Proof there is a God

AlohaCrabCub said:
Ever wonder why the only thing you cannot talk about here is the staff-run sock puppet accounts and the paid posters ?

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Ha ha. I knew you were the real PLX over at www.rigtalk.net :yes:

Liar.

You can't be trusted. You used to run your mouth over there about the 'staff-run sock puppets'. It has been probably a year since I opened that shithole site. Not sure what Rig-Talk did to you to turn into such an angry person. Why don't you go walk your property and smoke a big spleef. :dunno:

Which sucks because I genuinely enjoyed 'most' of your clips and posts :dunno:
 
AlohaCrabCub said:
haha , you will be exploring hell soon enough, loser !

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No one here ever came close to "smoking PLX" on guitar playing.

Vonnie, the only thing of PLX's you could smoke would be his cock.


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Mate did you see I posted one of your vids up there! How many brownie points do I get for that! :p:ROFLMAO:
 
311splawndude said:
So all I have to do is look around and see that the proof of God is all around me?

That everything I need to know is in a book, and therefore there is no need to explore further?
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Well if you actually dug into "that book" you'd see that a lot of prophecy was fulfilled by Jesus. You'd also know if you did your homework that Jesus was a real historical person with accounts of him from secular sources eg. the Roman Flavius Josephus. If you get past the point where you realise the book isn't fiction you'll find plenty more proof that Jesus was who he said he was and being part of the trinity (which is a just a term to describe who God is) it proves God exists. To get to that point you have to put certain preconceived notions and suspend a bit of scepticism and actually go to Church and study the Bible. Well at least in my case that's what it took. Some people take less convincing I guess. I took a lot and fought it a lot.
 
311splawndude said:
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I've interacted with you on several occasions with you and have enjoyed it my friend. I'm not being contentious, but It's not anyone's position to defend God. We aren't going to put the Lord on trial here and somehow try and prove His existence. I know you mean well and are just starting the conversation but with all do respect asking for a defense of God's existence is like a fish asking for the existence of water. Everyone is fully aware that God exists, problem is they hate Him and want nothing to do with Him.
 
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Bloodrock said:
Much easier to argue the opposite in my opinion. No religious person I've ever known has had a decent answer when I ask for proof of God. Going to church as a kid made me question all the impossible stuff in the Bible. actually reading the Bible made me an atheist.
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the contrary, it is impossible for the "atheist" to make any claim whatsoever about any single subject without the existence of God.
 
Bloodrock said:
I can understand why people would want to believe. Personally I just found too much nonsense ans way too many contradictions in the Bible to believe. I also don't need to be threatened with eternal damnation to be a good person. There are plenty of logical, viable reasons for living a moral life other than reward or punishment. If you're only a good person due to the promise of eternal salvation or fear of hell, then you're not actually moral, your just kissing up basically.
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OK, so let's get into this. You say "way too many contradictions in the Bible" (a common tactic of the skeptic). Rarely do these "too many's" result to anything tangible.
now the law of Non Contradiction states that "A" cannot be "A" and not "A" at the same time and in the same relationship. So If you understand that, list 2 of the contradictions you name. You say there are "many" give us 2.
 
what is "good" for the atheist?
what is a "moral life" ?

please explain.
where do these concepts "good and moral" come from for the atheist, by what standard can you use the terms?
Bloodrock said:
I can understand why people would want to believe. Personally I just found too much nonsense ans way too many contradictions in the Bible to believe. I also don't need to be threatened with eternal damnation to be a good person. There are plenty of logical, viable reasons for living a moral life other than reward or punishment. If you're only a good person due to the promise of eternal salvation or fear of hell, then you're not actually moral, your just kissing up basically.
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thegame said:
When mankind had evolved enough to invent means of writing/record keeping, a group of influential men sat down and then, Poof there was a God
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the contrary, the Bible is a reliable collection of Historical documents, backed and supported by the eyewitness testimony of many, many people.
 
JackBootedThug said:
Educate me if I’m wrong but most of the time when people cite contradictions within the Bible, 90% of the time they are citing stuff from the Old Testament. Which to me has mainly been about history, framework and prophecy. New Testament….that is the key. Back to the op’s question-Thomas aquinus wrote a few book reports on the subject.
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You're not wrong. They can rarely name even 1 that is a contridiction.
again, the law of non-contradiction states that "A" cannot be "A" and not "A" at the same time and in the same relationship.
Few know what a true contradiction even is.
Most of what they site would more correctly be categorized as paradoxical
 
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VonBonfire said:
That's the protestant focus. A court room for the world. Interpreting scripture using scripture except all the interpretations are either self interpretation or a rip off of orthodoxy except hey lets deny the divine liturgy and holy communion and make a mockery of it by callin git a magic trick like you just tdid. I schooled you on this two weeks ago before you dropped out of the convo. Now go chew your eucalyptus leaves.
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I'll gladly Join. Are you saying you adhere to transubstantiation?
 
VonBonfire said:
The early christians were accused of being cannibals by pagans because they truly beleived they were eating the body and the blood. So with your version of christianity you have basically denied scripture, which says you must eat of it or there is no life in you, and you have joined the pagans in making a mockery of holy communion, calling it hocus pocus and calling us cannibals. You're not actually a christian tbh.
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Actually @thumpicker is right on here. Transubstantiation is a hoax. The Eucharist is simply to remind us of Christ's work. Your implication that one must partake "in order for there to be life in you" is anti-biblical, in that all of Paul's writings in the 13 of the 27 books of the New Testament clearly delineate that it is faith and faith alone that Justifies us. Not partaking of the Eucharist, Not confession to a dressed up man, not praying the rosery, not praying to mary. In addition Jesus Conversed with Nicodemus in John 3 and told him flat out that in order for one to see the kingdom of heaven he must be "born again", not "partake of the Eucharist". The eating of the bread and drinking of the wine were instituted as a means of remembrance and a simbolic representation of His broken body and shed blood. Nothing more. Completely anti-biblical to imply otherwise.
 
VonBonfire said:
"Saved" is past tense. It's an ongoing work, not some one-and-done prayer at a random sunday morning or bible camp. I said your church isn't really christian because you deny the ltiurgy and holy communion that existed for 1500 years before Martin Luther came along.
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cmon man let's not get started on what existed in the Catholic Church before Martin Luther came along. Ever heard of "indulgences" , ya know the certificates clergy would sell after getting sex acts from women allowing them freedom from purgatory (another anti-biblical concept). If it weren't for Martin Luther the Papal authority would have been allowed to run rampant as they were. The Catholic Church is anti-biblical period.
 
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VonBonfire said:
Yes I suppose you are right but it is still the most core component of the church service in eastern christianity. Everything is centered on communion with Christ, as it should be. As is biblical. In protestantism everything hinges on the sermon. That's way off base.
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translation "in eastern christianity" everything is centered on outward expressions of faith, while in Protestantism everything Hinges on God's word".
there I fixed it.
 
Thumbpicker said:
You only think it is... I just have nothing better to do this morning. It's not that I really care what other people think. I'll put up some thoughts on reformed theology as I see it in the hope it helps people understand some of it. That's all. People who don't have much exposure to Church or the Bible have major misunderstandings about what it's all about. They can read more about it themselves if they get interested or go to Church.
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atta boy, throw some RC or Johnny Mac out there. Paul Washer or Voddie. Love me some Voddie man. I'm with ya brother.
 
Thumbpicker said:
You only think it is... I just have nothing better to do this morning. It's not that I really care what other people think. I'll put up some thoughts on reformed theology as I see it in the hope it helps people understand some of it. That's all. People who don't have much exposure to Church or the Bible have major misunderstandings about what it's all about. They can read more about it themselves if they get interested or go to Church.
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atta boy, throw some RC or Johnny Mac out there. Paul Washer or Voddie. Love me some Voddie man. I'm with ya brother.
 
VonBonfire said:
If there is one truth then anything that attempts to distort it or change it would be negative in origin. That's how you go from one faith to 45,000 denominations who all disagree with each other. In the bible satan is the author of confusion.
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brother, your slander of Protestantism is a bit much. Most of these denominations disagree on what we would call "secondary issues". Baptizing infants, expositional prayer, liturgy with regard to worship etc.. But make no mistake, they are all in agreement with what justifies a man before a Holy God - faith and faith alone in Jesus Christ. There are not 45,000 of them btw.
 
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