kasperjensen":seug1na4 said:sah5150":seug1na4 said:Thanks. You probably wouldn't believe how I got that tone, but I'll drop one hint: no Vox or Dumble was involved...kasperjensen":seug1na4 said:sah5150":seug1na4 said:
Sounds cool!
Steve
You LIE!!!
sah5150":2nvks9nl said:
Thanks dude!311splawndude":2gd07mqc said:sah5150":2gd07mqc said:
SICK Tone man
It's a Dumble/Vox inside...charveldan":iwrldjdw said:
From, "The Book of Marshall."
I don't think anyone can argue that that amp had a pot/switch on it at some time. My guess is it was a master of some sort - maybe some time of PPIMV. While that would certainly make it NOT stock, it wouldn't effect the gain...nitro":leqdzbvj said:
Sounds awesome man, nice playingsah5150":22kfk3aj said:Yeah, we're on the same page, however, here is something interesting. These are Van Haleny style lead clips made with an unboosted, stock plexi style amp. Gainy enough sounding dontcha think?:Kapo_Polenton":22kfk3aj said:Not that it matters this far into things but what you are saying is what I am saying... no matter WHAT was used to acheive that tone, it wasn't a stock plexi on it's own is all. (in my opinion) I'm saying all the methods we are mulling over all add gain so really, Ed was an early gain whore just like everyone else. His gain whoring just sounded really really good.. (though on live clips it sounds harsh, brittle, and scratchy i find depending on the show and period).
Lead Clip I
Lead Clip II
Steve
Since Ed was using a PPIMV in his Marshall for the VH II sessions, and then "went back to his original rig..." - what was the rig? That's right... A VOX INTO A MARSHALL. ACCEPT IT! And please don't insult the readers with the "distortion form his fingers" BS...
sah5150":3k7k7ypb said:It's a Dumble/Vox inside...charveldan":3k7k7ypb said:
From, "The Book of Marshall."
Steve
To anyone reading this, there is not one shred of evidence to support the claim that album tones of the classic VH records were a slaved Vox. There is clear evidence that Ed has a Vox onstage with him at one gig.echodrive":1m4adcsv said:This is more directed to anyone who may wish to experiment with Ed's guitar tones:
The beauty of a cathode-bias circuit is that there's no lag-time in the attack. That sense of immediacy cannot be duplicated with a class AB amplifier. Cathode-bias is the purest method of amplification = superior tone! (there is also se class A) I compare cathode-bias and class AB in the same way one would compare a Marshall JCM800 to say an AxeFX. With any digital rig, there's always a nano second of delay that it just audible enough to be noticed. This is what is referred to as a "disconnect" between the player and the amp itself. At least to anyone who has an experience with playing a real tube amplifier that is... Going from cathode-bias to class AB is very similar. In a class AB amp, the tube remains in an "idle" stage until called upon... Cathode-bias amplifiers remain in a constant "run" mode, so there is no sense of what some refer to as "tube gating". Is this actually audible? I don't know? I do know that there's a definite sense of satisfaction when I play out of a Matchless, Vox, D/13, Cornford, Snider cathode-bias amplifier!
Most of the so-called "Jose" amps are based on Ed's VH II rig. To many, there's no difference between his tone on VH I and VH II - hence the logic behind the endless barrage of "VH tone clips".
Yes, preamps run in class A - then class AB when amplified through the back-end of say a Marshall amp. That's the "bottle-neck" so to speak. So one would think that you could duplicate the VH I tones through any amp - right? No! Power-tubes pushed into distortion have a totally different tone signature when compared to 12AX7 tubes. Voltage, current, plate, signal compression all play a role in the final output tone. I told Steve that if he can't hear the difference between 12AX7 tube distortion vs. EL84 power-tube distortion - then God Bless him! It's that much easier to obtain a tone that's pleasing to him. For me, the VH I tone is IMO "the tone of the Gods"! Even Ed dropped the Vox/Marshall rig in favor of a Soldano SLO100 - and no, I don't know what he used live? I heard that he did use the Vox/Marshall rig for "Me Wise Magic"? Bottom-line is that Ed could make a "Gorilla" amp sound like a million bucks!
Have fun experimenting...
Thanks, dude - just some old clips of a cranked NMV...Rob R":1of7tnwh said:Sounds awesome man, nice playingsah5150":1of7tnwh said:Yeah, we're on the same page, however, here is something interesting. These are Van Haleny style lead clips made with an unboosted, stock plexi style amp. Gainy enough sounding dontcha think?:Kapo_Polenton":1of7tnwh said:Not that it matters this far into things but what you are saying is what I am saying... no matter WHAT was used to acheive that tone, it wasn't a stock plexi on it's own is all. (in my opinion) I'm saying all the methods we are mulling over all add gain so really, Ed was an early gain whore just like everyone else. His gain whoring just sounded really really good.. (though on live clips it sounds harsh, brittle, and scratchy i find depending on the show and period).
Lead Clip I
Lead Clip II
Steve
No. He's saying that others can't hear it, but he can, which is silly, because any guitarist can hear a difference...nitro":3v7ye8i2 said:
..let's gang up on Lynch again!No - I said; "To many there is no tone difference..." I wasn't including myself - hence the point of the post.nitro":9evwui9p said:
Steve = poser.sah5150":3a1s17kq said:No. He's saying that others can't hear it, but he can, which is silly, because any guitarist can hear a difference...nitro":3a1s17kq said:
Steve
echodrive":3gpwqnfj said: