Proof the Earth is round

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acceptance said:
I watched Neil respond to Terrence Howard recently and actually came to respect the guy. But this clip is not very compelling.
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That’s because he’s talking about you lol.

He’s a smart dude, just insufferable sometimes
 
Dan Gleesak said:
That’s because he’s talking about you lol.

He’s a smart dude, just insufferable sometimes
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No Dan, it's because it's a nonspecific attack, waving away specific critiques with "Entire bodies of science" and "Sufficient evidence" (Which is a subjective criteria).
 
acceptance said:
No Dan, it's because it's a nonspecific attack, waving away competing theory with "Entire bodies of science" and "Sufficient evidence" (Which is a subjective criteria).
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But it isn’t subjective though. That’s the point.
 
acceptance said:
Okay, how does one objectively determine what constitutes sufficient evidence?
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When thousands of different people from all over the world come to the same, repeatable and measurable conclusions, it’s no longer subjective. It’s an objective truth.

Not all science is objective truths, but some of it is, and the earth being round is certainly one of them.
 
Dan Gleesak said:
When thousands of different people from all over the world come to the same, repeatable and measurable conclusions, it’s no longer subjective. It’s an objective truth.

Not all science is objective truths, but some of it is, and the earth being round is certainly one of them.
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False on all counts. Since you always confuse this, I will tell you again: there is no such thing "proof" in science. Findings and theories are always subject to revision and/or nullification. Science is an investigatory process that seeks to find the best "story" to fit the observable data. Furthermore, it may well be that the majority of scientists all around the spinning ball come to the same conclusion, but it is illogical to argue that means they are correct. It could be that the majority of scientists around the world hold a false belief. But I will give you that it is reasonable to weigh heavily the majority opinion of people who experts in a field.
 
By the way, we aren't arguing whether objective truths exist but rather what is the objective truth in this case. Sufficiency of, and evaluation of evidence for an objective truth is inherently subjective.
 
And we are specifically excluding the testimony and photographic evidence of those claiming to have viewed the earth from space. That means you'll have to make any supposedly irrefutable arguments by other means.
 
acceptance said:
False on all counts. Since you always confuse this, I will tell you again: there is no such thing "proof" in science. Findings and theories are always subject to revision and/or nullification. Science is an investigatory process that seeks to find the best "story" to fit the observable data. Furthermore, it may well be that the majority of scientists all around the spinning ball come to the same conclusion, but it is illogical to argue that means they are correct. It could be that the majority of scientists around the world hold a false belief. But I will give you that it is reasonable to weigh heavily the majority opinion of people who experts in a field.
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That isn’t how it works though. That’s why I’ve said so many times to “ignore the story”. Science doesn’t create stories. Scientific research is done to understand what is already going on.

it’s erroneous to conflate something like black holes or the beginning of the universe, where they are certainly making their “best guesses” to explain it, and something like the shape of our planet, which has been seen by hundreds of people from different countries and organizations. Thousands of pictures have been taken. People have been to space, came back and talked about it.
To think every single person is involved in some coverup is beyond asinine
 
I like how NASA and everyone else involved from all around the ball is able lie to us with a straight face.

Here is 11+ hours of fakery.

 
Dan Gleesak said:
That isn’t how it works though. That’s why I’ve said so many times to “ignore the story”. Science doesn’t create stories. Scientific research is done to understand what is already going on.

it’s erroneous to conflate something like black holes or the beginning of the universe, where they are certainly making their “best guesses” to explain it, and something like the shape of our planet, which has been seen by hundreds of people from different countries and organizations. Thousands of pictures have been taken. People have been to space, came back and talked about it.
To think every single person is involved in some coverup is beyond asinine
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It is how it works and I'm not conflating anything. I'm not talking about guesses or speculation. I'm talking about how science works. Newtons Special Gravity was superseded by Einstein's theory of relativity. And I believe that is in the works of being revised in some areas as well. Both of these theories are "stories" that describe natural phenomena. Neither of them are "proven" or "objectively true," even though Newton's calculations still work for calculating the effects of what we call gravity. And I don't think every single person is involved in a cover up. I think probably very few people are.
 
311splawndude said:
I like how NASA and everyone else involved from all around the ball is able lie to us with a straight face.

Here is 11+ hours of fakery.

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Maybe I'm wrong but since I recognize that it could be faked — even without the people inside knowing it — then I am skeptical, especially given what else I know about psyops, incentives, money, power and my own experience: I sense with confidence that I am firmly planted on a flat non-rotating plane, not a spinning ball. I don't see any curvature or have a way to measure or detect special invisible forces.
 
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