More and more I'm starting to hate cops.

[Oblivion DC]

I used to want to be a cop when I was younger but the more I see and hear - the more I'm starting to just despise them. Piece of shit, power tripping fuck stains. And then they wonder why they get shot and why people don't trust them. If you have a few minutes, check this shit out.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7759&hl=en

The radar detector will drive you crazy.

...I suppose that since you dont like them you wouldnt call them if someone stole all of your guitar gear.

No I would call them but only because my insurance company would insist on a police report before they would even look at my claim. I have no expectation that the police would be of any use in getting my gear back. In fact I'd probably have more luck finding my gear by putting descriptions of my gear on various boards and scouring ebay for people trying to sell it, than trusting in the cops to find it for me.

 

[Telephant]

No I would call them but only because my insurance company would insist on a police report before they would even look at my claim. I have no expectation that the police would be of any use in getting my gear back. In fact I'd probably have more luck finding my gear by putting descriptions of my gear on various boards and scouring ebay for people trying to sell it, than trusting in the cops to find it for me.

Exactly.

You generalizations about the police show your ignorance. Out of 700,000 officers in the US you see a couple of examples of bad officers and you dispise police in general?

Then you make a stupid ass comment like "And then they wonder why they get shot".

Show me 700,000 of any profession and I'll show you more criminals and assholes than you can find examples of in the ranks of police officers.

Cops are human, they make mistakes, and some just plain shouldn't be police. But to make comments like yours shows pure ignorance.



The officer in this video was out of line IMO. He did have probable cause to initiate a traffic stop, and the kid in the video did come right out with a shitty attitude. But as police officers you are supposed to be able to control yourself and deal with people who give you attitude. Obviously, that particular officer did not control himself and was out of line in my opinion. I would not defend that officers way of handling that stop. I don't know if he's a bad cop or just a cop having a bad day, but either way his behavior was not the right way to handle that stop. If that happened here I guarantee there would be serious consequences for the officer.

Perfect example of the type of person I was talking about.

 

[Odin]

IIRC those pictures are TXRD rollergirls from Austin but I think that happened in Dallas. I remember when it went down though.

Happened in Dallas. Sent the mouthy drunk rollergirl back to SanFran Austin with a story for her friends.

 

[Odin]

I used to want to be a cop when I was younger but the more I see and hear - the more I'm starting to just despise them. Piece of shit, power tripping fuck stains. And then they wonder why they get shot and why people don't trust them. If you have a few minutes, check this shit out.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7759&hl=en

The radar detector will drive you crazy.

...I suppose that since you dont like them you wouldnt call them if someone stole all of your guitar gear.

No I would call them but only because my insurance company would insist on a police report before they would even look at my claim. I have no expectation that the police would be of any use in getting my gear back. In fact I'd probably have more luck finding my gear by putting descriptions of my gear on various boards and scouring ebay for people trying to sell it, than trusting in the cops to find it for me.

Of course you would. Clearance rate (solve rate) for burglaries is between 6-10%. If you think the police take plaster molds of footprints for a property crime you've been watching too much TV. Believe it or not, there are more serious crimes taking place out there that the police have to focus their efforts on and they can't launch a full scale investigation every time someone leaves their garage open and loses a weedeater.

That's what you have insurance for.

 

[grooveHT]

Think about this for a second...the cops are like the CIA, if they do a good job you never hear about it, the only time you hear shit about them is when one of them goes awry. I'm not condoning them flipping out, I'm just saying you only hear about bad stuff because media has an agenda to sell, has to go after viewers with extreme prejudice, and has to sell commercial time. How much of what goes on in just one precinct goes unheard/read/seen?

 

[Altanon]

... Believe it or not, there are more serious crimes taking place out there that the police have to focus their efforts on and they can't launch a full scale investigation every time someone leaves their garage open and loses a weedeater.

That's what you have insurance for.

Yeah, like making some of the 1,099,836 (so far, this year) non-violent drug arrests, to add to the 2.5 million prisoners we already have. This is the kind of crap that makes Amerika the most incarcerated country in the history of the world.

 

[Oblivion DC]

Look I am sorry if I've offended anyone. That wasn't my intent. I know that there are a lot of good cops out there that don't do fucked up shit like what I was pointing out earlier. But I also know that these same good cops will keep quiet when they do see some dickbag cop acting like a dickbag. I used to look up to cops and like I said I wanted to be a cop but I've seen so many fucked up things that cops do, Ive gotten completely jaded about them. I've hung out with and worked in an environment that had lots of cops associated with it for a long time.

The shit cops do when nobody's looking are the things they arrest others for. A whole roomful of cops drinking all night long on New Years Eve and then getting in their cars and driving home; cops doing steroids and smoking pot but busting people for the same behavior; off duty cops beating the crap out of a female bartender when she won't serve him anymore because of his already intoxicated state - you can't possibly say you don't have a problem with stuff like that.

Again, sorry if I offended anyone but when I see cops abusing their power - it drives me nuts because there's no recourse for the average citizen. We don't have the money for a protracted legal argument and we certainly can't stand toe to toe and slug it out in the street.

For me it's gotten to the point where if I see a case of a cop getting gunned down in the street and the news commentator says something along the lines of "this 12 year veteran was shot down in broad daylight and there doesn't seem to be any apparent motive for this senseless violence" - I wonder what he was into, and who he pissed off and/or fucked over because it seems to me that shit like that doesn't just happen for no reason at all. And I know that's a fucked up attitude to have but that's where my head is at right now.

To any good cops out there, sorry if I've offended - my pissed off attitude has nothing to do with you.

 

[Oblivion DC]

Show me 700,000 of any profession and I'll show you more criminals and assholes than you can find examples of in the ranks of police officers.

The problem is that all those other people who are shitbags in all the other professions don't have authority over you like a cop does.

Maybe I should learn to choose my words more carefully. I can't stand a dirty cop, they're as bad as a dirty priest. There is no punishment that's too severe for either of them. But when the legal system fails, then what recourse does the average person have against those who are out there ostensibly to protect and serve?

 

[Oblivion DC]

Three weeks ago I was nailed dead to right.......65 in a 30 and I pulled right over and had my hands on the wheel with paperwork ready........got off.

I guess I'm lucky or something, but I've never had a problem with cops. If I'm pulled over I just get my license and registration out immediately,...I never argue, I just cooperate. More times than not when I've been pulled over it's been completely justified. My goal in that situation is to get my warning or ticket as quickly as possible and get back to going where ever I was going.

I would say by and large more cops than not are good people just trying to do their job,...but like with any other job or part of society there are bad ones that ruin it for the rest.

If I get stopped for doing some shit I shouldn't have been doing I'm polite and I take my medicine and shut the fuck up. The cop that's busting me is doing his job and whether I'm happy about the outcome or not, I don't have a problem with him. It's when I'm not doing anything wrong and I have to deal with attitude from a cop that I have a problem.

When I was 17 my POS car ran out of gas on VA Rt 66 West because the gauge was messed up. I walked to the nearest exit and saw a cop giving a ticket. I stayed on the other side of the street and waited til he was done and the car had driven off before I approached him. When I did and tried to tell him my problem I was met with hostility and just shitty attitude. So I said - whatever, just cut your losses and get on with trying to find a phone. That POS went and had my car towed. You know if you don't wanna help a dumb ass kid who fucked up, that's fine - but why fuck him up worse than he was before he "bothered" you?

Went out to TX to pick up a car from my uncle when I was 19. Blew a tire in LA on the way home to VA. Put on the 4ways and changed the tire. When I tried to start the thing -- oh shit dead battery. The first cop who stopped started asking me where I was coming from and where I was going - no problem, I told him. Then he asked if I had any tools in my trunk that might help the situation. I told him I didn't and he said "open the damn trunk". When he didn't find anything interesting he was all "well I can't help you but I'll call a tow out for you" - hopped in his car and left. Oh yeah so 5 hours later around 11PM the next cop came up behind me. Well he actually was really nice! We talked a little and he said I'll bump you down the road and put you at an exit and call a tow to pick you up. We sat in his nice air conditioned car for a while and made small talk and I started to get the distinct impression that he was trying to pick me up. WTF!!! I think the only thing that ended a really weird night was one of his superiors pulled up and seemed to be really pissed but told him to let me out at the gas station just down the road and get back to patrolling.

WTF kind of protecting and serving is this?

 

[Gitfiddler]

Imagine if the driver was a minority. Amazing. I'd love to know what happened to the cop, if anything

 

[Copperhead]

Imagine if the driver was a minority. Amazing. I'd love to know what happened to the cop, if anything

Oh great. It's about race now, too

 

[Odin]

... Believe it or not, there are more serious crimes taking place out there that the police have to focus their efforts on and they can't launch a full scale investigation every time someone leaves their garage open and loses a weedeater.

That's what you have insurance for.

Yeah, like making some of the 1,099,836 (so far, this year) non-violent drug arrests, to add to the 2.5 million prisoners we already have. This is the kind of crap that makes Amerika the most incarcerated country in the history of the world.

The police don't make laws, the people (that's YOU) elect legislators to make the laws that the people want. The police enforce laws. If you don't want drug laws then elect legislators that will decriminalize drugs. But don't blame the police for doing their jobs.

 

[Odin]

Imagine if the driver was a minority. Amazing. I'd love to know what happened to the cop, if anything

Were you born a victim or do you have to work at being a victim?

 

[Fiesta Red]

I don't see any evidence where this is a cop. There is someone talking off camera, and there are flashing lights on a car in the rear view mirror, but those could be anybody. I'm not sure this wasn't fabricated by someone with an agenda.

Also, if it was a law enforcement officer, being an argumentative smart-mouth to someone with a badge and a gun in a vacant parking lot at 2 AM (why the heck is he there at that time of night anyways) isn't the brightest thing to do. He's just asking for trouble, and he got it. He's not a victim of harassment, he's a victim of his own poor judgment.

My opinion only.

-Mark

 

[Code001]

(why the heck is he there at that time of night anyways)

Many parks, parking lots, big areas, and whatnot have wifi hotspots for people to connect to. Those who don't have internet, are away from their home, or those who's internet is down are allowed to drive to these public wifi hotspots and connect freely. I had to do that back when my internet was down for like 3 or so days. I also went at roughly the same time due to the fact that I take night classes. Keep in mind, I'm not arguing for the way the guy behaved or acted. I'm merely explaining a situation in which someone might need to visit such an area at such a time.

 

[Gitfiddler]

Imagine if the driver was a minority. Amazing. I'd love to know what happened to the cop, if anything

Were you born a victim or do you have to work at being a victim?

Cushy life here

 

[Odin]

Citizens have the right to be public places (that are not regulated by curfew, like some parks, etc.) at any time for no reason at all.

The police have the right to investigate suspicious persons, vehicles and circumstances.

A police officer bases his investigation, and his reason for the investigation, on his experience and training.

I guarantee you that I can articulate in a report and in a courtroom the reasonable suspicion for such an investigation, and if the subject wanted to be a smartass and give me a hard time I could articulate the probable cause for the arrest. Give me 60 seconds and I can find legal probable cause to stop 99% of the vehicles on the road. If you want to have a battle of the chickenshit technicalities I'll bury you in tickets that you can use for a pillow when you get to jail. If you want to act like an adult I'll get you on down the road as fast as possible (who wants to stand around in traffic).

This was a case of "two wrongs don't make a right".

The punk went into the situation spoiling for a confrontation, with video rolling, and he got exactly what he was looking for. The law does not afford citizens the right to argue or question an officer's reasoning for making a traffic stop or requesting ID from someone in control of a motor vehicle. A driver's license is granted with the implied consent that if you are approached by an officer while in control of a motor cehicle on a public roadway that you must present the license.

Also, if an officer is conducting an investigation involving you and requests ID you must present ID or you may be detained until the investigation is complete.

The beginning of the shitstorm was when the punk decided to be argumentative and cocky. The officer, especially if he is a veteran with over 20 years on the job (as he says on the tape) should have more control than to take the bait from some punk kid.

The officer went wrong when he lost control of his emotions, thereby losing control of the situation. I have to believe that if this video is genuine that the officer was haveing a really bad day/week/whatever because there's no way anyone could last 20+ years in law enforcement with that kind of minimal self control.

Both parties were out of line.

Guess who ALWAYS wins a roadside legal argument? The cop. You may prevail in court, 2 years and $10K later, after being arrested and booked into jail and having your vehicle impounded and paying bail to get out of jail. But is that really a "victory"?

If you truly have done nothing wrong, or at least aren't aware that you've done anything wrong, then why not simply give the officer your ID and be professional. At that point, if the officer still acts like an asshole even though you were totaly cooperative and professional, simply get through the ordeal and contact the police department. Ask to speak to the officer's supervisor and if necessary file a formal complaint. But don't start shit on the side of the road because even if you're "right" and eventually win the "war" you're not gonna "win" that battle.

This is also known as "common sense" and "maturity". Some people have common sense and maturity, some people can obtain common sense and maturity, and some people do their damndest to rebel against common sense and maturity every chance they get.

 

[Altanon]

... Believe it or not, there are more serious crimes taking place out there that the police have to focus their efforts on and they can't launch a full scale investigation every time someone leaves their garage open and loses a weedeater.

That's what you have insurance for.

Yeah, like making some of the 1,099,836 (so far, this year) non-violent drug arrests, to add to the 2.5 million prisoners we already have. This is the kind of crap that makes Amerika the most incarcerated country in the history of the world.

The police don't make laws, the people (that's YOU) elect legislators to make the laws that the people want. The police enforce laws. If you don't want drug laws then elect legislators that will decriminalize drugs. But don't blame the police for doing their jobs.

While it may seem that I blame the Police, for the most part, I don't. In fact, I'm even a member of an organization called "Law Enforcement Against Prohibition." I guess the problem for me is that, if you judge the Police by the number of arrests they make, (which is, after all, the primary yardstick,) then one must ask why the vast majority of arrests are for drug charges. Apparently, busting someone for a few grams of Pot is "more important" than finding the people who stole Oblivion DC's equipment.

However, I am completely in agreement with you that the primary problem is with the Politicians. You say that "...the people (that's YOU) elect legislators to make the laws that the people want..." Well, first I'd like to point out that you, Odin, are a people too; in spite of the current policy's turning the people against the Police AND the Police against the people. My point is that you, as a Police Officer, have the ability to refuse to enforce laws IF THEY ARE UNJUST, CORRUPT AND DESTRUCTIVE.

Next, I'd like to use Connecticut as an example. We recently passed a watered-down Medical Marijuana Law. It passed both houses with an easy majority, and reports showed over 70% of Connecticut Residents favored the Bill. However, Governor Rell vetoed the Bill. How is that Legislators making laws the people want?

Not that it would matter if it DID pass into State Law, because the Federal Boys have decided that the States do not have the right of self-government as guaranteed in the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Look at California. They have LEGAL MEDICAL MARIJUANA, yet the DEA insists on harassing, arresting and convicting (in Federal Court) the citizens of California. How is that Law Enforcement enforcing the Laws the People want?

Finally, you tell us not to blame the Police for doing their job. While most, if not all, Police Departments are structured and operated as a sort of pseudo-military outfit, and many cops adopt a similar attitude, (keep your head down, follow orders and cover your ass,) you are NOT the military, and this blind obedience to "the Law" is to close to all the Nazi's at the end of WW2 and their claim, "We were just following orders."

As one of my fellow LEAP members says, "You know, when you arrest a Rapist, the Rapes stop. When you bust a Burglar, the Burglaries go down. But, when you Arrest a dope dealer, nothing changes, except for even more violence until the question of who is taking over is resolved."

I call upon ALL Law Enforcement Officers to please use your own common sense, and stop enforcing these destructive policies. Instead, do something REALLY important; go find Oblivion DC's gear!

 

[Odin]

While it may seem that I blame the Police, for the most part, I don't. In fact, I'm even a member of an organization called "Law Enforcement Against Prohibition." I guess the problem for me is that, if you judge the Police by the number of arrests they make, (which is, after all, the primary yardstick,) then one must ask why the vast majority of arrests are for drug charges. Apparently, busting someone for a few grams of Pot is "more important" than finding the people who stole Oblivion DC's equipment.

A lot of arrests are made for dope (not the majority, but a lot) because it's very common to catch someone in possession when on a traffic stop, at a call, etc... It's nearly impossible to arrest a burglar unless you catch them in the act (highly unlikely) but you can arrest the burglar when they go to buy dope or sell their stolen wares for dope money. Many drug arrests are taking property crime actors off the streets, making Oblivion DC's gear safer.

However, I am completely in agreement with you that the primary problem is with the Politicians. You say that "...the people (that's YOU) elect legislators to make the laws that the people want..." Well, first I'd like to point out that you, Odin, are a people too; in spite of the current policy's turning the people against the Police AND the Police against the people. My point is that you, as a Police Officer, have the ability to refuse to enforce laws IF THEY ARE UNJUST, CORRUPT AND DESTRUCTIVE.

The police do NOT have the ability to ignore felonies that they encounter, despite your statement to the contrary.

Next, I'd like to use Connecticut as an example. We recently passed a watered-down Medical Marijuana Law. It passed both houses with an easy majority, and reports showed over 70% of Connecticut Residents favored the Bill. However, Governor Rell vetoed the Bill. How is that Legislators making laws the people want?

"Reports showed"...if 70% of the voters want a change then it should be easy to get that change made. I can't comment on hearsay about "reports".

Not that it would matter if it DID pass into State Law, because the Federal Boys have decided that the States do not have the right of self-government as guaranteed in the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Look at California. They have LEGAL MEDICAL MARIJUANA, yet the DEA insists on harassing, arresting and convicting (in Federal Court) the citizens of California. How is that Law Enforcement enforcing the Laws the People want?

I'm not the DEA and I don't live in California, I can't really comment on that situation because I don't know much about it.

Finally, you tell us not to blame the Police for doing their job. While most, if not all, Police Departments are structured and operated as a sort of pseudo-military outfit, and many cops adopt a similar attitude, (keep your head down, follow orders and cover your ass,) you are NOT the military, and this blind obedience to "the Law" is to close to all the Nazi's at the end of WW2 and their claim, "We were just following orders."

Bullshit. Arresting someone for having crack is not the same as marching people into ovens for extermination, and if you think it is then I'd say you've been smoking too much weed.

As one of my fellow LEAP members says, "You know, when you arrest a Rapist, the Rapes stop. When you bust a Burglar, the Burglaries go down. But, when you Arrest a dope dealer, nothing changes, except for even more violence until the question of who is taking over is resolved."

I call upon ALL Law Enforcement Officers to please use your own common sense, and stop enforcing these destructive policies. Instead, do something REALLY important; go find Oblivion DC's gear!

When you arrest a doper burglaries do go down. Most crime is related to alcohol and/or drugs.

FWIW, I'm not opposed to decriminalization. I don't blame drugs, I blame people for their actions.

 

[DT1607]

wow, I not sure about the cops in america but show some respect.