Most overrated amp?

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Warren Haynes is the only person that has used an SLO for a long period of time maybe Demartini but he doesnt play out like Haynes. Although I ve seen him use a reissue plexi and it sounded like Haynes.
 
How bout cameron modded gorilla amp? Now that would be something :poop:. But Schenker did use a Pignose amp on rhythm tracks on UFO Obsession
 
Helmut, be a man and reach out to me and end this dispute.
This is in regard to the 400 euros of NOS tubes right? You got the amp correct? How does it sound? Are you happy otherwise?

But yeah, 400 dollars is 400 dollars.
 
This is in regard to the 400 euros of NOS tubes right? You got the amp correct? How does it sound? Are you happy otherwise?

But yeah, 400 dollars is 400 dollars.
Yes got the amp, love it.

Wasn’t really at odds with Larry during or after the process.

Bought replacement tubes from him after, he decided to keep the money and not send the tubes, then ghosted me.
I called him out in a forum about the tubes, a friend emailed Larry for me and Larry said he will not send me tubes but refund me in full because he was insulted that i posted the date in the forum of when I ordered (it was around 2 years later).

Never sent me the money, but says he did. Refuses to provide proof.

400 EURO yes
 
I believe Mike Soldano also had a new twist to his circuits - a very unique twist given the rest of the herd out there.

And again, I don't wanna come off as a venting prick (seems this thread is already chock full of that), it's just - say - when someone buys into a big ticket amp like the VH4 or an XTC, or a Colossus or [enter whatever multi-channel high end amp here] you know, big dollar amps capable of pretty much everything (except bestowing magically arrived at talent to said player owning such amp) only to be asked "can it do plexi?", it's like 😑

Anyway - totally off-topic but since we're here - why do all the popcorn eating gifs (aside from the obvious spacesuit one) have people missing their mouthes when attempting to eat popcorn 😂

I think a lot of Friedmans are overrated - and I've got my flamesuit on - sorry, but it's my opinion. Great fkn amps - great sound - but the workmanship and materials do not justify their prices. Just IMHO - and yes - I've played/owned the gamut of them.

I've owned my SLO for nearly 25 years now, and love it. It's an incredible amp. However, I'd still say it's mostly just a hotrodded Marshall 2203 (see what I did there). The preamp has every single stage tweaked, but the rhythm channel topology is nearly the same and it sets right in that same space. It's a little darker, a little smoother, and has that high-fi power stage, but still, same space. Then it adds the high gain lead circuit onto it by just stuffing another stage in the middle of things......and tosses (the controversial) effects loop in there. It's almost exactly what I was thinking of when I said that too, and absolutely no disrespect to Soldano. He was really the first to successfully pull that off. Marshall was trying to to switch diode clippers in/out without adding tube stages at that point, and Boogie was continuing to tweak Fenders with more stages in the most assbackwards design ever in guitar amplifiers (I own 5 of them before anyone gets themselves upset over that comment).....and Mike got that to market it rocked.

I've never played a Friedman. I've played several Bogners, and while all were nice, none of them got me excited enough to part with $. Otherwise, I mostly play mundane Marshalls, Boogies, and Fenders.
 
It’s amazing to me and so stupid the way some guys form such strong opinions based on only clips (stronger opinions sometimes than I have on amps I own lol). I think part of it is that some amps that sound huge or punchy don’t often translate as much that way in clips like the coli’s, Beta, Blueface, etc. Comparison clips though (if done well) can be helpful, but just a clip of an amp by itself can be misleading and limited in giving an idea of what it really sounds like

A related issue would be how some amps are great live, but are really hard to capture on record, while others don't really cut it live but can sound like monsters in the studio. I think it's fair to say that I like the sound of certain clips of amps, if taken in an actual studio environment (not someone's computer mic, ok) that I might not want to haul on stage with me. Different tool for different jobs, I suppose.
 
I've owned my SLO for nearly 25 years now, and love it. It's an incredible amp. However, I'd still say it's mostly just a hotrodded Marshall 2203 (see what I did there). The preamp has every single stage tweaked, but the rhythm channel topology is nearly the same and it sets right in that same space. It's a little darker, a little smoother, and has that high-fi power stage, but still, same space. Then it adds the high gain lead circuit onto it by just stuffing another stage in the middle of things......and tosses (the controversial) effects loop in there. It's almost exactly what I was thinking of when I said that too, and absolutely no disrespect to Soldano. He was really the first to successfully pull that off. Marshall was trying to to switch diode clippers in/out without adding tube stages at that point, and Boogie was continuing to tweak Fenders with more stages in the most assbackwards design ever in guitar amplifiers (I own 5 of them before anyone gets themselves upset over that comment).....and Mike got that to market it rocked.

I've never played a Friedman. I've played several Bogners, and while all were nice, none of them got me excited enough to part with $. Otherwise, I mostly play mundane Marshalls, Boogies, and Fenders.
Will your SLO do plexi ?

😂😂😂😂

Awesome reply - and agreed on all points (as for Bogners, it’s that woodsy chewy midsy thaaaang that I just love)

Hey - if we all loved the same amp - it’d be the late 60s again

Kickass post 🤩
 
A related issue would be how some amps are great live, but are really hard to capture on record, while others don't really cut it live but can sound like monsters in the studio. I think it's fair to say that I like the sound of certain clips of amps, if taken in an actual studio environment (not someone's computer mic, ok) that I might not want to haul on stage with me. Different tool for different jobs, I suppose.
Very rarely do I find “clips” at all compelling enough to bother past the first 8 seconds

They have to be done pro, and when they’re done pro, you just know. Killer player out there on YT who demos a few righteous amps - Engarn - monster skills both as a player and as a cat who knows how to capture toanz

And yes, many others - but run them (pro clips) through some decent fkn monitors and not the laptop speakers or shittyass earbuds ferchrissakes
 
Oh fuck don’t start this bro…. You’re gonna get pummeled by the twat fan boys who can’t handle the truth about their 4000 dollar amp that they think sounds great because someone said so and it’s “ LeGeNdArY”…. Not one god damn record worth a shit in HEAVY music has ever been done with one, ever. Yet, just like you said, all these YouTube clowns with their catchphrases and titles like “ SLO BEST AMP EVERZZZZ!?!?” Make all these young dudes think this is the greatest amp in the world. Sorry the truth hurts boys. Same for the 2c++++€{%{^{#\# amp.
I know, I only know of them because every time I ask what’s the defining SLO album I usually get an answer like “hey wow those deyoung transformers, shit”, I thought the deyoung transformers were a band or something but no

Wasn't the live DVD/Video of Killswitch Engage's Set This World Ablaze concert all re-amped with SLOs? Sounds pretty good to me. But then again, KSE always sounds like KSE regardless. They've also used Framus amps, which are SLO clones.

I'm not a huge fan of the SLO sound. It's rather gritty/grainy in my experience. But it's hard to overlook the impact Soldano and that amp had on the guitar amp world. So many amps have come out that were directly spawned from the SLO and it's undeniably one of the top circuits in guitar amp history for a few reasons. I'm not talking about how many bands use them or what albums were recorded with one. But about the circuit's place in guitar-amp history.
 
Wasn't the live DVD/Video of Killswitch Engage's Set This World Ablaze concert all re-amped with SLOs? Sounds pretty good to me. But then again, KSE always sounds like KSE regardless. They've also used Framus amps, which are SLO clones.

I'm not a huge fan of the SLO sound. It's rather gritty/grainy in my experience. But it's hard to overlook the impact Soldano and that amp had on the guitar amp world. So many amps have come out that were directly spawned from the SLO and it's undeniably one of the top circuits in guitar amp history for a few reasons. I'm not talking about how many bands use them or what albums were recorded with one. But about the circuit's place in guitar-amp history.



I’ll give you that on the circuit and design itself, that’s fair. But these young idiots YouTube influencers with their catchy titles saying “ best HIGH GAIN amp ever!?!?”, is just baffling, especially since when they start playing their djent garbage and they act like it sounds so amazing, when it surely doesn’t, and is the equivalent of
Them playing through a twin reverb and thinking it sounds amazing for that stuff. It doesn’t, it never has, and that’s cool, but don’t make the SLO out to be something it’s not for the sake of YouTube views. None of these kids even grew up playing amps in the first place, what the fuck do they know.
 
Wasn't the live DVD/Video of Killswitch Engage's Set This World Ablaze concert all re-amped with SLOs? Sounds pretty good to me. But then again, KSE always sounds like KSE regardless. They've also used Framus amps, which are SLO clones.

i actually have a picture of one of the KSE dudes rigs from i believe ozzfest 05 with a SLO and H&K in there. i think the framus might have been before these then im not sure what they moved onto after but i dont think they did two tours with the same gear lol



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I’ll give you that on the circuit and design itself, that’s fair. But these young idiots YouTube influencers with their catchy titles saying “ best HIGH GAIN amp ever!?!?”, is just baffling, especially since when they start playing their djent garbage and they act like it sounds so amazing, when it surely doesn’t, and is the equivalent of
Them playing through a twin reverb and thinking it sounds amazing for that stuff. It doesn’t, it never has, and that’s cool, but don’t make the SLO out to be something it’s not for the sake of YouTube views. None of these kids even grew up playing amps in the first place, what the fuck do they know.


i agree, its just silly. im sure the SLO can sound great and superbly built with the best parts but come on people lol
 
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I had it listed on here maybe a year or two ago. Had a weird mid thing going on.
I’m not out to bash anyone or anything it just wasn’t for me.
I had a modded 1987X from monomyth. It sounded crushing but I agree that the mids had something in it that just did not sit well with my ear. Props to Shea as he was a really solid guy through the transaction and his mods have a very unique voicing, but that particular amp I had seemed to fatigue my ear after extended playing. Again, I think that is a taste thing.
 
Please indulge my old ignorant dumbass..........how would "the Diezel sound" be categorized?

I don't trust videos. Sure....they're entertaining. But I'd not generally base an amp purchase off one (although I have in the past when I was younger and even more stupid than I am now).

Being an old fucker exposed to years of loud industrial noise (e.g. turbine jet engine test cells and live "on wing" testing) and loud live band noise on stages, I've definitely lost some of my high frequency hearing sensitivity. Probably the reason I enjoy and use some of the amps many of my peers seem to "hate" like Wizards, Vintage Mesas, some of the Matchless like the Clubman. What a number of people describe as screetchy, ice-picky, uncompressable presence, I find my sound.

Since getting a few Wizards, I find things like a Friedman SB50, or even my older SLO's softer sounding. I don't find the cutting, angry presence of say my MC50, or MCII KT150 in many other amps.

I've also tried a few Bogners and one of the Mesas JP2C's. They did sound good to me, but to my ears they don't sit and cut through the live band mix like say my MCII KT150.

I realize this is all uber subjective, and opinions are all over the place, but I'm asking for opinions.

Snark and smart-ass answers encouraged and expected ;)

Get yer old man ass over to the Dallas GC, try a Diezel or 2 for yourself!

Marshall Jubilee is overrated, imo. At least the reissues. There's a reason they blew em out so cheap. They suck. Actually all the Jubes and Slash heads too.

Mesa Mark anything I don't get. Except that 2C++ I played once. All the others I've owned, Mk 3-5, meh. Love the .50 Cal + tho.

Friedman? Nah, not overrated. They have sold so many amps, great customer service, in use by plenty of folks that we know about, and I'm sure some stock looking mods we don't. Deserves the hype, regardless of if you dig the tone.

Can't agree that the SLO is overrated. It has been, and is still being used by a plethora of artists. Not to mention how popular the copies, Dual Recto and 5150, were.

Is Wizard overrated? I don't think so. Never heard anyone talk about them except on the forums. Expensive? Yeah. They were well priced at $2500-3g used, imo. Too much $ now. I don't buy that "50 watt Wiz blows away 100w amps" bs. Had em here, shot em out. A healthy 2203 will blow away a 50w Wiz, and your nuts in the process. Pretty sure either of my 50 watt Marshalls would hang just fine. But I do miss the MC50.
 
 
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