Get ready to be mad... the Fortin Killer Kali module is awesome!

[FourT6and2]

Devil's Advocate: NAMM is a trade show, not Guitar Center. It's for manufacturers and vendors to see new products and network with retailers and distributors and other people in the industry. Sure, part of that experience is demoing products. But I think there are rules around volume—either explicit or implied. But yeah... don't be a jerk about it lol.

 

[Erock]

Devil's Advocate: NAMM is a trade show, not Guitar Center. It's for manufacturers and vendors to see new products and network with retailers and distributors and other people in the industry. Sure, part of that experience is demoing products. But I think there are rules around volume—either explicit or implied. But yeah... don't be a jerk about it lol.

I get what you're saying man, but it's kind of expected to show off your gear at NAMM. If he were smart, he would have handed Jer one of his guitars. I guess one "sale" was that important?

 

[FourT6and2]

I get what you're saying man, but it's kind of expected to show off your gear at NAMM. If he were smart, he would have handed Jer one of his guitars. I guess one "sale" was that important?

Yeah for sure. Maybe one of those solo licks activated some MK Ultra shit lol

 

[braintheory]

Devil's Advocate: NAMM is a trade show, not Guitar Center. It's for manufacturers and vendors to see new products and network with retailers and distributors and other people in the industry. Sure, part of that experience is demoing products. But I think there are rules around volume—either explicit or implied. But yeah... don't be a jerk about it lol.

Yes, but like you said in the last part, the way he handled it made him imo totally in the wrong and if anything was more disruptive and disturbing of the peace in some ways than Jer playing the amp loud, having a good time. I've had my share of times where I was told at stores and other places to turn it down, but never anything like that at all LOL. It was pretty much always polite to me

 

[braintheory]

About to get a whole lot worse acting like an ass on purpose in front of a video camera. I get we all have our bad days but that doesn't mean you go to a public event to show your ass.

I agree, but I got the sense he didn't know what he said was being filmed (maybe I'm wrong). My guess is it wasn't on purpose, he just lost his cool. It happens, although I still don't accept that kind of behavior

 

[glpg80]

Just because he didn’t assess his surroundings doesn’t give him the right to do that anymore than breaking the noise ordinances implied or not. The fact it was caught and his name given leaves a permanent image of his business with the module from here forward. As a matter of fact people tend NOT to act like that in public because there’s recordings and images being taken all over - just read the room. He could have asked if he’s going to wash out his booth to at least do it with one of his guitars and throw it into the video as a dual review to make a negative into a positive. He could have notified staff on hand as well.

Trust me I go to guitar shows all of the time and I’m constantly told to keep it down as well being spoiled and able to crank whatever I want as loud as I want in Madison square basement. However I’ve never been treated that way before except ages ago when my playing wasn’t all that great and it truly was disrespectful on my part.

 

[Erock]

Just because he didn’t assess his surroundings doesn’t give him the right to do that anymore than breaking the noise ordinances implied or not. The fact it was caught and his name given leaves a permanent image of his business with the module from here forward. As a matter of fact people tend NOT to act like that in public because there’s recordings and images being taken all over - just read the room. He could have asked if he’s going to wash out his booth to at least do it with one of his guitars and throw it into the video as a dual review to make a negative into a positive. He could have notified staff on hand as well.

Trust me I go to guitar shows all of the time and I’m constantly told to keep it down as well being spoiled and able to crank whatever I want as loud as I want in Madison square basement. However I’ve never been treated that way before except ages ago when my playing wasn’t all that great and it truly was disrespectful on my part.

The only person that has ever treated me that way was my ex wife. No one else has any right or reason. I'm impressed how Jer handled it, he's not a small dude, that guy Kevin could have been choking on his NAMM lanyard.

 

[thegame]

Maybe he recognized Jer as a RT member and someone from TGP paid that guy to silence him. C’mon, conspiracy nutballs, I’m handing you a freebie!

 

[braintheory]

Just because he didn’t assess his surroundings doesn’t give him the right to do that anymore than breaking the noise ordinances implied or not. The fact it was caught and his name given leaves a permanent image of his business with the module from here forward. As a matter of fact people tend NOT to act like that in public because there’s recordings and images being taken all over - just read the room. He could have asked if he’s going to wash out his booth to at least do it with one of his guitars and throw it into the video as a dual review to make a negative into a positive. He could have notified staff on hand as well.

Trust me I go to guitar shows all of the time and I’m constantly told to keep it down as well being spoiled and able to crank whatever I want as loud as I want in Madison square basement. However I’ve never been treated that way before except ages ago when my playing wasn’t all that great and it truly was disrespectful on my part.

Yeah I agree on all. I don't know about permanent, time will tell, but for the time being definitely not a good look. The part that I dislike most is that he had a friendly relationship with Jer before. That's the part I find disgusting about the behavior regardless if his brand is struggling and needs to make sales. I would not be cool with that at all if I were in that position

Now if these guitars were actually top tier, special sauce stuff maybe his behavior could in a weird way add desirability like Cameron or whatever lol, but since it's not, it's just a bad look lol

 

[braintheory]

The only person that has ever treated me that way was my ex wife. No one else has any right or reason. I'm impressed how Jer handled it, he's not a small dude, that guy Kevin could have been choking on his NAMM lanyard.

This is what I thought exactly. The only people I've seen act so badly in this kind of way are girls upset at guys about stuff lol

 

[glpg80]

The only person that has ever treated me that way was my ex wife. No one else has any right or reason. I'm impressed how Jer handled it, he's not a small dude, that guy Kevin could have been choking on his NAMM lanyard.

I grew up in a non music friendly house. My old man treated me that way. I wasn’t allowed to even have an amplifier on when he was home from work as it interrupted his tv time. I had to tune my guitar with the body to my ear. My wife knows better than to complain now that I pay the bills. She only asks of my time and nothing else.

 

[Erock]

I grew up in a non music friendly house. My old man treated me that way. I wasn’t allowed to even have an amplifier on when he was home from work as it interrupted his tv time. I had to tune my guitar with the body to my ear. My wife knows better than to complain now that I pay the bills. She only asks of my time and nothing else.

Sounds like a good strong relationship man. It's funny, my ex and I actually get along way better these days. She is now asking me to try to get my boys into guitar, lol. She gets me guitar gifts every year, saying it was my boys. We have kids together, so a lot of stuff has to slide to make it work for them.

That sucks that your parents didn't encourage it. I'm sorry man, that's traumatic for a musician. I was very lucky, my grandfather was a traveling jazz guy in the 30's, and my father was in military bands and church bands his whole life. My grandmother was a pianist, and my mom is a singer. I was blessed to never be discouraged from music.

 

[JerEvil]

This is what I thought exactly. The only people I've seen act so badly in this kind of way are girls upset at guys about stuff lol

Look, ultimately he made the decision to come and try to make a public example of me somewhere where there are in fact regulations over volume. Not once did a NAMM employee come by to ask us to turn down. I was in the moment playing as the amp was set by the guy from Synergy. It was not set to arena volume. People were talking to other BAD employees right next to us at the Diezel area.

As far as not knowing I was making a video… I’m a fucking YouTube guy at NAMM and he knows I’m there for content. He knew what he was doing and he also felt it was ok to act that way towards me in front of everyone at the Boutique Amps booth AND whoever he was doing business with.

For as long as we have known each other and the amount of times we’ve talked outside of the trade shows, he knew I wouldn’t intentionally be trying to drown out his business convos at NAMM. Again, see the beginning of the vid, the guy was setting the amp, not me. And again, not ONE NAMM employee came by to tell us we were too loud.

He could have sent someone over. He could have spoken to the guys manning the BAD booth, but no. He decided he’d come set a “nobody” straight and that’s some bullshit. Actually, the fact that we did know each other seems to have made it very comfortable for him to just come reprimand me like I was his kid in front of a group of people… as well as his customers, and that’s just not ok.

 

[JerEvil]

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Sounds like a good strong relationship man. It's funny, my ex and I actually get along way better these days. She is now asking me to try to get my boys into guitar, lol. She gets me guitar gifts every year, saying it was my boys. We have kids together, so a lot of stuff has to slide to make it work for them.

That sucks that your parents didn't encourage it. I'm sorry man, that's traumatic for a musician. I was very lucky, my grandfather was a traveling jazz guy in the 30's, and my father was in military bands and church bands his whole life. My grandmother was a pianist, and my mom is a singer. I was blessed to never be discouraged from music.

Man I know these feels. My dad and step mother used to punish me by locking my guitar and amp in their room for weeks at a time when I was grounded.

Whenever I’d be teaching myself a song, like figuring out a Dokken song or something, one of them would come by my room and say shit like “see, you can’t even write your own songs…”

 

[braintheory]

Look, ultimately he made the decision to come and try to make a public example of me somewhere where there are in fact regulations over volume. Not once did a NAMM employee come by to ask us to turn down. I was in the moment playing as the amp was set by the guy from Synergy. It was not set to arena volume. People were talking to other BAD employees right next to us at the Diezel area.

As far as not knowing I was making a video… I’m a fucking YouTube guy at NAMM and he knows I’m there for content. He knew what he was doing and he also felt it was ok to act that way towards me in front of everyone at the Boutique Amps booth AND whoever he was doing business with.

For as long as we have known each other and the amount of times we’ve talked outside of the trade shows, he knew I wouldn’t intentionally be trying to drown out his business convos at NAMM. Again, see the beginning of the vid, the guy was setting the amp, not me. And again, not ONE NAMM employee came by to tell us we were too loud.

He could have sent someone over. He could have spoken to the guys manning the BAD booth, but no. He decided he’d come set a “nobody” straight and that’s some bullshit. Actually, the fact that we did know each other seems to have made it very comfortable for him to just come reprimand me like I was his kid in front of a group of people… as well as his customers, and that’s just not ok.

Yeah I feel you on all that. Like I said I find his behavior there unacceptable and disgusting even if it's because his business is hurting. It sounds like he lost his temper for whatever reason. There were a few times I was playing too loud at times where I maybe was actually interfering with stores businesses, but was still told politely to turn it down. I was shocked to see the ending of your video for sure

 

[glpg80]

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Man I know these feels. My dad and step mother used to punish me by locking my guitar and amp in their room for weeks at a time when I was grounded.

Whenever I’d be teaching myself a song, like figuring out a Dokken song or something, one of them would come by my room and say shit like “see, you can’t even write your own songs…”

I got one better. When I did play my POS 1W nothing practice amp my parents couldn’t discern my playing from radio play. They’d bang on the wall of the house and yell for me to turn the radio off at 7pm so they could go to sleep.

And honestly that’s probably why I design, build, and collect the most brutal badass amps on the face of the planet

 

[Erock]

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Man I know these feels. My dad and step mother used to punish me by locking my guitar and amp in their room for weeks at a time when I was grounded.

Whenever I’d be teaching myself a song, like figuring out a Dokken song or something, one of them would come by my room and say shit like “see, you can’t even write your own songs…”

that's f'd up man. No wonder you rip so hard on the guitar now.

I got one better. When I did play my POS 1W nothing practice amp my parents couldn’t discern my playing from radio play. They’d bang on the wall of the house and yell for me to turn the radio off at 7pm so they could go to sleep.

And honestly that’s probably why I design, build, and collect the most brutal badass amps on the face of the planet

not right man.

 

[JerEvil]

I got one better. When I did play my POS 1W nothing practice amp my parents couldn’t discern my playing from radio play. They’d bang on the wall of the house and yell for me to turn the radio off at 7pm so they could go to sleep.

And honestly that’s probably why I design, build, and collect the most brutal badass amps on the face of the planet

Yeah man! I am fairly certain my parents are absolutely part of my gear hoarding obsession.

 

[JerEvil]

that's f'd up man. No wonder you rip so hard on the guitar now.

Ha! Thanks mate. I remember when I was sixteen, and I got my first show booked at an actual venue, I asked my step mom if I could stay out a little later so the guys in the band didn’t have to end their night driving me home early.

Of course she said “you know when curfew is…” then proceeded to ask “why are you even playing a concert? They’re not even your songs!”

Like the biggest news of my life at the time, but let’s go and kick it in the nuts… seems like a pattern for me!

 

[Erock]

Ha! Thanks mate. I remember when I was sixteen, and I got my first show booked at an actual venue, I asked my step mom if I could stay out a little later so the guys in the band didn’t have to end their night driving me home early.

Of course she said “you know when curfew is…” then proceeded to ask “why are you even playing a concert? They’re not even your songs!”

Like the biggest news of my life at the time, but let’s go and kick it in the nuts… seems like a pattern for me!

don't take that dbag personally, that's a "him" problem, not yours. Or should I say he/him