Do you think that God actually exists?

[BOOGIE444]

Free will – fuck that. Ignorance and complete disregard for humanity, recklessness and stupidity, yes! Not freewill but what I just said.

With over a trillion stars and countless planets in our galaxy, how a rational intelligent human being not ponder or at the very least realize that there are other forms of life out there. Whatever they may be.

Think about it – it takes us years to send probes to Mars. And that's not even close to the thousands of light-years that it would take us to even get close to the outer radius of our own galaxy. We could never no matter what it takes to actually explore these vast distances.

There are billions and trillions of galaxies of planetary solar systems out there in our single Universe. Most, if not all reputable current astrophysicist believe that there are an infinite number of Universes that exist.

Do you honestly believe that some 60's dope head looking white guy with a head draped with rose thorns magically created all this bullshit?

I dont understand all your anger at God, especially considering he loves us all. But I do find the idea of something coming from nothing more of a fairy tale than God's existence. Do you really feel that life, earth, and the whole universe's complex harmony really just happened by chance?
Think…

 

[MOAAH]

Are you saying truth is subjective?

Why yes, yes it is! And so is tone, think I'll go play some guitar now

 

[ejecta]

I dont believe Jesus ever existed. He's a fictional character in a pagan religion made popular by the Roman Empire to control the masses.

Yah, imagine how those guys even convinced the world to base its calender on such a myth! They even gave Josephus, the most famous of all Jewish historians, a bribe to write about him...LOL.

Josephus is cited by Christians all the time as their one source that Jesus possibly existed. And even that is disputed to this day.

Yeah but then you'd have to ignore the writings of Tacitus, Thallus, Suetonius, Lucian, Celsus, Pliny the Younger, Jewish writings like the Talmud Sanhedrin etc.

 

[ejecta]

Are you saying truth is subjective?

Why yes, yes it is! And so is tone, think I'll go play some guitar now

So there is no absolute truth then huh?

 

[MOAAH]

Are you saying truth is subjective?

Why yes, yes it is! And so is tone, think I'll go play some guitar now

So there is no absolute truth then huh?

Well I've just enough time well them tubes warm up to post this...

In the end there can only be one truth, but in the mean time, people will believe what they wanna believe and that's OK.

I appreciate your post on this "Yeah but then you'd have to ignore the writings of Tacitus, Thallus, Suetonius, Lucian, Celsus, Pliny the Younger, Jewish writings like the Talmud Sanhedrin etc."

Dang if I can't find one O my fav references, "The History of the Jews." One of the pleasures of gettin' old, you can't find anything when ya need it...

Rock on,
Rob

 

[Gainfreak]

Yes but no one can say with 100% absolute certainty what happened hundreds/thousands of years ago Unless they had a time machine and went back to the time in question and experianced it for themselves. IMHO your TRUTH is nothing more then a theory and you cannot give me concrete proof of what you are saying to be true no matter how much research you have done.

Are you saying truth is subjective?

Im saying that no one really knows the truth when it comes to this subject

 

[Gainfreak]

'And yet, here we are, thousands of years after the birth of Christ, still talking about him...believers and non-believers alike...funny how his name manages to stay with us after all this time.

"Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

And you have the same amount of people still talking about Hamlet, Atilla the hun,Leif ericson, any Greek mythology, Icabod crane, Ebanezer Scrooge or any other figure that was written in any form of literature.

and yes, I fully know what your intention was but methinks you missed the mark a bit

 

[Telephant]

There is really no question whether he existed or not.

Actually there is.

 

[amiller]

'And yet, here we are, thousands of years after the birth of Christ, still talking about him...believers and non-believers alike...funny how his name manages to stay with us after all this time.

"Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

And you have the same amount of people still talking about Hamlet, Atilla the hun,Leif ericson, any Greek mythology, Icabod crane, Ebanezer Scrooge or any other figure that was written in any form of literature.

and yes, I fully know what your intention was but methinks you missed the mark a bit

Sorry, 'musta slipped by me...where exactly is that thread about 'ole Leif?

 

[ejecta]

Yes but no one can say with 100% absolute certainty what happened hundreds/thousands of years ago Unless they had a time machine and went back to the time in question and experianced it for themselves. IMHO your TRUTH is nothing more then a theory and you cannot give me concrete proof of what you are saying to be true no matter how much research you have done.

Are you saying truth is subjective?

Im saying that no one really knows the truth when it comes to this subject

There is alot of evidence that points towards truth of this subject. They use that type of thinking to prosecute or prove the innocense of people in court all the time.

 

[ejecta]

There is really no question whether he existed or not.

Actually there is.

Well I guess thats because anyone can ignore evidence.

 

[MOAAH]

And you have the same amount of people still talking about Hamlet, Atilla the hun,Leif ericson, any Greek mythology, Icabod crane, Ebanezer Scrooge or any other figure that was written in any form of literature.

Actually, the bible was the first printed book and remains to this day a #1 best seller.

 

[Gainfreak]

'And yet, here we are, thousands of years after the birth of Christ, still talking about him...believers and non-believers alike...funny how his name manages to stay with us after all this time.

"Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

And you have the same amount of people still talking about Hamlet, Atilla the hun,Leif ericson, any Greek mythology, Icabod crane, Ebanezer Scrooge or any other figure that was written in any form of literature.

and yes, I fully know what your intention was but methinks you missed the mark a bit

Sorry, 'musta slipped by me...where exactly is that thread about 'ole Leif?

 

[MOAAH]

There is really no question whether he existed or not.

Actually there is.

In fact there were many! Jesus was a popular name back in that day, so you sir can't be right.

 

[MOAAH]

There is really no question whether he existed or not.

Actually there is.

Well I guess thats because anyone can ignore evidence.

+infinity!

 

[ejecta]

Well I've just enough time well them tubes warm up to post this...

In the end there can only be one truth, but in the mean time, people will believe what they wanna believe and that's OK.

I appreciate your post on this "Yeah but then you'd have to ignore the writings of Tacitus, Thallus, Suetonius, Lucian, Celsus, Pliny the Younger, Jewish writings like the Talmud Sanhedrin etc."

Dang if I can't find one O my fav references, "The History of the Jews." One of the pleasures of gettin' old, you can't find anything when ya need it...

Rock on,
Rob

Yeah not a problem. I used to be an athiest way back when I was old enough to make that decision up through college because I had read alot of one sided writings but I thought "You know what I need to read the other side has to say." and you know what I couldnt ignore the logic or evidence and be an honest observer. That stuff realy intersted me so I read alot and tend remeber it as it changed my life alot.

 

[Gainfreak]

And you have the same amount of people still talking about Hamlet, Atilla the hun,Leif ericson, any Greek mythology, Icabod crane, Ebanezer Scrooge or any other figure that was written in any form of literature.

Actually, the bible was the first printed book and remains to this day a #1 best seller.

Yes, which proves what I was saying.

BTW, I have not mentioned to anyone if I believe in God or not. My point is there is not enough evidence to prove anyones claim whether it be pro or con.
You can argue all you like but most of these things are speculation at best.

As far as if jesus did exist or not, that is a different subject entirely. There have been historical findings that Jesus did exist or a man named Jesus did exist during teh time in question. Whether he was the son of God or not still remains a mystery.

 

[thiswaythatway]

And you have the same amount of people still talking about Hamlet, Atilla the hun,Leif ericson, any Greek mythology, Icabod crane, Ebanezer Scrooge or any other figure that was written in any form of literature.

Actually, the bible was the first printed book and remains to this day a #1 best seller.

People actually buy the bible? If i did some collecting after all the hotels i stayed in i could have opened up a store by now.

And yes Jesus does exist, he works at the loading dock at my of my job sites. Apparently green card is another word for the devil.

 

[MOAAH]

Thanks for sharing,
My story is very much the same, the more I read the more things make sense. The more I listened to other folks, the more confused all the issues became. One thing is true for me in a big way, I never really hate anyone! I may play at times like I do, but really I love life and all of creation, even all those lit'l AHs out there. I guess one scripture that caught my eye was how we should hate what people do, and not the people themselves...

Peace,
Rob

 

[JamesPeters]

I never really hate anyone! I may play at times like I do, but really I love life and all of creation, even all those lit'l AHs out there.

Indeed.