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chumbucket":3tpczwrb said:
Well, a Rockman Stereo Chorus/Delay would do it easily.
Set it to "Wide" & Stereo. Sweep Speed to taste, maybe 0.5Hz. Short Chorus is 20ms Pre-Delay. If you switch to Long Chorus it goes up to 50ms Pre-Delay, which works well for leads but gets a bit choppy and 'bathroomy' for rhythms.
Pre-Delay/Delay Time is critical in a wide chorus sound.
EDIT: I'm editing this post to add tips for the Gmajor...
Okay, I'll try.
Yeah it should be easy to do with an Intellifex or Gmajor.
Essentially what Joe did was use a Doubling effect, using delays & chorus. There are tiny micro-delays that double the sound without them cluttering each other up, or at least trying not to clutter each other up. And of course the Rockman Stereo Chorus/Delay was originally known as a Doubler. Tom Scholz pretty much was ahead of his time when he did this in the 1970s, before modifying Marshalls became a big thing to do!
With a Chorus patch, set the Speed to really slow, say 0.2Hz or something. TC Electronic mark their chorus Speed in Hertz, so should be easy to do. When running stereo, make sure one of the sides (either wet or dry, but not both) are 100% wet, to get maximum width. The point is to have a modulating pitch on one side, so it sounds like it's moving back and forth from the 'static' (non-modulated) side. Mixing the wet & dry signals reduces the width of the stereo image.
If you can, set the Delay Time. Probably 20ms or 50ms like with the Rockman. This is what gets that WIDE stereo image. 50ms is what makes those slow bend lead licks sooooooooooaaaaaaaarrr.
Then set the Width/Depth to a very low setting, say 4ms period? Therefore the signal will modulate from 20ms to 24ms, or 50ms to 54ms.
However if you run a high Width setting with a long Delay Time, the pitch modulates like a floppy garden hose with the tap turned up flat stick- ie extreme warble. Lovely for clean sounds, seasick for gainy sounds.
If you can't control the Pre-Delay/Delay Time, then turn the Width/Depth right up, to get that width. It may or may not compensate for warble by adjusting the Delay Time at the same time. I don't know. Maybe the fact that some don't compensate, is why a lot of choruses get copped for sounding icky.
Go see Mark Day on what he said about John Albani, who played with Lee Aaron in her Metal Queen days. It's posted in the Michael Sweet Orange amps thread. He used a doubling chorus effect in an AD202 delay box, with his Marshalls. Also did a similar thing to Michael by boosting his amps with an EQ unit. But he did it before Michael.
The other thing to do which should be very easy on an Intellifex, is use micropitch-shifting. otherwise known as Detune. One one side of the signal (say the Left), set the pitch down -9 cents. On the other side maybe try setting the pitch up +11 cents. I dunno, experiment. It works better if the values are not the same. This is basically the Eddie Van Halen/Steve Stevens method, or known as Non-Cyclical Chorus. You basically get the altered pitch but it doesn't move, so there's no wavering. The thing is sometimes it can sound a little "shrill", well for me anyway.
Mike Landau probably does it the best- he uses the Detune/Uptune on one side of his signal to create the wide stereo image, but also runs his Tri-Stereo Chorus for that water ripple chorusing effect. It's all in parallel so the modulating signals don't add to each other and increase the warbling, rather they tend to smooth the warbling out. It's complex though!
I just found the old manual online but experimented heaps with it. Yeah the two sliders are basically Mixers for the wet/dry ratio- this plays A LOT into how it sounds. The manual also has a neat little mixer graphic diagram to explain it. It' has good info for anyone using chorus or other modulation effects, as it explains the concept really well. Think railways...
Is it just me or does anyone else notice in most of these clips on you tube while Joe is playing awesome, Ozzy is not singing too well at all????? 
Eric