fortin evil pumpkin, seems like a really good deal (ie price

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aaayyy ooohhhh, here it is, proof coming up - grind and girth, bite cal circuits in the closeup, etc., etc., 10 pics to start with, many more ready to go. Blowin this wide open. Call bs on the board copywrite !!!!!!!!!!!!

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hey hot damn, were have i seen this before, hhhmm, buy me a beer when am in town

study it brothers if you want a fortin sauce ( outta of a can )... but remember who the creator is ! ;) ( fresh outta of the garden )
 
This is nausea enducing.

Childish attacks are getting old.

I will never own a Fortin or a Larry, I can't justify the cost tbh.

As far as the advice people are giving Larry, it's his business. Life is not about money. I am sure Larry could build more if he wanted to.

Personally, I could make more money if I wanted to, but I don't. Money is not everything. I like to be able to have free time to play guitar a few hours a day and spend time with my daughter and family. So on a side note, I respect a man who doesn't grind his life away and does other things.

The only thing that I have learned from this thread is that with the PR that is going on with engage757 I would be less likely to buy a Fortin. That is simply the way the conversation is being handled
If one of my employees representing my business, he would have to find new employment. Good PR is not personal attacks.

I have no iron in the fire. No dog in the fight or what have you. But this bullshit drama is sickening.

Larry seems like a decent fellow. I think he probably did get screwed. Do I know? No. So I will not comment on that. I think he is a good guy who got taken advantage of tbh.

I think this has been beaten to death.

I realize that I have no authority, nor would I want to (tbh), but it would be nice if you could cut the shit. Or at least the personal attacks. There is no reason.

I think at this point everyone needs a few bars of Xanax for fucks sake.

/my banter.
 
swamptrashstompboxes":187ftu6e said:
Personally, I could make more money if I wanted to, but I don't. Money is not everything. I like to be able to have free time to play guitar a few hours a day and spend time with my daughter and family. So on a side note, I respect a man who doesn't grind his life away and does other things.
I've quoted only a part, but actually I like your entire comment, since it seems, that we're on the same wave.

Sure currently it's different, because due to my illness last year I have to catch up postponed schedules...
... but usually I'm working 2 to 3 weeks in a months and also then not from early in the morning to late in the night.

Life is, as the spelling says for living and not for grinding yourself and your health down with working excessively, only to catch every dollar possible, to buy things, which doesn't make you really happy and which you actually don't need. Try to uncouple you from the dictation, what the industry with their extremely clever and depth psychological refined advertisements try to push over you every day - then you'd become free.

Actually I'm a humble guy, who doesn't need a new car every 2 years and I also don't need a big house with my own swimming pool in the garden behind the house.
Anyways I'm not one of those, who's buying things, which actually are over the budged, simply to impress others, which anyways aren't close to me.

I'm working, that I'm able to live and not living, to work as much, that I can feed the economy with buying products all the time. Guys, wake up and use your brain.

Maybe it's the right time now, to tell you guys something more about myself, so that you know me some better then, but hopefully this doesn't appear arrogant to you:

I've always had good payed jobs in my early years, have been tuning motorcycles and cars since my youth and later have been pretty successfully with this. My BMW sports engines at that time have been more sought after than the ones of Schnitzer or Hartge, but I've quit this in the early 80', because from this time on the emmission's regulations successively became stronger and stronger until the point, where I'd have to invest about 200,000 DM (Deutsche Mark at that time) for test equipment, to may proceed with this business.

Nonetheless I could make some good money during these 10 years of professional engine tuning and I'm not a fool who's throwing money away by an excessive living.
Then I've had a body shop for another almost 10 years, where again I could push some good money besides. Btw I'm also master in this profession.

But by coincidence also in the early 80' I met some acquaitances in a Rock pub, which were playing in a band and just were in need of a 2nd guitar player, so since they knew that I've been playing guitar in my youth they had me, to come for a visit & try to their rehersal the next day - and I came, what's been my biggest ~mistake~ yet in my life :D

I haven't touched a guitar for more than 10 years at that time, but everybody of you knows, that making music is like a virus, which you can't loose anymore - so after my visit in theirs rehersal and trying guitar again I've been infected again. Unfortunately and this is fact, if you interrupt playing an instrument for this long time, you can't become a virtuous musician anymore - so I thought by myself, since I can't become an impressing guitar player anymore, than at least I want to have the most impressive guitar sound.

I've buyed Marshall, Orange, Hiwatt, aso. but my guitar sound wasn't impressive enough, at least not for myself. Since I've already had knowledge in electronics since my childhood any youth, as my (other) hobby has been experimenting with old tube radios aso. I've begun modding my amps - then again and again other guitar player came to the rehearsing, heard my guitar sound and... "woohoo Larry, what a great sound! Could you please mod my amp accordingly?"

Then gradually more and more guitar player had me for modding their Marshalls, Fenders, Oranges, Hiwatts, aso and also my mods became more and more extensive, so extensive that I've finally cleared out the chassis and have rebuilt the amp completely new. Also my very first own tube amp I've built already back in 1988





Then finally in the early 90' I've sold my body shop, to may dedicate myself completely to my hobby of modding and building tube amps, what then additional has turned to my business. The fact, that I didn't earn too much money in the first 4 to 5 years after I've turned my hobby to my business didn't care me much. I've already had some money besides, to may not only survive, but to may live adequately - but I've implemented my dream and this has been for me the only what matters.

I've never been behind the last DM, $ or €, hence I've built each amp the way, as it would be my one and only personal amp for the rest of my life.
Since I'm also an almost pathetic perfectionist, building an amp has always taken its time - and I didn't care about this. Good thing will take its time. Right?

Now meanwhile - sorry, again it might appear arrogant, but it isn't - I definitely could quit building amps or working at all tomorrow and I could easily survive with my humble way of life until the rest of my days, since I do have some stash of some $€ besides my NOS glass collection aso.

But don't be afraid, I don't quit building tube amps, since it still is my hobby, I do still have much pleasure while building tube amps and I even regard it as my life-task.
Moreover I don't regard my tube amps as products, but rather as my kids - no matter, where they do go later in this world.
 

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Hey Larry, since there's pent up demand for your amps and you don't have the desire to work 80 hour weeks, have you considered working with a top shelf builder? I'm sure it would be profitable for you, the builder (and their employees) would have more work, and more customers could enjoy your designs without buying what you believe to be a clone. Even if you limited it to your less complex amps (maybe single or dual channels), I'd wager it would be a success. Surely there are enough guitar players who would like to have that Iced Earth tone if it were a bit more affordable/available.
 
Personally I am 29, own my house outright. I have 5 acres I own that I will build a house on someday, have a pair of Ford SUV's, nothing fancy and choose to enjoy life. I busted my ass to hell and back, and I want to enjoy life. I have been lucky with some investments and that's why I am where I am. I live a very middle class life, and I have no complaints. I value time with my daughter (I am divorced from her mother), and I value the time I spend with my girlfriend and her daughter. They are less than a year apart. I also enjoy playing guitar. I log at least two hours a day at least five days a week. I put in maybe 15-20 hours of work in a week. I have a great life and am content (although I do have GAS lol). I wish more people had their heads screwed on right.

Larry, I truly wish you well, and hope things go the right way for you. You seem like a good guy.

Cheers!
 
indespise":1kuie87t said:
Hey Larry, since there's pent up demand for your amps and you don't have the desire to work 80 hour weeks, have you considered working with a top shelf builder? I'm sure it would be profitable for you, the builder (and their employees) would have more work, and more customers could enjoy your designs without buying what you believe to be a clone. Even if you limited it to your less complex amps (maybe single or dual channels), I'd wager it would be a success. Surely there are enough guitar players who would like to have that Iced Earth tone if it were a bit more affordable/available.

That could be a cool thing. But there are a whole slew of new issues that come with that. Personally in business I have done that and while the money can be great, it Can turn into a massive headache.

But I must say I would love to be able to afford a Larry for sure - one that he receives proper royalties for.
 
indespise":bapxyn7g said:
Hey Larry, since there's pent up demand for your amps and you don't have the desire to work 80 hour weeks, have you considered working with a top shelf builder? I'm sure it would be profitable for you, the builder (and their employees) would have more work, and more customers could enjoy your designs without buying what you believe to be a clone. Even if you limited it to your less complex amps (maybe single or dual channels), I'd wager it would be a success. Surely there are enough guitar players who would like to have that Iced Earth tone if it were a bit more affordable/available.
Hey indespise, thank you for your offer.
The short answer is no.

Here the more extensive answer:
I get offers like yours every now and then. I get offers of skilled people, asking for be trained and working for me - and I get offers of students, asking for an internship for no or less money, but I refuse all. The reason is, that I'm not trying to be profitable or enhance my profit - the most important thing for me is, to keep my pleasure by building amps and to keep my unrestricted freedom.

Sometimes I get out of bed at 7 am, sometimes first at 11 am. Sometimes I go to bed at midnight, sometimes first in the morning at 6 am.
Sometimes I'm working on my amps 12 hours a day and this 3 days in a row, sometimes I don't work at all 3 days in a row.
As soon as even only one other person is involved in my business, no matter as a partner or as an employee all this isn't possible anymore.
Hope you understand.
 
swamptrashstompboxes":1oh99ie4 said:
Personally I am 29, own my house outright. I have 5 acres I own that I will build a house on someday, have a pair of Ford SUV's, nothing fancy and choose to enjoy life. I busted my ass to hell and back, and I want to enjoy life. I have been lucky with some investments and that's why I am where I am.
(...)
I also enjoy playing guitar. I log at least two hours a day at least five days a week. I put in maybe 15-20 hours of work in a week.
This really is admirable! I feel glad for you myself, that you got there already with your age. My age is the double of yours, exactly on March 13th :)

swamptrashstompboxes":1oh99ie4 said:
Larry, I truly wish you well, and hope things go the right way for you. You seem like a good guy.
Thank you, swamptrashstompboxes - I wish you quite the same.
 
since so many amps are inspired from other amps, it is hard for a common non-tech person to know when the line has crossed into fraudulent copying. I assume there was no copyright or patent or that would have ended this everything years ago.
Not sure what Larry wants here, so kind of anti-Fortin uprising? Unlikely as the Larry amp option isn't really an option due to unavailability and huge prices.

I want an Evil Pumpkin, but if Larry wants to put out what he feels is "the genuine original amp" at a similar price I'd love to take a look at that. 8-10k with no delivery date on the horizon because you like to sleep late and take days off? Not interested.
 
swamptrashstompboxes":3oy2fnju said:
This is nausea enducing.

Childish attacks are getting old.

I will never own a Fortin or a Larry, I can't justify the cost tbh.

As far as the advice people are giving Larry, it's his business. Life is not about money. I am sure Larry could build more if he wanted to.

Personally, I could make more money if I wanted to, but I don't. Money is not everything. I like to be able to have free time to play guitar a few hours a day and spend time with my daughter and family. So on a side note, I respect a man who doesn't grind his life away and does other things.

The only thing that I have learned from this thread is that with the PR that is going on with engage757 I would be less likely to buy a Fortin. That is simply the way the conversation is being handled
If one of my employees representing my business, he would have to find new employment. Good PR is not personal attacks.

I have no iron in the fire. No dog in the fight or what have you. But this bullshit drama is sickening.

Larry seems like a decent fellow. I think he probably did get screwed. Do I know? No. So I will not comment on that. I think he is a good guy who got taken advantage of tbh.

I think this has been beaten to death.

I realize that I have no authority, nor would I want to (tbh), but it would be nice if you could cut the shit. Or at least the personal attacks. There is no reason.

I think at this point everyone needs a few bars of Xanax for fucks sake.

/my banter.


The only personal attacks being made are on myself and Mike. I feel the need to correct that nonsense and I will always stand up when I hear blatant slander and stupidity trying to attack myself, my company and my friends. Thankfully, it is 2020, and I don't have to sit back and let a few morons on the internet say whatever they want to make up about me. If someone was hammering you as hard as they have been trying to do to me in this thread and others, on every forum, by the same people, blatantly spewing falsities, you might feel differently. I agree though, the 4 trolls that literally attack every Fortin thread need some Xanax.

Also, I'm not a PR guy, I'm an A&R guy. One that is sick to death of what would essentially be classified as stalking if it were done in person. These same several dudes attack any mention of Fortin on the internet and drag me into it constantly by name. I've even had one of these internet morons find my wife and email her a bunch of bullshit.

So yeah, you would feel differently if you had to deal with a few dudes in their basements, with no sex life or life at all for that matter, constantly attacking you all over the internet. Sometimes you just get tired of the trash, and the trash needs to be reminded how badly they stink.
 
fortin claim circuit, but is it
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crankyrayhanky":niwwaert said:
since so many amps are inspired from other amps, it is hard for a common non-tech person to know when the line has crossed into fraudulent copying.
Being inspired of another circuit and copying another circuit at 100% are different things.


crankyrayhanky":niwwaert said:
Not sure what Larry wants here, so kind of anti-Fortin uprising? Unlikely as the Larry amp option isn't really an option due to unavailability and huge prices.
I've never said, that maybe I wouldn't allow another amp builder to build my circuit or a similar one based on my circuit as a more economic PCB based amp.
But nobody has asked me for permission, not before and not after.
Moreover the infringer has claimed, that all has been based on his flash of inspiration.

crankyrayhanky":niwwaert said:
I want an Evil Pumpkin, but if Larry wants to put out what he feels is "the genuine original amp" at a similar price I'd love to take a look at that.
You can't buy gold the ounce for the same price as iron.

crankyrayhanky":niwwaert said:
8-10k with no delivery date on the horizon because you like to sleep late and take days off? Not interested.
Interesting, that you already know my prices from the year 2037 :confused:
And - would you please allow, that I sometimes sleep until 11:00 am when I've been working the night before until in the morning at 4:00 am ?
 
Imagine caring about this shit enough to make a fake account to post this stuff. Truly, just imagine that.

As they all play on amps based on something else, and a couple rage about circuits that have been literally published in handbooks for decades. So stupid. That's like buying a new car, taking it apart and accusing BMW of ripping off Henry Ford. :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:
 
You can't buy gold the ounce for the same price as iron.



Ah, but at least with the "Iron", you will get an actual amp, not years of excuses because someone doesn't feel like working, to the point you can literally die after 6 years, and still not have received anything. I'll take that, instead of hunting for some mythical city of gold in a jungle, because some dude on the internet told me he could do a better job than every person on the planet.
:lol: :LOL:
 
another pic o an original made by fortin ...... whos circuit. the way it use to be built by himself.
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engage757":1iinxgzm said:
You will all be fine. I promise. Wait until someday, you have random internet people that attack you constantly. No worries you will get it then. Same as every other company has dudes doing the same thing.


No they do not. I do not see the same when Marshall, Bogner, Soldano, or other companies are discussed.


engage757":1iinxgzm said:
The only personal attacks being made are on myself and Mike. I feel the need to correct that nonsense and I will always stand up when I hear blatant slander and stupidity trying to attack myself, my company and my friends. Thankfully, it is 2020, and I don't have to sit back and let a few morons on the internet say whatever they want to make up about me. If someone was hammering you as hard as they have been trying to do to me in this thread and others, on every forum, by the same people, blatantly spewing falsities, you might feel differently. I agree though, the 4 trolls that literally attack every Fortin thread need some Xanax.

Also, I'm not a PR guy, I'm an A&R guy. One that is sick to death of what would essentially be classified of stalking if it were done in person. These same several dudes attack any mention of Fortin on the internet and drag me into it constantly by name. I've even had one of these internet morons find my wife and email her a bunch of bullshit.

So yeah, you would feel differently if you had to deal with a few dudes in their basements, with no sex life or life at all for that matter, constantly attacking you all over the internet. Sometimes you just get tired of the trash, and the trash needs to be reminded how badly they stink.


You are the one here on behalf of Fartin trying (rather poorly) to do damage control and keep denying and deflecting customers from the truth. A&R... Please. Unless A&R stands for a$$anine responses... which is all you keep giving.

Who is building this amp? Space Ghost, Mickey Mouse, who? What transformers are in it? China knock-offs? Basic simple to answer questions. Stuff that should be posted on your so-called website. You might also check the number of gain stages this time too. 3,4, 9... so you don't deceive customers that will pre-order only to find out later that what they were told was a lie.

Until then...

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I think Moltar does the best lead dress. :yes: :yes: :yes:
 
This is comicical, and now I am genuinely interested in the Evil Pumpkin if its based off "one of the best amps ever". I am ok with it being built with cheaper parts if its less than half the price of the other option with a guaranteed delivery time.... Also morality is no longer a thing, especially in the U.S. so gonna need to get off the soapbox on that argument.
 
Mklane":1nc09yyy said:
This is comicical, and now I am genuinely interested in the Evil Pumpkin if its based off "one of the best amps ever". I am ok with it being built with cheaper parts if its less than half the price of the other option with a guaranteed delivery time.... Also morality is no longer a thing, especially in the U.S. so gonna need to get off the soapbox on that argument.


That would be a good deal... if it was built correctly, and followed the schematics correctly. Which it does not. Notwithstanding the parts used. And let alone the differences in the layout, transformers, and who is actually assembling this electrical fire in a box waiting to happen.

Fartin Amps: Make sure your home-owners insurance is paid up!

And for those that pre-order now... receive a free EVO suit to protect against any viral bodies.
 
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