Proof there is a God

VonBonfire said:
She was born of the same sin nature we all are but she chose not to sin.

Define graven image. Were the pomegranates in the temple graven? Were the oxen that supported the basin graven? You are attempting to pull the same iconoclast controversy that was settled a thousand years ago. The iconoclasts lost and icons were deemed acceptable.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2 Chronicles 4-36&version=NLT

We at times request the intercession of the saints and of Mary since the bible says they are in heaven and alive in Christ. We do not pray "to her".
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All Idolotrous
Is Jesus Mary’s savior?
 
MontiCristo said:
Because the entire council was in refutation to what you call “orthodoxy”.
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Actually those ecumenical councils were what established orthodoxy, no refuted it. The heresies came after the 4th council when the copts departed. Most of the protestant heresies you'll bring up in this thread were addressed over a 1000 years ago in those councils. The theotokos, icons, the trinity. Most of what constitutes orthodox theology is what the better protestant churches will hold fast to you just miss the traditions of the first 200 years.
 
VonBonfire said:
It's extremely unchristian of you to say that something that was the core of the christian service for over 1500 years is somehow "weird and creepy". It's a sacrament. You still have John 6:53 to deal with which says that unless you eat of his body and drink of his blood you have no life in you.
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On the contrary it’s completely unchristian of you to

Twist scripture to fit your ideology
Imply Mary was sinless (nowhere in scripture is this affirmed)
“Call upon Mary to intercede “ - also nowhere in the Bible.

Sorry man, your entire foundation is ideological. Not biblical
 
MontiCristo said:
All Idolotrous
Is Jesus Mary’s savior?
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So the temple furnishings were idolatrous though it was God who gave the command to construct the tabernacle? No doubt you've no family photos nor decorations anywhere in your house either, right? "Graven images".

Yes, Christ is the savior of Mary and everyone else.

As I just said, you are bringing up heresies settled thousands of years ago. Meaning, misguided types like yourself were making these junk claims way back then. Nothing you've come up with is new.
 
MontiCristo said:
On the contrary it’s completely unchristian of you to

Twist scripture to fit your ideology
Imply Mary was sinless (nowhere in scripture is this affirmed)
“Call upon Mary to intercede “ - also nowhere in the Bible.

Sorry man, your entire foundation is ideological. Not biblical
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They think and Vonbonfire has also said that the foundation is their church and essentially the Bible comes second.

That's very "Catholic" when you think about it.
 
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VonBonfire said:
This is why Paul says:

For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when He was betrayed took bread, and when He had given thanks, He broke it, and said, “This is My body which is broken for you. Do this in remembrance of Me.” In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. Do this, as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death, until He comes. Whoever, therefore, eats the bread and drinks the cup in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord (1 Cor 11.23–26).
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Correct you “proclaim” the Lords death. Not you “ingest him”.

Communion is a symbolic representation of Christs death and apart from His death we have no forgiveness of Sins or fellowship with Him. When He was sitting at that table He didn’t turn into bread and wine man.

It’s bananas
 
VonBonfire said:
So the temple furnishings were idolatrous though it was God who gave the command to construct the tabernacle? No doubt you've no family photos nor decorations anywhere in your house either, right? "Graven images".

Yes, Christ is the savior of Mary and everyone else.

As I just said, you are bringing up heresies settled thousands of years ago. Meaning, misguided types like yourself were making these junk claims way back then. Nothing you've come up with is new.
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Ok so if Mary was sinless why would she need a savior.

Absolutely blasphemy to imply anyone other than Christ was sinless.
 
MontiCristo said:
Imply Mary was sinless (nowhere in scripture is this affirmed)
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So a sinful woman gave birth to Christ? See, that is what every heretical protestant states and it's a repackaging of vile accusations like she was a whore who slept with roman soldiers and became impregnated. What you are implying really isn't any different. That she was just some common ho bag off the street. . The age of responsibility for one's actions in Judaism is 12 for girls. She has Christ at 13. It was entirely possible for her to live sin free for a year and that is what holy tradition states.
 
Thumbpicker said:
They think and Vonbonfire has also said that the foundation is their church and essentially the Bible comes second.
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Tradition and scripture are intrinsically intertwined in orthodoxy. You toss out tradition, violating scripture BTW, and attempt to self interpret everything which is why two protestants cannot hardly agree on a single faith article and every protestant church concocts it's own "statement of faith".
 
VonBonfire said:
So a sinful woman gave birth to Christ? See, that is what every heretical protestant states and it's a repackaging of vile accusations like she was a whore who slept with roman soldiers and became impregnated. What you are implying really isn't any different. That she was just some common ho bag off the street. . The age of responsibility for one's in Judaism is 12 for girls. She has Christ at 13. It was entirely possible for her to live sin free for a year and that is what holy tradition states.
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No she wasn’t impregnated by a man numnutz. She was conceived by the Holy Spirit. As scripture says.

You already contradicted yourself by saying she was sinless, but Christ was her savior. You’re misguided man
 
VonBonfire said:
Tradition and scripture are intrinsically intertwined in orthodoxy. You toss out tradition, violating scripture BTW, and attempt to self interpret everything which is why two protestants cannot hardly agree on a single faith article and every protestant church concocts it's own "statement of faith".
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We violate scripture?
Ok show us in the text where Mary was sinless? And we are to “call upon her”.
 
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