Proof there is a God

311splawndude said:
Thanks for all the feedback.
Yes, I was more looking for people's belief systems.
And the Why behind them.
My view is that no one is right or wrong.
It is your own personal journey and search for the truth.
I'm agnostic and only believe in the natural world.
I also realize I am in the minority.
I respect YOUR beliefs though.
Carry on...
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"no one is right or wrong"
can you elaborate? Are you saying a man who kidnaps a small child and puts him in a barrel and drowns him isn't wrong?
 
JackBootedThug said:
Nope he’s done. I was going to lift his ban until he rejoined and started shit posting. So he can rejoin… then when he gets caught he will be banned. Not sure what the logic is about shit talking this site and being on here 24/7… people are strange. Typical narcissist behavior though. I will leave and tons of members will jump ship because gosh darnit I’m special and people really like me….NOT…. Probably doing him a favor. Might ban myself as well…
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Nah, you need to stay put here👊
 
MontiCristo said:
I've interacted with you on several occasions with you and have enjoyed it my friend. I'm not being contentious, but It's not anyone's position to defend God. We aren't going to put the Lord on trial here and somehow try and prove His existence. I know you mean well and are just starting the conversation but with all do respect asking for a defense of God's existence is like a fish asking for the existence of water. Everyone is fully aware that God exists, problem is they hate Him and want nothing to do with Him.
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Yes this... They don't want God to change them they want to be in control of their own lives as their own god. I'm still guilty of that in a big way even though I'm Christian. This is why we need to be saved and repent (repentance is also a realisation and an attitude as much is it is turning away from sin because we will never fully turn away from sin) because really this gets to the heart of why we are sinful. This is also why people are wrong about Christians. They think we think we are better when in fact we know how miserable and sinful we are so far from being better we know we are all flawed and need saving even as Christians we sin every day if you know what sin really is.
 
MontiCristo said:
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I'll gladly Join. Are you saying you adhere to transubstantiation?
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We call it a mystery, not transubstantiation. We believe it is the actual body and blood of Christ.

MontiCristo said:
The eating of the bread and drinking of the wine were instituted as a means of remembrance and a simbolic representation of His broken body and shed blood. Nothing more. Completely anti-biblical to imply otherwise.
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So reconcile that with John 6 53 where we are told if we do not eat his flesh and drink his blood we have no life in us. Tell me about the blessed cup of blessings in 1 corinthians 10:16.
 
MontiCristo said:
cmon man let's not get started on what existed in the Catholic Church before Martin Luther came along. Ever heard of "indulgences" , ya know the certificates clergy would sell after getting sex acts from women allowing them freedom from purgatory (another anti-biblical concept). If it weren't for Martin Luther the Papal authority would have been allowed to run rampant as they were. The Catholic Church is anti-biblical period.
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The catholic church has no bearing on orthodoxy. Like protestantism, it's a heresy mainly on account of papal authority and the filoque. So like most western debaters you are assigning catholic beliefs, a heresy, to orthodoxy. The roman catholics broke away in 1054.
 
VonBonfire said:
We call it a mystery, not transubstantiation. We believe it is the actual body and blood of Christ.


So reconcile that with John 6 53 where we are told if we do not eat his flesh and drink his blood we have no life in us. Tell me about the blessed cup of blessings in 1 corinthians 10:16.
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It's symbolically and spiritually Jesus' body and blood. It's not literally his body and blood - it doesn't literally change substance. Those verses can be interpreted metaphorically that way.

You know full well that's the truth. Do you taste human flesh and real blood when you do communion. Now don't lie to me - of course you taste bread and wine don't you.
 
MontiCristo said:
coming from the man who worship's Mary.
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See what I mean? Assigning catholic heresy to orthodoxy isn't going to work here. We hold Mary to be above the saints but below Christ. She is the mother of the church. She holds a special place as the mother of God so she is revered.
 
Thumbpicker said:
It's symbolically and spiritually Jesus' body and blood. It's not literally his body and blood - it doesn't literally change substance. Those verses can be interpreted metaphorically that way.

You know full well that's the truth. Do you taste human flesh and real blood when you do communion. Now don't lie to me - of course you taste bread and wine don't you.
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You are welcome to your protestant claims but they aren't accurate. You protestants are all about picking and choosing which councils you will believe and which you will deny and which parts of them you accept and which rulings you will disagree with. The protestant is his own priest, his own bishop, and makes his own religious ideals. Therefore, there is little similarity of belief even within protestantism. It's like a conglomeration of very confused and misguided christians. You all have different beliefs yet claim you are the true church, which is laughable.
 
VonBonfire said:
See what I mean? Assigning catholic heresy to orthodoxy isn't going to work here. We hold Mary to be above the saints but below Christ. She is the mother of the church. She holds a special place as the mother of God so she is revered.
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There is no hierarchy in the Bible that you can know about. God may have some sort of hierarchy in heaven but it's not for us to say down here who is in some pecking order. Nor is it important for us to know at this point. Your church makes up stuff as it goes along and turns verses that are ambiguous into some factual type of church canon then you build up whole mythologies on it. Wait until you get to heaven and find out then. There are somethings this side of heaven you can't guess at.

There are some things in the Bible that are important and others that aren't central to salvation. Stop turning the unimportant things into something that obfuscates and gets in the way of what really matters.

One thing that is central though is Jesus is the only way to God. You don't have human priests as intercessors or saints or Mary.

Jesus said: I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
 
Thumbpicker said:
There is no hierarchy in the Bible that you can know about. God may have some sort of hierarchy in heaven but it's not for us to say down here who is in some pecking order. Your church makes up stuff as it goes along and turns verses that are ambiguous into some factual type of church canon then you build up whole mythologies on it. Wait until you get to heaven and find out then. There are somethings this side of heaven you can't guess at.

There are some things in the Bible that are important and others that aren't central to salvation. Stop turning the unimportant things into something that obfuscates and gets in the way of what really matters.
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Protestants have been inventing new theologies since the 1500's and Luther. This is why there are so many denominations. What's a protestant do when he doesn't like what's being taught in his church? He starts a new church. Choose your own adventure christianity is losing members rapidly.
 
VonBonfire said:
Protestants have been inventing new theologies since the 1500's and Luther. This is why there are so many denominations. What's a protestant do when he doesn't like what's being taught in his church? He starts a new church. Choose your own adventure christianity is losing members rapidly.
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Some protestant churches have moved away from the Bible which is sad. You need to careful assess their theology and make sure it is sound. To that extent I will partly agree with your statement. However there are still some sound protestant churches that are faithful. Equally though you need to assess Orthodoxy against the Bible. The church is not the benchmark; the Bible is. If orthodoxy does not comply with what the Bible says then it is as guilty as the very thing you are accusing some Protestant churches of.
 
Thumbpicker said:
Some protestant churches have moved away from the Bible which is sad. You need to careful assess their theology and make sure it is sound. To that extent I will partly agree with your statement. However there are still some sound protestant churches that are faithful. Equally though you need to assess Orthodoxy against the Bible. The church is not the benchmark; the Bible is. If orthodoxy does not comply with what the Bible says then it is as guilty as the very thing you are accusing some Protestant churches of.
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I have yet to see any protestant theology that was fully sound. The best protestant churches are basically orthodoxy minus any liturgical element or any traditions of the early church fathers. This is why it has completely decayed in the west. It's not that big of a step to go from denying long established core principles to appointing lesbian pastors. Once you have altered scripture to conform to your beliefs it's all wide open and the woke churches are the logical conclusion of heresy. Meanwhile the orthodox church has by and large rejected all innovation that the catholics and protestants have mostly embraced.
 
MontiCristo said:
Not exactly, Christ as the 3rd person of the Holy Trinity was everywhere in the OT.
Beginning right there in Genesis 1:26 "let US make man in our own image". That Us = Trinity. Several others I can share if interested.
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Absolutely and irrefutably incorrect. The "Us" in the Old Testament is not the Trinity.

The Trinity is never mentioned in the Old Testament, only in the New Testament.

Historically and from the Hebrew, the "Us" in the Old Testament refers explicitly to the Elohim.

'Elohim' is a Biblical Hebrew plural noun, meaning Yahweh (later transliterated to Jehovah) was merely one of the many deities the Israelites worshipped possibly as far back as the Bronze Age, with definite evidence emerging around 900BCE on adminstrative seals as per Elijah's account.

So the Old Testament god was just one of a bunch of pantheistic Gods which the Israelites worshipped (the Ilhm).

It literally says in Psalm 82 in Latin that Yahweh is just one of many gods in the Assembly, or pantheon of gods.

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The Jews do not believe in the Holy Trinity and the concept of the plural 'Royal We or Us' didn't emerge until Medieval Christianity when Latin had been dead for at least 400 to 500 years.

Monotheistic (One god) Christianity didn't emerge until the 2nd or 3rd Centuries CE and it was just one of a handful of theologies competing for socio-political dominance, catechized and enforced by Constantine in 325 CE at the Nicean Council which locked in agreement for the Trinity, converting pagan holy days into Christian holidays and other associated legalese.
 
Floyd Eye said:
If my kids were in his classes and I found out this was him, I would remove them from his classes.

Teachers who indoctrinate is how we got to this shit show in the first place.
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Bullshit mate.
5 minutes in my class and you'd be pulling up a chair, and we'd be having a grand old debate.
5 minutes after that and you'd be enrolled and loving it 🤓
 
MontiCristo said:
Not exactly, Christ as the 3rd person of the Holy Trinity was everywhere in the OT.
Beginning right there in Genesis 1:26 "let US make man in our own image". That Us = Trinity. Several others I can share if interested.
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That's of course reading your view into it. The Hebrew word is Elohim/Gods (plural) like most of the religions were back then, IE polytheistic.
 
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