa7k1l said:frantic77":32fa7k1l said:
bella frantic! dai aiutami tu! mi piace molto la rocktron, pero' pare che abbia i pin interni sballati per funzionare con l'herbert.... la nobels sara' ok ma di estetica mi fa ribrezzo con quei colori e costa come la rocktron....
purtroppo non ne capisco molto di elettrotecnica....altrimenti avrei gia' risolto
email sent!
diezel&gas
Member
which 5 pin midi cable should i get? i see the midi in of the herbert supports small pins..not the common big rounded 5 pins... i don't know its technical name
Jaymz82
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I use those: https://www.thomann.de/de/the_sssnake_pm ... ikabel.htm
Cheap but all five pins a connected and it works really well.
Cheap but all five pins a connected and it works really well.
diezel&gas
Member
ok, but you stick it on the herbert's midi in or midi footswitch?
the midi in of the amp is a Dim pin IN, different from the pins of a midi cable for what i can see from pictures.
the midi in of the amp is a Dim pin IN, different from the pins of a midi cable for what i can see from pictures.
Jaymz82
New member
You use it with the Herbert's midi in. The XLR in can only be used with the columbus.