Joe Holmes' modded Marshalls

[loudgtr]

Killer thread, I'm actually taking notes

So...to boil it down: get a rippin' Fortin Cali mod or a Friedman Brown Eye mod with that loop mentioned earlier and a lexicon PCM-41 and you're good to go

Ohh...and pick up some killer chops, if you need them

No. If you have a Fortin Cali or Friedman Brown Eye, you already have tons of gain. What you want is a standard Jose mod from the schematic floating around with the loop as discussed and a PCM-41. Joe is using the 41 as a boost in one of those inserts - you wouldn't need that with those other mods...

Steve

I believe you are right The Cali mod I played reminded me very much of Joe Holmes tone and there was nothing in the loop


So...I guess it's safe to say that Yes Joe Holmes did indeed boost his Jose modded Marshalls. I thought so.

 

[AmpliFIRE]

Joe Holmes is a friggin badass!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTD06QaeBhE

 

[Chubtone]

Joe Holmes is a friggin badass!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTD06QaeBhE

#$@#$$%^^ !!!!!

 

[JTyson]

Killer thread, I'm actually taking notes

So...to boil it down: get a rippin' Fortin Cali mod or a Friedman Brown Eye mod with that loop mentioned earlier and a lexicon PCM-41 and you're good to go

Ohh...and pick up some killer chops, if you need them

No. If you have a Fortin Cali or Friedman Brown Eye, you already have tons of gain. What you want is a standard Jose mod from the schematic floating around with the loop as discussed and a PCM-41. Joe is using the 41 as a boost in one of those inserts - you wouldn't need that with those other mods...

Steve

I agree with this although Mike or Dave Friedman could build an amp where you could add the insert and PCM41. With that said, I think A cali Mod with a w/d/w would surprise the hell out someone looking for that type of sound. I'm not saying its 100% Joe's tone but it's cool as shit lol

Oh yeah... Just call me Mr Hype Machine. I have a bad habbit of pimping out stuff I dig but the naysayers seem to neglect or forget that i still use everything that Ive pimped out

Ralph, I must have missed a thread??

 

[MrDan666]

Hey Dan!! The chick in my avatar lives in your neck of the woods!! Now go get her!!

 

[tweed]

Of course they could! Dave already said he could build a standard Jose mod with the insert. What I'm saying is that the PCM 41 would not be necessary in the insert for GAIN, which is what Joe uses it for in that insert - hence 0 ms delay... With a Fortin or Friedman mod you wouldn't need the PCM 41 for gain, with a straight Jose mod you would use it since they have less gain...

Steve

How much gain could a gainchuck chuck, if a gainchuck could chuck gain?

 

[Anonymous]

Of course they could! Dave already said he could build a standard Jose mod with the insert. What I'm saying is that the PCM 41 would not be necessary in the insert for GAIN, which is what Joe uses it for in that insert - hence 0 ms delay... With a Fortin or Friedman mod you wouldn't need the PCM 41 for gain, with a straight Jose mod you would use it since they have less gain...

Steve

How much gain could a gainchuck chuck, if a gainchuck could chuck gain?

What I was saying was pretty simple actually although not worded very well...

To get the tone Joe gets, he needs more gain than the standard Jose mod Arredondo used to do, so he puts a PCM-41 in the insert at 0 ms and turns up the input. Acts somewhat like another gain stage. With a Fortin Cali or a Friedman HBE, you have more than enough gain to get that tone so no need for the insert/PCM 41...

Steve

 

[tweed]

Of course they could! Dave already said he could build a standard Jose mod with the insert. What I'm saying is that the PCM 41 would not be necessary in the insert for GAIN, which is what Joe uses it for in that insert - hence 0 ms delay... With a Fortin or Friedman mod you wouldn't need the PCM 41 for gain, with a straight Jose mod you would use it since they have less gain...

Steve

How much gain could a gainchuck chuck, if a gainchuck could chuck gain?

What I was saying was pretty simple actually although not worded very well...

To get the tone Joe gets, he needs more gain than the standard Jose mod Arredondo used to do, so he puts a PCM-41 in the insert at 0 ms and turns up the input. Acts somewhat like another gain stage. With a Fortin Cali or a Friedman HBE, you have more than enough gain to get that tone so no need for the insert/PCM 41...

Steve

Dear Steve,

You are being to fucking serious. It's Friday for crying out loud! Quit being such a weenie and losen up a little.

Looking forward to getting tanked with you at NAMM.

Randy

 

[Gainfreak]

Of course they could! Dave already said he could build a standard Jose mod with the insert. What I'm saying is that the PCM 41 would not be necessary in the insert for GAIN, which is what Joe uses it for in that insert - hence 0 ms delay... With a Fortin or Friedman mod you wouldn't need the PCM 41 for gain, with a straight Jose mod you would use it since they have less gain...

Steve

How much gain could a gainchuck chuck, if a gainchuck could chuck gain?

What I was saying was pretty simple actually although not worded very well...

To get the tone Joe gets, he needs more gain than the standard Jose mod Arredondo used to do, so he puts a PCM-41 in the insert at 0 ms and turns up the input. Acts somewhat like another gain stage. With a Fortin Cali or a Friedman HBE, you have more than enough gain to get that tone so no need for the insert/PCM 41...

Steve

Dear Steve,

You are being to fucking serious. It's Friday for crying out loud! Quit being such a weenie and losen up a little.

Looking forward to getting tanked with you at NAMM.

Randy

Here, Let me help you fellers out

 

[Anonymous]

Dear Steve,

You are being to fucking serious. It's Friday for crying out loud! Quit being such a weenie and losen up a little.

Ah, I'm sorry man - I really thought my poor wording made it hard to understand what I was saying...

Looking forward to getting tanked with you at NAMM.

Randy

Same here, brudda!

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

Of course they could! Dave already said he could build a standard Jose mod with the insert. What I'm saying is that the PCM 41 would not be necessary in the insert for GAIN, which is what Joe uses it for in that insert - hence 0 ms delay... With a Fortin or Friedman mod you wouldn't need the PCM 41 for gain, with a straight Jose mod you would use it since they have less gain...

Steve

How much gain could a gainchuck chuck, if a gainchuck could chuck gain?

What I was saying was pretty simple actually although not worded very well...

To get the tone Joe gets, he needs more gain than the standard Jose mod Arredondo used to do, so he puts a PCM-41 in the insert at 0 ms and turns up the input. Acts somewhat like another gain stage. With a Fortin Cali or a Friedman HBE, you have more than enough gain to get that tone so no need for the insert/PCM 41...

Steve

Dear Steve,

You are being to fucking serious. It's Friday for crying out loud! Quit being such a weenie and losen up a little.

Looking forward to getting tanked with you at NAMM.

Randy

Here, Let me help you fellers out

My pants are tight...

Steve

 

[Gainfreak]

Of course they could! Dave already said he could build a standard Jose mod with the insert. What I'm saying is that the PCM 41 would not be necessary in the insert for GAIN, which is what Joe uses it for in that insert - hence 0 ms delay... With a Fortin or Friedman mod you wouldn't need the PCM 41 for gain, with a straight Jose mod you would use it since they have less gain...

Steve

How much gain could a gainchuck chuck, if a gainchuck could chuck gain?

What I was saying was pretty simple actually although not worded very well...

To get the tone Joe gets, he needs more gain than the standard Jose mod Arredondo used to do, so he puts a PCM-41 in the insert at 0 ms and turns up the input. Acts somewhat like another gain stage. With a Fortin Cali or a Friedman HBE, you have more than enough gain to get that tone so no need for the insert/PCM 41...

Steve

Dear Steve,

You are being to fucking serious. It's Friday for crying out loud! Quit being such a weenie and losen up a little.

Looking forward to getting tanked with you at NAMM.

Randy

Here, Let me help you fellers out

My pants are tight...

Steve

 

[jabps]

Of course they could! Dave already said he could build a standard Jose mod with the insert. What I'm saying is that the PCM 41 would not be necessary in the insert for GAIN, which is what Joe uses it for in that insert - hence 0 ms delay... With a Fortin or Friedman mod you wouldn't need the PCM 41 for gain, with a straight Jose mod you would use it since they have less gain...

Steve

How much gain could a gainchuck chuck, if a gainchuck could chuck gain?

What I was saying was pretty simple actually although not worded very well...

To get the tone Joe gets, he needs more gain than the standard Jose mod Arredondo used to do, so he puts a PCM-41 in the insert at 0 ms and turns up the input. Acts somewhat like another gain stage. With a Fortin Cali or a Friedman HBE, you have more than enough gain to get that tone so no need for the insert/PCM 41...

Steve

Dear Steve,

You are being to fucking serious. It's Friday for crying out loud! Quit being such a weenie and losen up a little.

Looking forward to getting tanked with you at NAMM.

Randy

Here, Let me help you fellers out

My pants are tight...

Steve

My pants were tight...

 

[loudgtr]

probably a lot of flies under there.

 

[steve_k]

Thread resurrection time.....

 

[Chris O]

Interesting stuff! I was a fan in his Lizzy days...

 

[Michi]

Very interesting stuff. Good read and lots of info on the man I alredy had forgotten (ashamed to even think that...).

Joe rocks big time!

 

[steve_k]

There's a wealth of knowledge on this site to be shared by some very plugged-in people. Too bad it wasn't collected and collated for posterity, if nothing else. Curt, Steve, Fortin, Friedman, Mark and a few others share some good info. You got to peel back the fluffer comments though to get to the good stuff. If I had time, I would go back and search and collect a lot of the meaningful amp mod posts and put them in a "knowledge-base thread" if Brad wanted to keep such a thing here.

Steve

 

[petejt]

Lexicon PCM-41 and the Roland SDE-3000 provided some of the hugest, warmest choruses you ever heard. When I think about it, people complain about digital choruses, but my PCM-41 has a warmer chorus than any of my analog pedal choruses.

Hey Curt,

I have an SDE-1000 which i use similarly to how the guys back in the 80's did... 26ms Delay with the repeats on zero, and with the mod kicked in. So you get that super lush warm chorus coming through one side of your rig, and the other side dry. Gets that huge wide tone, almost like double tracked tone.

I agree, those old Roland SDE and Lexicon PCM delays had the best chorus/mod section My SDE is actually one of the only FX i ever bother to use anymore!

That's how we did it. 26ms is the exact setting on the PCM-41 since it goes up in increments, 13, 26, 52 etc. The PCM-41 has an input for an expression pedal with a sweep that at max was X2 what it was set at. So during a lead, you could kick the expression pedal all way up and it was at basically 52ms and was just the wettest, hugest chorus ever. It sounded good on slow bends and double stops. For fast playing you had to kick it back down to the down position on the pedal. One of the main things with the "right" chorus for that tone was that when you did a slow bend that the chorus could track correctly and not flutter. Most chorus units would flutter in an unmusical way when you did that. Not the Lexicon or the SDE-3000. Another great chorus was that Rockman Stereo Chorus/Delay. That sounded huge too.

Hmmm, interesting.

I actually have an old Rockman Stereo Chorus/Delay. If you run it stereo through two 4x12 cabs sitting next to each other, it virtually pulls them several feet apart!

And yes I've tried it too with a stereo poweramp as wet/dry/wet. Take a line level signal via a Slave Out or load/line box (THD Hotplate or Suhr's iso box), run that signal to the Rockman Stereo Chorus/Delay, then wet output to one side of the stereo poweramp, the dry output to the other side.

I like it, it's VERY wide, but personally I like a subtler modulated sound. Running a mix of wet/dry signals (ie CHORUSED) rather than keeping the wet and dry signals completely separate (so the chorusing happens in the air) doesn't work- in fact you kind of lose the wide effect a bit but keeps the 80s cheese factor intact. Good for some bits in songs but not all.
That's why I'm experimenting with chorus pedals rather than the wet/dry/wet post-dirt chorusing approach, to try and get around that. Chorusing a distorted sound, regardless of being in an effects loop, post-amp, wet/dry stereo, wet/dry/wet, kinda grates on my ears after a bit.



Although just as of writing this parapgraph, I just now I came up with another cab idea for wet/dry/wet......

 

[chumbucket]

So for those of us without a PCM-41 or an SDE-3000, can I get some recommendations on delay settings for a W/D/W setup with three 4x12's all right next to each other ? I don't have a lot of room to spread out (3 Stooges reference) but want to get a huge sound. I'm using an Intellifex or a G Major.